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Raavek
post Apr 29 2008, 06:59 PM
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I don't know about the rules of this forum, but I decided to leave the word "ass" out of the title of this post, but I'll say it again. This community kicks ass.

I have had a ton of people send me IMs saying they would be more than happy to help me out with my session, which is MUCH appreciated. Only problem is, we didn't really get started Saturday. So far my group consists of 4 other players and myself. Last saturday they came over, and I let them all know my rule where I was going to not use resourced as first is now nullified, they were scouring the book, learning rules and whatnot.

I went out and photocopied some important charts and whatnot out of the book, plus the pre-made characters to test run this week/weekend. I also printed off one of the missions that I found online. Since I am new to this, I kind of did an eenie-meenie-minee-mo on it and just nabbed one. Looks like it might be a decent mission to playtest. I am going to have them run this mission (which they can get a total of 7 karma off of if everything goes right) and let them carry over all karma they get with using the premades in this mission to their actual characters.

But I do have a dessenter in the group. He argues minus dice to your total dicepool doesn't make sense.

(I think he is still stuck in Vampire mode; in Vampire, you have a difficulty system with d10 dice. Roll 5 dice, dif 7, all 7,8,9,10 are hits, anything below don't count, all 1s negate a die) He states that the dice modifiers don't make sense for people who don't min max, and he cited the rules for full auto as an example. He states that just to pop off a full auto, that is -9 dice right there, minus any further factors.

His reasoning this doesn't make sense is this: He relates it to why real life terrorists use fully automatics. He says that terrorists arn't normally formally trained, so they throw AKs at them, using the logic AK-47s spit out more bullets, thus making it easier to hit something. He says keep in mind the level the book says is professional is 3, so taking that plus 3 agility = 6, minus just the -9 dice, and you are left with just 1 dice to roll with with a fully automatic hellstorm.

Now, granted, I've fired a fully automatic weapon in FA more before, and yeah, they are a pain to handle. If you spray and pray, I think 1 dice reflects this pretty accurately. I personally like the way the game operates, but he seems to think that it isn't balanced. He also states you have a pretty high chance of rolling a glitch with just 1 dice, which you do. I told him if you critical glitch on a 1 dice roll, I would be a bit more lenient with the outcome of a glitch. For example, if you have 10 dice to roll with, and you critical glitch, man luck really doesn't like you today, and something extremely bad happens (IE gun exploding, innocents shot, something REALLY bad). With 1 dice roll, i would chalk that more up to chance. (gun jam, maybe shoot a team mate if they are being stupid and running near the area of fire)

I am at work now, and I will post a bit more here in a few minutes...to be continued
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- Raavek   I have found a community that kicks butt!   Apr 29 2008, 06:59 PM
- - Nightwalker450   Welcome to Dumpshock (also my favorite time killer...   Apr 29 2008, 07:04 PM
- - Speed Wraith   Ah, OWoD, eh? NWoD system uses negative dice pena...   Apr 29 2008, 07:04 PM
- - imperialus   That's also before factoring in any sort of re...   Apr 29 2008, 07:07 PM
- - Bearclaw   Terrorists and other rabble use the AK on full aut...   Apr 29 2008, 07:09 PM
- - Raavek   Bah stuck on a stupid issue at work, but a quick r...   Apr 29 2008, 07:14 PM
- - Adarael   I'd like to see someone try to fire a 50 cal w...   Apr 29 2008, 07:25 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   First of all, you can, as already mentioned, do su...   Apr 29 2008, 07:26 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Welcome to Dumpshock. If you want to represent the...   Apr 29 2008, 07:29 PM
- - imperialus   Also for the record, it is entirely possible to bu...   Apr 29 2008, 07:37 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   I have never fired fully automatic weapons myself,...   Apr 29 2008, 07:40 PM
- - Raavek   It is hard to play the devils advocate here when I...   Apr 29 2008, 07:50 PM
- - Speed Wraith   Sure, you get an aim bonus for a Take Aim action ...   Apr 29 2008, 07:55 PM
- - vladski   Raavek, Cool! It sounds like you have a darn...   Apr 29 2008, 08:00 PM
|- - Speed Wraith   QUOTE (vladski @ Apr 29 2008, 04:00 PM) A...   Apr 29 2008, 08:04 PM
|- - bjorn   QUOTE (vladski @ Apr 29 2008, 03:00 PM) A...   Apr 29 2008, 10:15 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   The SR rules abstract individual shot. Basically, ...   Apr 29 2008, 08:06 PM
- - kigmatzomat   AK's are common weapons for two design reasons...   Apr 29 2008, 08:08 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Raavek @ Apr 29 2008, 12:59 PM) Hi...   Apr 29 2008, 08:09 PM
- - SprainOgre   Ahh, Dumpshock at work. It's a sanity saver. ...   Apr 29 2008, 08:11 PM
- - Speed Wraith   Yeah, on a slow day like this it is   Apr 29 2008, 08:12 PM
- - Raavek   Yeah and I think he is just being stubborn. (we we...   Apr 29 2008, 09:37 PM
|- - vladski   QUOTE (Raavek @ Apr 29 2008, 04:37 PM) Ye...   Apr 29 2008, 09:58 PM
|- - Matsci   QUOTE (Raavek @ Apr 29 2008, 10:37 PM) Ye...   Apr 29 2008, 10:11 PM
- - vladski   OKay! I found them! There was no identif...   Apr 29 2008, 10:06 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (vladski @ Apr 29 2008, 04:06 PM) T...   Apr 29 2008, 11:34 PM
|- - vladski   QUOTE (Aaron @ Apr 29 2008, 06:34 PM) Mwr...   Apr 30 2008, 01:15 AM
- - Raavek   AWESOME FIND!! Man that rocks sooooo much...   Apr 29 2008, 10:54 PM
|- - vladski   QUOTE (Raavek @ Apr 29 2008, 05:54 PM) AW...   Apr 29 2008, 11:09 PM
- - Raavek   Lol dammit i have aquired a boon. NOOOOOOOO (I co...   Apr 29 2008, 11:19 PM
- - Aaron   My pleasure; I'm glad they were useful. Let me...   Apr 30 2008, 04:01 AM
- - Shiloh   I like the suppressive fire rules. It's not af...   Apr 30 2008, 09:24 AM


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