Feb 6 2008, 06:56 PM
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Alright, so here's the thing. I started a thread last week on how to build a TM, that helps against what I had thought the inherent weaknesses of the TM are. However, over the week there've been many responses, and most of them I understood, and some I did not. And it made me ponder, do I actually KNOW what the inherent weaknesses to the TM are, compared to cybered Hackers...and what're the best ways to overcome these. I'm looking for a Good Hacker, and a Fair, if not Good Rigger. I know, I know, a tall order. Here's the reasons I thought that TMs had problems.
Problems No cyber advantage. -The TM has no way of physically storing data that it hacks. HUGE investment of Karma for skills, as well as Resonance rating. -Whereas the Hacker uses nyuen for new programs, and abilities (like storage, additional DP's, and such) the TM has to use Karma. No Matrix Condition. -TM's use their Physical Condition, instead of Matrix. Thus the need for a higher body, for more boxes. Reliant upon Sprites. -The TM's greatest strength is in its Sprites. However, each time you compile, you have to resist Fading. That, and compiling a sprite takes a good amount of time. Limited Dicepools. - I don't know if I'm missing something, but I'm just having a hard time seeing how a TM can compete with a Hacker in dicepools for Matrix tasks. Limited use "Meatside." - With all the Karma costs associated with getting a TM up, its hard to allocate karma for skills and attributes needed for "meatside" operations. Solutions "Burning" a point of Resonance for Cyber/Bio. -From a fluff perspective, i REALLY don't like this option, but it may be the only one. However, I'm not sure what's the best combo, choices. Best bang for the buck. Overspecialization -Definately a viable choice, but leaves you lacking on the meatside. That, and is still tricky to pull off. Unless I've missed something. Threading -Using threading with a complex form you already know, you can increase your CF's rating by the amount of hits you get. Sprite Tasks. -You can use a task, for the Sprite to assist, adding its rating in DP. Re-registering Sprites. -You can have (charisma) in registered sprites. And continually re-register them during downtime. Houserule. -Suggested at letting TM's buy CF's at resonance like Mages buy spells. Cost would be 5 Karma. Storage Devices. -A TM, or a sprite, can just wirelessly transfer the data to whatever storage device he'd like. That's all I've got. If anyone has any other disadvantages that I missed, or Solutions, I'd LOVE to hear them. I'm fascinated by the TM, and am just trying to learn as much as I can about making mine a fluid, viable character. This post has been edited by Redjack: Feb 8 2008, 08:42 PM
Reason for edit: Flagged as an SR4 topic
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Brol_The_Mighty Techno's....I thought I knew Feb 6 2008, 06:56 PM
raverbane QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 01:5... Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM
Whipstitch N/M, I missed a rather crucial piece of informatio... Feb 6 2008, 08:06 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 07:5... Feb 6 2008, 08:27 PM
djinni QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 02:5... Feb 6 2008, 08:37 PM
raverbane QUOTE (djinni @ Feb 6 2008, 03:37 PM) has... Feb 6 2008, 08:56 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable Thought of it, but as stated above, completely unn... Feb 6 2008, 08:41 PM
Blade The TM can store data quite easily. He just has to... Feb 6 2008, 08:52 PM
Brol_The_Mighty Isn't there a downside to re-registering a spr... Feb 6 2008, 08:53 PM
Dashifen QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 02:5... Feb 6 2008, 08:58 PM
raverbane QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 03:5... Feb 6 2008, 09:01 PM
Aaron QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 6 2008, 12:5... Feb 6 2008, 09:25 PM
nathanross I guess nows as good a time as ever to try to fix ... Feb 6 2008, 11:09 PM
hobgoblin nothing like "crap, that file is in my other ... Feb 6 2008, 11:12 PM
Whipstitch I think what TMs needed more than anything was a d... Feb 6 2008, 11:17 PM
hobgoblin didnt someone make a post ones about the TM only n... Feb 6 2008, 11:25 PM
nathanross That is true, there are a few that you can avoid, ... Feb 6 2008, 11:41 PM
Brol_The_Mighty No idea Feb 6 2008, 11:43 PM
hobgoblin so dont go that hard, call a sprite and thread it ... Feb 6 2008, 11:43 PM
Brol_The_Mighty Wouldn't that just be admitting defeat, and ke... Feb 6 2008, 11:52 PM
hobgoblin i dont see it admitting defeat, i see it as the TM... Feb 6 2008, 11:59 PM
nathanross QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 6 2008, 06:59 PM) ... Feb 7 2008, 12:40 AM
Brol_The_Mighty All of the TM's "unique" abilities, ... Feb 7 2008, 12:21 AM
Jaid i will freely agree that the TM's echoes (exce... Feb 7 2008, 12:45 AM
hobgoblin thanks jaid, i was starting to wonder if i had mis... Feb 7 2008, 12:56 AM
Whipstitch If you want the Matrix to be more all-encompassing... Feb 7 2008, 12:59 AM
Cthulhudreams QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 6 2008, 08:59 PM)... Feb 8 2008, 02:53 AM
nathanross Brol actually classified this better than I did:
... Feb 7 2008, 07:46 AM
Konsaki QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 7 2008, 02:46 AM)... Feb 7 2008, 12:25 PM
Ryu Technomancers are a bit special within the RAW mat... Feb 7 2008, 12:16 PM
Konsaki QUOTE (Ryu @ Feb 7 2008, 07:16 AM) I thin... Feb 7 2008, 12:30 PM
Ryu QUOTE (Konsaki @ Feb 7 2008, 01:30 PM) Th... Feb 7 2008, 01:29 PM
Ustio QUOTE (Ryu @ Feb 7 2008, 08:16 AM) The st... Feb 7 2008, 12:37 PM
Malicant So, threading is da shitz and technos can run arou... Feb 7 2008, 01:45 PM
Ryu Threading is +2 for free, the sprite power of ... Feb 7 2008, 01:51 PM
darthmord Question on TMs...
Couldn't they just hang ou... Feb 7 2008, 03:03 PM
Nightwalker450 As far as I've understood the matrix, anybody ... Feb 7 2008, 03:13 PM
Nightwalker450 Everyone has pointed out lots of flaws but there a... Feb 7 2008, 03:32 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable Oh, and another fun tactic if the team has a mage ... Feb 7 2008, 05:11 PM
hobgoblin how about a rigger cocoon on a segway? Feb 7 2008, 08:58 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 7 2008, 09:58 PM) ... Feb 7 2008, 09:01 PM
hobgoblin ah yes, forgot about that. still, isnt that what t... Feb 7 2008, 09:13 PM
nathanross Werent these TM's normal people before they ha... Feb 7 2008, 09:49 PM
nathanross As I said before, Technomancers are only about 5 y... Feb 8 2008, 04:14 AM
Jaid just a side note, with the new PMVs in arsenal and... Feb 8 2008, 04:18 AM
nathanross What Im saying is.......... They shouldn't HAV... Feb 8 2008, 04:32 AM
Ryu QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 8 2008, 05:32 AM)... Feb 8 2008, 01:02 PM
hobgoblin i wonder, can a machine sprite diagnose a smartgun... Feb 8 2008, 05:24 AM
Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 8 2008, 05:24 AM) ... Feb 8 2008, 04:42 PM
The Monk One of the things that frustrated me about SR3 was... Feb 8 2008, 07:26 AM
Dashifen How would you suggest going about this disconnect,... Feb 8 2008, 02:08 PM
Ryu You can base all matrix attributes on Resonance. S... Feb 8 2008, 02:53 PM
swirler since this is a TM thread its as good a place as a... Feb 8 2008, 04:57 PM
Malicant Mine does. It's a nice front. Feb 8 2008, 05:00 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable Like the guy with type-O organs, being a technoman... Feb 8 2008, 05:16 PM
Malicant At least the Type-Owen will have a quick, painless... Feb 8 2008, 05:18 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 8 2008, 12:18 PM) A... Feb 8 2008, 05:28 PM
Mr. Unpronounceable AFAIK, there's no regeneration spells in SR4. ... Feb 8 2008, 05:44 PM
darthmord QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 8 2008, 12... Feb 8 2008, 06:20 PM
Moon-Hawk Hmmm, with a high-power heal backing you up, I won... Feb 8 2008, 06:26 PM
Ryu QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 8 2008, 07:26... Feb 8 2008, 08:50 PM
Malicant I'm pretty sure Heal is intended to close woun... Feb 8 2008, 06:36 PM
swirler in our old SR1 campaign the gm had a spell an enem... Feb 8 2008, 06:43 PM
Nightwalker450 I'll add this realization of another Bonus her... Feb 8 2008, 08:37 PM
Malicant Pesky egocentric shapeshifters. As if they needed ... Feb 8 2008, 09:16 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 9 2008, 08:16 AM) A... Feb 8 2008, 09:39 PM
Malicant One metamagic is cheapter than Submersion+Resonanc... Feb 8 2008, 09:53 PM
nathanross While going off topic, the fact that we are discus... Feb 9 2008, 01:58 AM
Malicant I even think the TM is more karma draining, since ... Feb 9 2008, 02:25 AM
nathanross QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 8 2008, 09:25 PM) I... Feb 9 2008, 05:35 AM
jago668 QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 9 2008, 01:35 AM)... Feb 9 2008, 05:41 AM
hobgoblin so i guess one could summarize that anyone picking... Feb 9 2008, 05:47 AM
Ryu QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 9 2008, 06:47 AM) ... Feb 9 2008, 12:36 PM
Gargs454 Personally, I don't think the problem lies wit... Feb 9 2008, 05:01 PM
nathanross QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 9 2008, 12:47 AM) ... Feb 9 2008, 08:22 PM
Ryu Hackers are not to cheap, everyone should dabble i... Feb 9 2008, 09:00 PM
Nightwalker450 I just noticed that Sprites in general can't a... Feb 10 2008, 10:58 PM
Malicant Ever noticed fault sprites are effectivly blind? Feb 10 2008, 11:30 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 11 2008, 10:30 AM) ... Feb 11 2008, 12:20 AM
nathanross QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 10 2008, 07:20 PM) D... Feb 11 2008, 12:40 AM
Malicant Actually, no. They can default on INT. What can a ... Feb 11 2008, 12:50 AM
Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 11 2008, 01:50 AM) ... Feb 11 2008, 05:14 PM
nathanross I was hoping it would be understood that I was bei... Feb 11 2008, 03:50 AM
Malicant Yeah it is. I should know.
More smileys help, s... Feb 11 2008, 04:01 AM
Ryu I am of the opinion that stealth disguises you as ... Feb 11 2008, 05:57 PM
hobgoblin im guessing people are referring to matrix percept... Feb 11 2008, 06:16 PM
nathanross QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 11 2008, 02:16 PM)... Feb 11 2008, 08:42 PM
Brol_The_Mighty Okay, so now, Unwired is FINALLY out. What's ... Nov 2 2008, 11:12 AM
hobgoblin there goes the neighborhood... Nov 2 2008, 01:06 PM
Brol_The_Mighty Lol....and that means? Nov 2 2008, 09:54 PM
hobgoblin the opinions on TM's, as just about any other ... Nov 2 2008, 09:56 PM
Brol_The_Mighty Gotcha, and I completely agree. I was just hoping... Nov 2 2008, 10:35 PM
hobgoblin if anything, TM's are even more karma hungry. ... Nov 2 2008, 10:49 PM
ElFenrir I'm sort of tempted, reading about this, to tr... Nov 2 2008, 11:20 PM
hobgoblin i suspect he would be sprite focused rather then s... Nov 2 2008, 11:25 PM
ElFenrir Probably. I'm just starting to learn the ropes... Nov 2 2008, 11:36 PM
Brol_The_Mighty I would be highly interested to see the results. Nov 2 2008, 11:37 PM
hobgoblin a submerged TM can gain some nice equivalents to c... Nov 2 2008, 11:57 PM
ElFenrir One thing I'm debating is an extra meat-pass. ... Nov 3 2008, 12:02 AM
Tiger Eyes A combat techno becomes very possible with several... Nov 3 2008, 12:05 AM![]() ![]() |
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