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Eyeless Blond
post Mar 20 2008, 02:27 AM
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Huh. I was humming along, building a rigger under the new SR rules, and was somewhat surprised to find out that physical attributes are now used for jumped-in riggers doing remote operations. Gunnery now uses Agility; piloting now uses Reaction, even when in full VR with your body "switched off."

When did this happen? And how does it make sense, especially given that:

1) Mages still use Mental Attributes when astrally projecting, and
2) Cyborgs use the Vehicle/drone's attributes.

So, um, how does that work exactly? Shouldn't Gunnery be linked to Logic, like it was in SR3? Should Pilot(remote Operation) be linked to Intuition? Or should we go further and allow a rigger's high Str to provide recoil compensation, and the rigger's Body for vehicle damage resistance tests?
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- Eyeless Blond   Riggers and Remote Operations   Mar 20 2008, 02:27 AM
- - Jaid   look closer. you use response for most attributes ...   Mar 20 2008, 02:30 AM
- - b1ffov3rfl0w   I think this was covered in the errata -- you use ...   Mar 20 2008, 02:40 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Nothing in the Errata. Do you mean the "FAQ...   Mar 20 2008, 03:29 AM
- - BFaolan   The FAQ says 'sensor + gunnery' The BBB s...   Mar 20 2008, 03:33 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Er, that's for the "sensor-enhanced...   Mar 20 2008, 12:00 PM
- - hobgoblin   http://shadowrun4.com/resources/faq.shtml#8   Mar 20 2008, 12:19 PM
- - hermit   I've said this before, and I'm happy to re...   Mar 20 2008, 01:17 PM
- - Drogos   Riggers were HAUS in SR3. Yes, they have been sha...   Mar 20 2008, 01:24 PM
- - Nightwalker450   Your physical attributes have little to do with ri...   Mar 20 2008, 01:28 PM
- - hermit   Theoretically, he could do that better than in 3 (...   Mar 20 2008, 01:34 PM
- - Drogos   True, he could be all in 4, but then he becomes a ...   Mar 20 2008, 01:43 PM
- - hermit   Exactly. And in SR3, a drone rigger would be an ...   Mar 20 2008, 01:55 PM
- - Drogos   QUOTE Is for the RuPo sail boat: You are aware tha...   Mar 20 2008, 02:07 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Yep, but in SR3 all rules for Sensor and all...   Mar 20 2008, 02:19 PM
- - Drogos   The Captain was a face (me) with 1,000,000 at sta...   Mar 20 2008, 02:23 PM
- - hermit   Sheesh, that's bad. Riggers in SR3 weren...   Mar 20 2008, 02:27 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 19 2008, 09:27...   Mar 20 2008, 02:33 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Mar 20 2008, 09:33 A...   Mar 20 2008, 02:54 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Street Sams have the chance to physically dr...   Mar 20 2008, 02:39 PM
- - DireRadiant   You still need to issue the command to the drone i...   Mar 20 2008, 05:02 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Mar 20 2008, 06:02 P...   Mar 21 2008, 01:48 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Hm. Okay, so instead of Agility you're wither ...   Mar 20 2008, 09:45 PM
- - b1ffov3rfl0w   The Response of the vehicle or drone. Which, you...   Mar 20 2008, 10:36 PM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 20 2008, 10:39 AM) Oh...   Mar 21 2008, 03:21 AM
- - hermit   Uh-hunh. So a very important vehicle attribute isn...   Mar 21 2008, 11:10 AM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 06:10 AM) Uh...   Mar 21 2008, 02:54 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Can you have a rating 6 autosoft? I thought they w...   Mar 21 2008, 02:48 PM
- - hermit   They were? Okay, my bad then I guess. Then you...   Mar 21 2008, 02:51 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Not sure how the street sam can get VR bonus...   Mar 21 2008, 03:02 PM
- - Nightwalker450   I think hackers/riggers need more ways to boost th...   Mar 21 2008, 03:11 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I think hackers/riggers need more ways to bo...   Mar 21 2008, 03:15 PM
- - Synner   There are very specific limits on autosofts, skill...   Mar 21 2008, 03:26 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Synner @ Mar 21 2008, 10:26 AM) No...   Mar 21 2008, 04:15 PM
- - hermit   It's less than brilliant to have to go through...   Mar 21 2008, 03:29 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 11:29 AM) It...   Mar 21 2008, 04:17 PM
|- - Synner   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 03:29 PM) It...   Mar 21 2008, 04:36 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (Synner @ Mar 21 2008, 11:36 AM) An...   Mar 21 2008, 04:44 PM
- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 10:15 AM) An...   Mar 21 2008, 04:25 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE riggers are perfectly playable should you ha...   Mar 21 2008, 04:32 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE They are more fun to play. You should build ...   Mar 21 2008, 04:54 PM
|- - Synner   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 04:54 PM) I ...   Mar 21 2008, 05:24 PM
- - Ryu   Rigger concept: - hacker skillset and gear, priori...   Mar 21 2008, 05:38 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I'm really not sure what you mean here, ...   Mar 21 2008, 05:53 PM
|- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 10:53 AM) Wi...   Mar 21 2008, 06:16 PM
|- - Synner   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 05:53 PM) Wi...   Mar 21 2008, 06:22 PM
||- - DreadPirateKitten   For rigging, let me ask a question: Is there any ...   Mar 23 2008, 12:33 PM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (DreadPirateKitten @ Mar 23 2008, 07...   Mar 23 2008, 02:50 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 22 2008, 04:53 AM) Al...   Mar 21 2008, 06:30 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 06:53 PM) Th...   Mar 21 2008, 06:40 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I agree this discuhttp://forums.dumpshock.co...   Mar 21 2008, 06:48 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE My current GM recently complaeined about one...   Mar 21 2008, 06:59 PM
- - Fortune   It saves him money at chargen as well, since you o...   Mar 21 2008, 07:03 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 21 2008, 02:03 PM) I...   Mar 21 2008, 07:19 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Apologies, I should have been clearer. Pleas...   Mar 21 2008, 07:53 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 02:53 PM) Co...   Mar 21 2008, 08:01 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 03:53 PM) Co...   Mar 21 2008, 10:15 PM
- - hermit   Exactly, all the more with Analyse AND an agent wi...   Mar 21 2008, 08:07 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 21 2008, 03:07 PM) Ex...   Mar 21 2008, 08:13 PM
- - hermit   Ah,. okay. Still makes sense, I guess. Maybe have ...   Mar 21 2008, 08:18 PM
- - hermit   I am neither talking about starter characters nor ...   Mar 21 2008, 10:24 PM
- - Fortune   Analyze is still capped by Response, which is capp...   Mar 22 2008, 03:30 AM
- - hermit   Uhm .. then it would be analyse 5. Might be I conf...   Mar 22 2008, 08:46 AM
- - Fortune   Maximum listed so far is 6, but higher-rated milit...   Mar 22 2008, 08:56 AM
- - hermit   Okay ... you sure? I have been explained different...   Mar 22 2008, 10:26 AM
- - Ryu   Firewall is a software-based matrix attribute, the...   Mar 22 2008, 11:20 AM
- - Fortune   Yeah, I'm sure. We've been through it here...   Mar 22 2008, 11:32 AM
- - hermit   That's a nice rules back door to at least help...   Mar 22 2008, 11:37 AM
- - Jaid   18 DP is a little bit on the extreme side for a ch...   Mar 22 2008, 10:14 PM
- - hermit   An Attention coprocessor, on the other hand, reall...   Mar 23 2008, 02:56 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Oh, and what about Smartlinks? If you're jumpe...   Mar 25 2008, 06:15 AM
- - hermit   A‚ smartlink component in the drone's se...   Mar 25 2008, 12:27 PM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 25 2008, 07:27 AM) Aâ...   Mar 25 2008, 04:30 PM


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