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Edge2054
post Apr 5 2008, 02:34 AM
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My buddy just picked up arsenal and I seriously don't understand how something like emotion software could be introduced into the game.

Now everyone can be a face for the paltry sum of 3k nuyen or less then a full build point at character generation.

Currently my character rolls about 12 dice on social skill tests, this is five charisma dice, tailored pheromones, and social skills. I'm not a min/maxed character by any means but it works for our campaign.

But... for 1 build point you can buy empathy software that equals half my skill dice before factoring in skills or charisma. This basically puts my character out of a job in many regards.

So... from what I gather from this new precedent is either the writers no longer want teams to use face type characters or they expect everyone to roll 18 plus dice for skill tests.

We don't run a min/maxed campaign for a reason... they're retarded. In another thread concerning dikoting it was mentioned that dikoting was never specifically mentioned because it became a must have. Emotion software has become the new must have for social characters and frankly I think the writers were smoking something when they put it in.

I generally love the stuff you guys put out but as a long term shadowrun fan... seriously, who came up with this lame ass idea?
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- Edge2054   Social Software Killed the Face   Apr 5 2008, 02:34 AM
- - quentra   Do what I do and pretend everyone and their mother...   Apr 5 2008, 02:36 AM
- - KCKitsune   Or say that the emo-softs don't exist... just ...   Apr 5 2008, 03:37 AM
- - Fortune   I am still kind of partial to my house rule of onl...   Apr 5 2008, 05:41 AM
|- - Kremlin KOA   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 5 2008, 02:41 PM) I ...   Apr 6 2008, 11:12 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kremlin KOA @ Apr 6 2008, 09:12 PM...   Apr 6 2008, 11:24 AM
|- - Kremlin KOA   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 6 2008, 08:24 PM) Wh...   Apr 6 2008, 06:07 PM
- - Glyph   You know, normally I am extremely conservative abo...   Apr 5 2008, 06:36 AM
|- - Edge2054   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 5 2008, 07:36 AM) You ...   Apr 5 2008, 06:57 AM
- - Fuchs   No such stuff in my game. I consider it a pure and...   Apr 5 2008, 07:08 AM
|- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (Fuchs @ Apr 5 2008, 02:08 AM) No s...   Apr 9 2008, 12:00 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 9 2008, 10:00 AM) ...   Apr 9 2008, 12:14 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 8 2008, 05:00 PM) ...   Apr 9 2008, 12:37 AM
|- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (BlueMax @ Apr 8 2008, 07:37 PM) Th...   Apr 10 2008, 01:26 AM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 9 2008, 08:26 PM) ...   Apr 10 2008, 02:06 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 9 2008, 05:26 PM) ...   Apr 10 2008, 03:50 AM
- - masterofm   Part of me thinks this is in the game for the only...   Apr 5 2008, 08:15 AM
|- - Edge2054   QUOTE (masterofm @ Apr 5 2008, 09:15 AM) ...   Apr 5 2008, 09:39 AM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE You know, normally I am extremely conservati...   Apr 5 2008, 09:43 AM
- - Stahlseele   it's different in that somebody with a dicepoo...   Apr 5 2008, 10:38 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 5 2008, 09:38 PM)...   Apr 5 2008, 10:48 AM
- - KCKitsune   I still like gimping them to only rating 3. They ...   Apr 5 2008, 10:40 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   There's an easy solution to Sensor Software in...   Apr 5 2008, 10:43 AM
- - Particle_Beam   Perhaps the developers will bring out an errata fo...   Apr 5 2008, 12:32 PM
- - MaxHunter   I wouldn't be so hopeful... However, I inten...   Apr 5 2008, 02:25 PM
- - nathanross   Errata for Emosofts, "They do not add their r...   Apr 5 2008, 04:54 PM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (nathanross @ Apr 5 2008, 11:54 AM)...   Apr 5 2008, 07:15 PM
- - Fortune   Any decent Pornomancer that I have seen already ha...   Apr 5 2008, 05:34 PM
- - Daier Mune   I'd allow them to give a bonus to Judge Intent...   Apr 5 2008, 07:49 PM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Apr 5 2008, 03:49 PM)...   Apr 5 2008, 09:04 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Apr 6 2008, 07:04 AM) ...   Apr 5 2008, 09:28 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 5 2008, 10:28 PM) Th...   Apr 6 2008, 09:42 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Apr 7 2008, 07...   Apr 6 2008, 11:38 PM
- - jklst14   None of my players have purchased Empathy software...   Apr 5 2008, 08:12 PM
- - Glyph   Enhanced Pheromone Receptors add to the overall so...   Apr 5 2008, 09:27 PM
- - Edge2054   I don't really see the perception stuff as tha...   Apr 6 2008, 09:20 PM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Edge2054 @ Apr 6 2008, 05:20 PM) I...   Apr 6 2008, 09:29 PM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Apr 5 2008, 02:49 PM)...   Apr 7 2008, 02:59 AM
- - Aaron   If it was me GMing, I'd allow the Empathy prog...   Apr 7 2008, 03:12 AM
- - Magus   Now if you just load the emotion/empathy software ...   Apr 7 2008, 03:50 PM
- - Aaron   Another thought is to use the Empathy program like...   Apr 7 2008, 03:58 PM
- - Blade   I think that emotion software makes perfect sense....   Apr 7 2008, 04:26 PM
- - Coldan   Well, if you have got a problem with the empathy s...   Apr 8 2008, 10:12 AM
|- - Fuchs   QUOTE (Coldan @ Apr 8 2008, 12:12 PM) Wel...   Apr 8 2008, 10:22 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   That would be fantastically hilarious.   Apr 8 2008, 10:24 AM
- - quentra   Man, I wish I had Arsenal now. That sounds like fa...   Apr 8 2008, 12:20 PM
- - Fuchs   How exactly would a "camera neutraliser...   Apr 8 2008, 12:23 PM
- - quentra   Hm... Good point. Though hey, if the face is a por...   Apr 8 2008, 12:27 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   The fact alone that said non-sensor rolls Rating x...   Apr 8 2008, 12:30 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I asked my group last night if they were cool with...   Apr 8 2008, 01:06 PM
- - Blade   There's nothing in the rules about hacking the...   Apr 8 2008, 01:39 PM
|- - Fuchs   QUOTE (Blade @ Apr 8 2008, 03:39 PM) Ther...   Apr 8 2008, 01:43 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   Yeah the stupid fluffy coating is not a limitatio...   Apr 8 2008, 01:58 PM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Apr 8 2008, 09:58 ...   Apr 8 2008, 10:07 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (b1ffov3rfl0w @ Apr 8 2008, 05:07 P...   Apr 8 2008, 11:49 PM
- - Edge2054   A no-camera zone or whatever could counter emotion...   Apr 8 2008, 09:51 PM
- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (Edge2054 @ Apr 4 2008, 09:34 PM) M...   Apr 8 2008, 11:57 PM
|- - Mugzy   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 8 2008, 04:57 PM) ...   Apr 9 2008, 08:00 PM
|- - Edge2054   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 8 2008, 11:57 PM) ...   Apr 9 2008, 10:15 PM
|- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (Edge2054 @ Apr 9 2008, 05:15 PM) A...   Apr 10 2008, 01:23 AM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 9 2008, 09:23 PM) ...   Apr 10 2008, 01:56 AM
||- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Apr 9 2008, 09:56 ...   Apr 11 2008, 01:15 AM
|- - Edge2054   QUOTE (Lyonheart @ Apr 10 2008, 01:23 AM)...   Apr 10 2008, 03:46 AM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Edge2054 @ Apr 9 2008, 10:46 PM) T...   Apr 10 2008, 10:47 PM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   If you're increasing each person's dice po...   Apr 10 2008, 10:48 PM
||- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (b1ffov3rfl0w @ Apr 10 2008, 05:48 ...   Apr 11 2008, 12:11 AM
||- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Apr 10 2008, 07:11...   Apr 11 2008, 02:35 AM
|- - Lyonheart   QUOTE (Edge2054 @ Apr 9 2008, 11:46 PM) Y...   Apr 11 2008, 01:24 AM
- - ornot   I looked in detail at the Emotitoys and Empathy so...   Apr 10 2008, 02:18 PM
- - Cheops   I think people may be forgetting the difference be...   Apr 10 2008, 03:12 PM
- - Mugzy   Again, this is just assuming that everyone, from t...   Apr 11 2008, 12:00 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   yeah for the most part it is opposed tests, where ...   Apr 11 2008, 01:21 AM
- - Particle_Beam   It does, if somebody is too stupid not to have it....   Apr 11 2008, 01:59 AM
- - Cheops   May I also point out that this is Software? Which...   Apr 11 2008, 02:24 AM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Cheops @ Apr 10 2008, 09:24 PM) Ca...   Apr 11 2008, 02:37 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Arsenal pg. 57)Emotitoys: Emotitoys are sop...   Apr 11 2008, 02:48 AM
- - arathian   Empathy Sensor Software - Just delete the last sen...   Apr 11 2008, 02:50 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Arsenal pg. 60)Empathy: Empathy software is...   Apr 11 2008, 02:54 AM
- - b1ffov3rfl0w   Thanks. Wow, that's insane though.   Apr 11 2008, 03:05 AM
- - ArkonC   Indeed it implies the emotitoy also has a system r...   Apr 11 2008, 03:08 AM
- - masterofm   Step 1: Create high end toys and sell it for less...   Apr 11 2008, 08:20 AM
- - Blade   @ArkonC : I guess it's a specialized hardware ...   Apr 11 2008, 10:25 AM
- - ornot   Simply removing the last line of the empathy softw...   Apr 11 2008, 10:50 AM
- - Blade   Oh yeah, there's that too. Good thing the emot...   Apr 11 2008, 11:57 AM
|- - Cheops   QUOTE (Blade @ Apr 11 2008, 12:57 PM) Oh ...   Apr 11 2008, 04:42 PM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (ArkonC @ Apr 10 2008, 10:08 PM) In...   Apr 11 2008, 05:11 PM
|- - ornot   QUOTE (nathanross @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM...   Apr 11 2008, 05:17 PM
|- - nathanross   QUOTE (ornot @ Apr 11 2008, 12:17 PM) As ...   Apr 11 2008, 09:54 PM
|- - ornot   QUOTE (nathanross @ Apr 11 2008, 04:54 PM...   Apr 12 2008, 12:14 AM
- - Edge2054   I like the idea of limiting the die pool modifiers...   Apr 12 2008, 01:51 AM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (ornot @ Apr 11 2008, 08:14 PM) I s...   Apr 12 2008, 02:56 AM


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