 Melee vs Ranged, Balancing the two |
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Melee is commonly considered inferior to ranged because you first have to close the distance, and is resisted with two dice pools (three on full defense), as opposed to range's one (two on full defense).
I am currently considering a way to balance them, and am asking for what you would see as the pro's and con's. Make ranged defense work as Reaction+Dodge, with full defense Reaction+Dodge+Dodge/Gymnastics. The primary cons I can currently see with the issue are as follows: Dodge may become a must-have skill How having two pools on regular defense will stack with cover. I decided to try decreasing the power of ranged instead of increasing that of melee (by removing one of the defensive pools) because Shadowrun is the first game system I have seen that takes parrying into account, and I see no reasonable reason to remove it. |
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Muspellsheimr Melee vs Ranged Apr 23 2008, 07:17 PM
Tarantula Melee is inferior to ranged IRL also. I don't... Apr 23 2008, 07:26 PM
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Tarantula QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Apr 23 2008, 12:46... Apr 23 2008, 07:49 PM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 01:49 PM)... Apr 23 2008, 07:56 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Apr 23 2008, 12:56... Apr 23 2008, 08:16 PM Fuchs QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 09:26 PM)... Apr 24 2008, 09:26 AM ArkonC I would allow characters in melee with a ranged co... Apr 23 2008, 07:28 PM Triggerz QUOTE (ArkonC @ Apr 23 2008, 03:28 PM) I ... Apr 24 2008, 08:34 PM ZenGamer Exactly... Why do you think punching someone would... Apr 23 2008, 07:28 PM Tarantula QUOTE (ZenGamer @ Apr 23 2008, 12:28 PM) ... Apr 23 2008, 07:37 PM kzt QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 12:37 PM)... Apr 23 2008, 07:51 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 01:37 PM)... Apr 23 2008, 07:52 PM kzt QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Apr 23 2008, 12:52 ... Apr 23 2008, 08:21 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 23 2008, 02:21 PM) No, i... Apr 23 2008, 08:54 PM Daier Mune QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 23 2008, 03:21 PM) No, i... Apr 24 2008, 02:21 AM ZenGamer QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 03:37 PM)... Apr 23 2008, 08:01 PM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (ZenGamer @ Apr 23 2008, 02:01 PM) ... Apr 23 2008, 08:04 PM ZenGamer QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Apr 23 2008, 04:04... Apr 23 2008, 08:07 PM Shiloh QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 08:37 PM)... Apr 24 2008, 09:05 AM HentaiZonga QUOTE (Shiloh @ Apr 24 2008, 10:05 AM) No... Apr 24 2008, 09:22 AM Shiloh QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ Apr 24 2008, 10:22 A... Apr 24 2008, 01:09 PM Fuchs QUOTE (Shiloh @ Apr 24 2008, 03:09 PM) On... Apr 24 2008, 01:19 PM krakjen QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ Apr 24 2008, 11:22 A... Apr 24 2008, 02:32 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Shiloh @ Apr 24 2008, 02:05 AM) No... Apr 24 2008, 01:47 PM Critias QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 09:47 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 01:51 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 24 2008, 06:51 AM) D... Apr 24 2008, 01:57 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 07:57 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 02:06 PM Shiloh QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 02:47 PM)... Apr 24 2008, 03:16 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Shiloh @ Apr 24 2008, 08:16 AM) Su... Apr 24 2008, 03:19 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 09:19 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 03:22 PM Shiloh QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 04:19 PM)... Apr 25 2008, 08:25 AM Speed Wraith Geeze, melee has been pretty vicious in my games s... Apr 23 2008, 07:41 PM ElFenrir True enough. Im a huge fan of melee over ranged ge... Apr 23 2008, 07:43 PM Kyoto Kid ...another disadvantage is that a single melee att... Apr 23 2008, 07:44 PM Tarantula How many kids can actually punch equally well as a... Apr 23 2008, 07:52 PM ZenGamer QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 23 2008, 03:52 PM)... Apr 23 2008, 08:06 PM Speed Wraith QUOTE (ZenGamer @ Apr 23 2008, 03:06 PM) ... Apr 23 2008, 08:11 PM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Apr 23 2008, 02:11 ... Apr 23 2008, 08:18 PM Tarantula QUOTE (ZenGamer @ Apr 23 2008, 01:06 PM) ... Apr 23 2008, 08:14 PM Tarantula My other point for melee damage is that its possib... Apr 23 2008, 08:31 PM kzt He's a bullshit artist, not an "expert... Apr 23 2008, 09:24 PM CanRay "A person that brings a knife to a gunfight i... Apr 23 2008, 10:39 PM Aaron I had a melee artist and a gun bunny in a game onc... Apr 23 2008, 11:36 PM CanRay Marlboro: "You know, that gun costs about tw... Apr 23 2008, 11:41 PM WeaverMount It's been said before that the reason that Mel... Apr 24 2008, 12:00 AM Zen Shooter01 Melee is inferior to ranged in reality. That's... Apr 24 2008, 12:07 AM CanRay QUOTE (Zen Shooter01 @ Apr 23 2008, 07:07... Apr 24 2008, 12:23 AM WeaverMount Yes and they still train some in hand to hand beca... Apr 24 2008, 12:17 AM Glyph I would strongly recommend against changing the de... Apr 24 2008, 01:57 AM underaneonhalo I haven't had any problems with melee being un... Apr 24 2008, 02:34 AM ElFenrir As much as i'm for melee, again, i think each ... Apr 24 2008, 09:51 AM Aaron Really, there are only two kinds of weapons: those... Apr 24 2008, 01:47 PM Oracle I'd rather not be punched in the face by Mike ... Apr 24 2008, 02:01 PM Kyoto Kid QUOTE (Oracle @ Apr 24 2008, 07:01 AM) I... Apr 24 2008, 06:38 PM Tarantula See, and I'd argue the shooting should come fr... Apr 24 2008, 02:06 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 08:06 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 02:08 PM Kerberos QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 09:06 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 03:01 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Kerberos @ Apr 24 2008, 08:01 AM) ... Apr 24 2008, 03:02 PM CanRay QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 10:02 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 03:07 PM Kerberos QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 10:02 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 03:22 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Kerberos @ Apr 24 2008, 08:22 AM) ... Apr 24 2008, 03:30 PM Apathy QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 10:30 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 04:14 PM Tarantula QUOTE (Apathy @ Apr 24 2008, 09:14 AM) Ju... Apr 24 2008, 04:18 PM ZenGamer QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 11:18 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 04:32 PM SprainOgre QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 11:18 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 05:30 PM Tarantula QUOTE (SprainOgre @ Apr 24 2008, 10:30 AM... Apr 24 2008, 05:52 PM Shiloh QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 06:52 PM)... Apr 25 2008, 08:44 AM Tarantula QUOTE (Shiloh @ Apr 25 2008, 02:44 AM) So... Apr 25 2008, 12:01 PM Tarantula And after one punch in your chin/cheekbone(or a ma... Apr 24 2008, 02:12 PM cryptoknight QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 24 2008, 08:12 AM)... Apr 24 2008, 02:40 PM ZenGamer QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Apr 24 2008, 10:40 ... Apr 24 2008, 02:46 PM krakjen I think a good shooter with a shotgun will ALWAYS ... Apr 24 2008, 02:54 PM Slymoon QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Apr 23 2008, 01:17... Apr 24 2008, 03:16 PM SprainOgre Yes, both are not good. However, a punch in the g... Apr 24 2008, 04:10 PM SprainOgre Right, right. And I agree that, yes, unarmed/hth ... Apr 24 2008, 06:24 PM Tarantula Yes. I never said they were equally efficient. J... Apr 24 2008, 06:31 PM paws2sky I know this comment isn't particularly useful,... Apr 24 2008, 06:57 PM Tarantula Subduing is the win for fighting 1 on 1. Oh look,... Apr 24 2008, 09:11 PM Earlydawn To add some background to this thread: I've re... Apr 24 2008, 09:16 PM Speed Wraith QUOTE (Earlydawn @ Apr 24 2008, 04:16 PM)... Apr 24 2008, 09:42 PM Tarantula The ones closest to the enemy troops. /smartass Apr 24 2008, 09:18 PM Triggerz Yeah, it's only at roughly equal skill that th... Apr 24 2008, 09:21 PM Triggerz By the way, am I the only who thinks that subduing... Apr 24 2008, 09:54 PM Muspellsheimr The damage is resisted normally, with Body+Impact.... Apr 24 2008, 09:59 PM Aaron I've had a little Brazilian Jujutsu, not much ... Apr 25 2008, 01:13 AM krakjen Yeah, and any average peon can learn to kill you d... Apr 25 2008, 01:28 AM Aaron QUOTE (krakjen @ Apr 24 2008, 07:28 PM) Y... Apr 25 2008, 01:40 AM Triggerz QUOTE (Aaron @ Apr 24 2008, 09:40 PM) My ... Apr 25 2008, 06:02 AM krakjen Ho, sorry then, I didn't see you were answerin... Apr 25 2008, 01:57 AM Muspellsheimr It takes a complex action, and is an automatic *hi... Apr 25 2008, 06:17 AM Triggerz QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Apr 25 2008, 02:17... Apr 25 2008, 04:45 PM krakjen Yes, but they are cases when guns won't do. Sp... Apr 25 2008, 09:50 AM cryptoknight QUOTE (krakjen @ Apr 25 2008, 03:50 AM) Y... Apr 25 2008, 04:59 PM krakjen QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Apr 25 2008, 06:59 ... Apr 25 2008, 05:20 PM WeaverMount How long do you have to train to learn to punch in... Apr 25 2008, 12:34 PM Tarantula QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Apr 25 2008, 05:34 A... Apr 25 2008, 12:55 PM Tarantula Agreed. If a sammy has 4 IPs, and subdues a 1IP c... Apr 25 2008, 04:56 PM Triggerz QUOTE (Tarantula @ Apr 25 2008, 12:56 PM)... Apr 25 2008, 05:06 PM Tarantula Yes, my opinion is that the rule the way it is is ... Apr 25 2008, 05:34 PM  |
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