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ElFenrir
post Aug 13 2008, 11:48 AM
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Alrighty, so I do like the concept of shapeshifters, and got a nifty idea for one(a polar-bear based Elf, of all things, to switch things up a bit). Also making him an Adept.

He starts with Vulnerablilty(Silver); Uneducated. Gotcha. Along with the bonuses.

Now, using Karma generation(750), I pay the usual 10 karma to be an Adept, and 40 Karma for the Elf shifter bit(page 87 specifically says if you want to play a shifter that transforms into a different form, you need to pay BP= to the BP cost-10. In Karma, I assume this would double(Elf is 30-10=20, x2=40).

Now, the thing that's confusing me(I used the Search option, and either i failed my Perception roll or just didn't see any information on it), says that ''They gain their standard metatype abilities(see Metatype Attribute Table, in SR4), when in that form.''

Ok, now this is the confusing part. I assume he'd get his low-light vision while in Elf form, but the Attributes seem to have a...discrepancy.

On page 86 of RC, it says'' These attribute values apply for BOTH the shapeshifter's human and animal forms,'' when it discusses the Shifter's attributes. The ones you buy on the chart on page 87, I was assuming are the same regardless of form.

But...if the attribute values apply for both forms, and they tell me to use the ''standard metatype'' bonuses in the book if I pick a different race...which do I use exactly? Do metahuman shifters somehow lose the ability to keep their animal attributes in human form, when a human shifter keeps the same attributes? Do they get bonuses on top of this? Or do they only get the ''other abilities''(vision, dermal armor, Poison/Disease resist bonus, etc.) I'm GUESSING it's the latter(so my Elf would have his regular Polar Bear stats, but have low-light vision in his Elf form)...but I could be wrong.

Could anyone clarify this one?
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- ElFenrir   Shifter Help   Aug 13 2008, 11:48 AM
- - Ancient History   <grunt> Something else playtesting should ha...   Aug 13 2008, 12:34 PM
- - ElFenrir   Ahh, gotcha, I think. So my ''elven panze...   Aug 13 2008, 12:41 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   The Bear shifter stats (and a few others) are pres...   Aug 13 2008, 01:22 PM
- - Ancient History   Was intended for racial minimum and maximum - henc...   Aug 13 2008, 01:25 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Wow. That's gonna be powerful. Further clar...   Aug 13 2008, 01:34 PM
- - Ancient History   Lower to 1/3.   Aug 13 2008, 01:37 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Ouch. Hooray for balance! Okay, so assuming ...   Aug 13 2008, 01:41 PM
- - ElFenrir   Actually, that's a good question...so it could...   Aug 13 2008, 01:56 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   The last one was for Intuition and Logic actually....   Aug 13 2008, 01:59 PM
- - ElFenrir   Gah! I mistook the Troll. Yeah, it's -1 Ag...   Aug 13 2008, 07:00 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Aug 13 2008, 10:00 PM) ...   Aug 13 2008, 07:26 PM
- - ElFenrir   Ahhh...I gotcha. So, like, the Tiger/Lion with a S...   Aug 13 2008, 07:37 PM
- - Mäx   NO the all the basic metatypes atriputes conform e...   Aug 13 2008, 07:44 PM
- - ElFenrir   so going up would be 6/11, 7/12, 8/13, etc. Gotcha...   Aug 13 2008, 07:56 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Presently the assumption I'm working off of is...   Aug 13 2008, 08:11 PM
- - ElFenrir   Yeah, that's how I kinda figured it. Hmm...an...   Aug 13 2008, 08:33 PM
|- - Oenone   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Aug 13 2008, 09:33 PM) ...   Aug 13 2008, 08:45 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   I guess shifters involve themselves in the 6th wor...   Aug 13 2008, 08:47 PM
- - Oenone   It makes sense really, if you have to fake being a...   Aug 13 2008, 08:51 PM
- - ElFenrir   True enough. I was curious, because I wasn't s...   Aug 13 2008, 08:54 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   I'd rule they're definitely they're ow...   Aug 13 2008, 08:55 PM
- - Maelwys   Actually, it would be better if you all read the r...   Aug 13 2008, 09:13 PM
- - ElFenrir   So...wait, but one of the devs just included ...   Aug 13 2008, 09:21 PM
- - Maelwys   The Dev/Author should've read the rule and see...   Aug 13 2008, 09:35 PM
- - Ancient History   I don't always see everything post-edit. Sorry...   Aug 13 2008, 11:42 PM
- - ElFenrir   No problems. Just a bit of confusion, some clarity...   Aug 14 2008, 12:16 AM
- - Isath   Well I do think that "Not Always Quite Human...   Aug 14 2008, 02:20 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   So potentially a troll fox shifter with a body of ...   Aug 14 2008, 03:14 AM
- - Platinum Dragon   I concur. Why would a troll shifter be costing me ...   Aug 14 2008, 03:56 AM
|- - Maelwys   QUOTE (Platinum Dragon @ Aug 13 2008, 09...   Aug 14 2008, 09:59 PM
- - ElFenrir   Damnit, now more points are brought up. @_@ True...   Aug 14 2008, 09:05 AM
- - Isath   QUOTE I know Elf natural low light isn't worth...   Aug 14 2008, 10:38 AM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE Especially if you note that most shifters wi...   Aug 14 2008, 11:14 AM
- - Isath   Regeneration will be a good portion of the cost I ...   Aug 14 2008, 12:29 PM
- - ElFenrir   Oh, thing is, with my Bear, I am totally satisfied...   Aug 14 2008, 01:27 PM
- - Isath   I am fully with you here! IF the Agility max ...   Aug 14 2008, 01:50 PM
- - ElFenrir   Heh, totally. I mean, I'm one to say '...   Aug 14 2008, 03:14 PM
- - Isath   Indeed the shifter/metahuman thing is tricky, but ...   Aug 14 2008, 04:15 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   I'm gonna add this latest confusion to the err...   Aug 14 2008, 04:27 PM
- - PlatonicPimp   why has no one considered that maybe shifters just...   Aug 14 2008, 06:59 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Yes, but as I mentioned when I started bringing th...   Aug 14 2008, 07:06 PM
- - Isath   It has also been hinted, that it is most probably ...   Aug 14 2008, 07:14 PM
- - Isath   We are not talking about norms (statwise) but abou...   Aug 14 2008, 11:25 PM
- - Maelwys   My way has the rules behind it AH's way seems...   Aug 15 2008, 04:41 AM
|- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (Maelwys @ Aug 15 2008, 02:41 PM) A...   Aug 15 2008, 04:44 AM
- - Maelwys   Hey, not my ruleset. I think its pretty dumb that ...   Aug 15 2008, 04:52 AM
- - Isath   The thing with you having the rules behind you, is...   Aug 15 2008, 12:02 PM
- - Maelwys   Since DreadPirateKitten and I got into this on IRC...   Aug 19 2008, 03:28 AM
- - DreadPirateKitten   Essentially, paying build points for nothing is co...   Aug 19 2008, 03:46 AM
- - Maelwys   Well, I'm sure there are some people out there...   Aug 19 2008, 04:03 AM
- - DreadPirateKitten   Ok, lets check what an elf gets for the 30 build p...   Aug 19 2008, 04:07 AM
|- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (DreadPirateKitten @ Aug 19 2008, 02...   Aug 19 2008, 04:21 AM
- - Maelwys   On the other hand, for 15 as a dwarf you get +2 di...   Aug 19 2008, 04:22 AM
- - DreadPirateKitten   Nobody is claiming all options are equally bad. Or...   Aug 19 2008, 04:33 AM


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