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Ok, so these manuvers in Arsenal. I admit im still sorta trying to figure them out and need a bit more clearing up. There's been a couple threads already on some but they didn't answer all my questions.
Ok, so first: Tae Kwan Do(and if i recall a couple others) have a Martial Arts ability that grants +1 when fighting against multiple opponents. There is the 'Friends in the Melee' bonus. Say a character with this ability is fighting against two people. I guess BOTH sides get the bonus, then? My guy's two opponents would get +1 for having a friend in the melee, but since he has that ability, he'd also get +1 to his attacks? And im guessing that this bonus would be applied BEFORE a dice pool split(if he wanted to take more than one attack.) Finishing Move. I recall this being discussed before. According to the book is says the character hits, they can use up a second attack to take the attack right there to finish off the opponent. By the sound of this, you NEED to have two initative passes minimum to even bother taking this attack. Is this the case? Or is there something more here that im not seeing? I know that to 'activate' this combo you need to have a successful first attack, but im kinda unclear about the initative pass part. Now, someone without this ability, if they wanted to split their dice pool, could attack an opponent twice in a row in one pass. But im assuming you get your full DP for both of these attacks too. Riposte. This has been discussed before too. If you successfully block or parry, you can take a counterattack. Does this require a second pass available? Or if you are lucky and parry 3 people in a row, can you Riposte each one of them? This sounds like a really nasty manuver if you have the skill and Reaction to back it up. Also, if i'm on Full Defense(Reaction + my Gymnastics Dodge + my Unarmed skill)...can Riposte still 'trigger' or is it on Normal Defense only? Im GUESSING it's the latter but im not sure. Watchful Guard. Ok, so i don't take penalties until a 3rd attack comes my way, im assuming in that same phase. So someone pops me with 2 bullets i just roll Reaction as normal in an attempt to dodge(if im not on full defense), and then Body/Armor as appropriate, but i take no minuses to these, it looks like. A 3rd person decides to shoot and i guess THEN the negative modifers come in. Set Up: Ok, Im unsure when the net hits to setup run out, if they do. Again, do i need to have 2 initative passes for this? (Fake the first attack and when attack 2 comes let em have it). For the Set Up attack, is it resolved normally (I attack, they roll their defense, but since it's a fake, not Body or Armor?), then the net hits from THAT get added onto my next attack? Im still trying to totally wrap my head around exactly how these things work. Honestly, we havn't had a hell of a lot of combat so far in SR4, and we havn't used Arsenal live yet. |
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ElFenrir More Manuever questions Apr 1 2008, 02:37 PM
Daier Mune QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 1 2008, 09:37 AM) T... Apr 1 2008, 03:03 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 1 2008, 09:37 AM) F... Apr 1 2008, 03:14 PM
ElFenrir I admit these things look a bit easier than they s... Apr 1 2008, 03:31 PM
ArkonC QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 1 2008, 04:37 PM) O... Apr 1 2008, 04:01 PM
Nightwalker450 Riposte uses up actions just like Finishing Move. ... Apr 1 2008, 03:51 PM
ElFenrir Ahh, this is all helping alot. See, i was kind of ... Apr 1 2008, 04:39 PM
Fortune QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 2 2008, 03:39 AM) R... Apr 1 2008, 06:40 PM
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ArkonC Actually, the thing with giving up actions is the ... Apr 1 2008, 04:57 PM
ElFenrir Seems like figuring a good balance is the key. Dit... Apr 1 2008, 05:09 PM
Fortune I understand the arguments, and have quite a solid... Apr 1 2008, 07:18 PM
Fortune I'm up in the air about the two-handed techniq... Apr 1 2008, 07:48 PM
ArkonC Well it is a decent karmic investment to even atte... Apr 1 2008, 07:53 PM
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ArkonC QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 1 2008, 10:00 PM) Th... Apr 1 2008, 08:14 PM
Larme I should chime in to underscore that while some pe... Apr 1 2008, 08:06 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 1 2008, 03:06 PM) I sh... Apr 1 2008, 08:14 PM
Larme QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Apr 1 2008, 04:14... Apr 1 2008, 08:32 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 1 2008, 03:32 PM) Fini... Apr 1 2008, 08:42 PM
Larme Editing a previous post: do you know how to do it?... Apr 1 2008, 09:32 PM

Nightwalker450 QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 1 2008, 04:32 PM) Edit... Apr 1 2008, 09:40 PM

Larme QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Apr 1 2008, 04:40... Apr 1 2008, 10:04 PM
Slymoon QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Apr 1 2008, 03:42... Apr 2 2008, 12:11 AM
Nightwalker450 I might be making this up... But since he had decl... Apr 1 2008, 08:09 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 07:06 AM) I sh... Apr 1 2008, 08:18 PM
Nightwalker450 Oh and FYI Defense Modifiers don't reset on yo... Apr 1 2008, 08:45 PM
ArkonC QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:45... Apr 1 2008, 10:39 PM
Nightwalker450 This is how much it gets under my skin, I'm on... Apr 1 2008, 09:01 PM
ElFenrir Well, this conversation got interesting.
IMO, I... Apr 1 2008, 09:56 PM
Ryu The system works well with "only one IP... Apr 1 2008, 10:42 PM
ArkonC QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 2 2008, 12:42 AM) The sy... Apr 1 2008, 10:45 PM
Larme QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 1 2008, 06:42 PM) The sy... Apr 1 2008, 11:10 PM
Ryu QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 12:10 AM) This... Apr 2 2008, 01:15 AM
Fortune Defensive modifiers reset upon reaching the charac... Apr 1 2008, 11:48 PM
ArkonC QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 2 2008, 01:48 AM) De... Apr 1 2008, 11:56 PM
Larme They really don't need an FAQ, do they? Do th... Apr 2 2008, 12:21 AM
Slymoon Recall, Larme, yours is also interpretation.
And ... Apr 2 2008, 01:34 AM
Tarantula Larme, your arguement rests that we should not rea... Apr 2 2008, 02:01 AM
Larme I'm not telling people they can't house ru... Apr 2 2008, 02:09 AM
Fortune Larme: Why do you come here then? Most of us come ... Apr 2 2008, 03:08 AM
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ArkonC QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 05:22 AM) ... Apr 2 2008, 04:06 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 1 2008, 09:22 PM) And ... Apr 2 2008, 04:18 AM
Larme QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 1 2008, 11:18 PM) ... Apr 2 2008, 12:47 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 11:47 PM) It j... Apr 2 2008, 01:22 PM
Slymoon QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 06:47 AM) That... Apr 2 2008, 02:32 PM

Larme QUOTE (Slymoon @ Apr 2 2008, 09:32 AM) Wh... Apr 2 2008, 02:44 PM


Nightwalker450 I'm back, and reading through my posts yesterd... Apr 2 2008, 03:10 PM


Larme QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Apr 2 2008, 11:10... Apr 2 2008, 03:20 PM

deek QUOTE (Slymoon @ Apr 2 2008, 10:32 AM) Ta... Apr 2 2008, 02:48 PM

Slymoon QUOTE (deek @ Apr 2 2008, 08:48 AM) Your ... Apr 2 2008, 03:52 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 05:47 AM) That... Apr 3 2008, 12:14 AM
Fortune I see. Well, thanks for making my point. Apr 2 2008, 03:30 AM
Larme As I recall, you didn't make a point, you cand... Apr 2 2008, 03:35 AM
Fortune If that is an example of your self-proclaimed read... Apr 2 2008, 03:43 AM
ElFenrir See,im sort of taking a neutral ground here, like ... Apr 2 2008, 08:54 AM
Larme I suggest that this thread stick to the topic (bro... Apr 2 2008, 01:33 PM
Fortune That's quite true. I guess it's a good thi... Apr 2 2008, 01:49 PM
deek This has been a fun little thread to follow (since... Apr 2 2008, 02:45 PM
ElFenrir QUOTE More power to you! You think that borrow... Apr 2 2008, 04:24 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 2 2008, 11:24 AM) J... Apr 2 2008, 07:58 PM
DTFarstar I would just like to throw in that I have no probl... Apr 2 2008, 04:53 PM
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deek I was thinking about this (i.e. next available act... Apr 2 2008, 06:45 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (deek @ Apr 2 2008, 01:45 PM) Since... Apr 2 2008, 06:49 PM
Ryu I think I like that Deek. Apr 2 2008, 06:51 PM
Fortune If you do not allow the 'borrowing' of Act... Apr 2 2008, 07:22 PM
Ryu It is expressly allowed for Full Defense, you can ... Apr 2 2008, 07:55 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 3 2008, 06:55 AM) It is ... Apr 2 2008, 09:00 PM
Ryu QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 2 2008, 10:00 PM) I ... Apr 2 2008, 11:12 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 2 2008, 04:12 PM) There ... Apr 3 2008, 12:15 AM
ElFenrir With the one IP and borrowing actions; i thought t... Apr 2 2008, 08:15 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 2 2008, 03:15 PM) W... Apr 2 2008, 08:22 PM
Larme I think Nightwalker's been pretty clear that h... Apr 2 2008, 09:42 PM
Nightwalker450 QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 04:42 PM) I th... Apr 2 2008, 09:48 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Larme)I think Nightwalker's been pretty... Apr 2 2008, 09:50 PM
Larme QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 2 2008, 08:14 PM) ... Apr 3 2008, 12:58 AM
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Ryu QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 3 2008, 01:58 AM) That... Apr 3 2008, 10:59 AM

Nightwalker450 QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 3 2008, 05:59 AM) The sa... Apr 3 2008, 01:19 PM
Ryu QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 3 2008, 01:58 AM) That... Apr 4 2008, 10:00 AM
Larme QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 4 2008, 05:00 AM) So in ... Apr 4 2008, 01:32 PM
Larme Just because if they were going to FAQ clear rules... Apr 3 2008, 01:20 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 2 2008, 06:20 PM) Just... Apr 3 2008, 01:22 AM
Larme Um, didn't I just suggest the developer chat?
... Apr 3 2008, 10:41 AM
Slymoon QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 3 2008, 04:41 AM) Um, ... Apr 3 2008, 02:17 PM
Larme QUOTE (Ryu @ Apr 3 2008, 05:59 AM) The sa... Apr 3 2008, 07:45 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 3 2008, 12:45 PM) If t... Apr 4 2008, 01:19 AM
Larme QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 3 2008, 08:19 PM) ... Apr 4 2008, 02:37 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 3 2008, 08:37 PM) Righ... Apr 4 2008, 02:49 AM
Tarantula As long as the thread is around, I had another que... Apr 4 2008, 01:49 AM
Tarantula Another question: Can a character with the Sweep a... Apr 4 2008, 01:58 AM
Larme Oh noes! Defeated by my own wurds! I iz ... Apr 4 2008, 05:16 AM
Ryu For full defense, the German BBB (pg. 151) continu... Apr 4 2008, 03:07 PM![]() ![]() |
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