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Xarei
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I just picked up Runner's Companion and was really pleased to see Karma based character gen in it, I've often played with 3rd party Karmagen rules in the earlier editions and I was happy to see it "officially" this time around.
However, when I tried to make a character I was struck by how odd the math was...

So looking at the totals: 400 BP = 750 Karma or 1 BP = 1.875 Karma

Looking at flat costed stuff like nuyen or qualities, 1BP = 2 Karma, this seems to make sense a tiny rounding difference is small price to pay not to have to get out my calculator to buy gear.

But looking at attributes:
Buying an Attribute up costs 10 BP per level, 40 BP for Strength 5 for example

Buying an Attribute up costs New level * 3 karma, 42 karma for Strength 5
(Start at 1, 6k for 2, 9k for 3, 12k for 4, 15k for 5)

Which is 1BP = 1.05 Karma

I picked 5 because it is the highest ratio of Karma to BP, for attribute values 2-4 it costs less karma than BP and I wasn't certain if you were still supposed to pay a 'tax' for maxing an attribute.




So, did I miss some errata? Like if attributes were New Value * 5 it would be closer to working out.
If not, and that is how it's intended, has anyone run a game with Karamgen? How does the favoring of attributes (and to a lesser extent skills) over Qualities, nuyen and contacts effect the game?



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- Xarei   Karma Based Character Creation   Sep 3 2008, 05:51 PM
- - venenum   Serbitar has already addressed some of these probl...   Sep 3 2008, 05:59 PM
- - ArkonC   KarmaGen is awesome, but 750 Karma =/= 400 BP... T...   Sep 3 2008, 06:08 PM
- - Xarei   Wow those house rules from Serbitar are great!   Sep 3 2008, 06:56 PM
- - venenum   Thats the way I feel as well plus they make trolls...   Sep 3 2008, 07:15 PM
- - Rasumichin   There simply is no fixed ratio between BP and karm...   Sep 3 2008, 07:49 PM
- - Ancient History   Generally speaking, 600 Karma will make you a char...   Sep 3 2008, 09:17 PM
- - Skip   That's part of the good part of a karma gen sy...   Sep 3 2008, 09:37 PM
- - ElFenrir   I mean, yeah, 750 Karma, as it's been said, do...   Sep 4 2008, 12:39 AM
- - Falconer   I have to agree w/ the other posters... I LOVE how...   Sep 5 2008, 03:47 AM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 5 2008, 04:47 AM) T...   Sep 5 2008, 04:18 AM
||- - Krule   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr)To prove this, I give you the...   Sep 5 2008, 07:53 AM
||- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Krule @ Sep 5 2008, 01:53 AM) Karm...   Sep 5 2008, 05:55 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 4 2008, 08:47 PM) I...   May 13 2010, 09:32 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Udoshi @ May 13 2010, 11:32 PM) Th...   May 13 2010, 10:12 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   Might as well post my Karma generation rules here....   Sep 5 2008, 04:01 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   I'd personally start by giving a Karma cost fo...   Sep 5 2008, 04:04 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   Rasumichin, I have covered this before in the othe...   Sep 5 2008, 04:42 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 12:42 ...   Sep 18 2008, 09:31 AM
- - Falconer   Rasumichin: I disagree... I pointed out that the ...   Sep 5 2008, 04:48 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   I am not charging for bringing an Attribute up to ...   Sep 5 2008, 05:05 AM
- - ElFenrir   I recently made three characters(not as much a tes...   Sep 5 2008, 11:13 AM
- - Skip   Honestly, play it before trying any changes. I...   Sep 5 2008, 02:24 PM
- - Krule   Nope, that should be 42 for magic, my appologies, ...   Sep 5 2008, 07:32 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   Technically, I did exceed your Dice Pool in Electr...   Sep 5 2008, 07:47 PM
|- - Krule   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 12:47 ...   Sep 5 2008, 10:27 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   With Dwarf, the 18 points saved from Attributes wo...   Sep 6 2008, 12:31 AM
- - ElFenrir   You know, when speaking of balance Metahuman wise ...   Sep 6 2008, 01:19 AM
- - venenum   I have to agree. Just becuase we can min/max till ...   Sep 6 2008, 01:24 AM
- - Falconer   I agree w/ the sentiment... but IMO... there shoul...   Sep 6 2008, 02:04 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   I fully agree that people should play what they wa...   Sep 6 2008, 03:28 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   So is the BP system broken for penalizing metas wi...   Sep 6 2008, 03:32 AM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Sep 5 2008, 08:32 PM) ...   Sep 6 2008, 03:50 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 6 2008, 05:50 ...   Sep 6 2008, 12:31 PM
- - Falconer   Jhaiisiin: I think it's pretty well documented...   Sep 6 2008, 03:46 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   I still don't get where you see no cost, given...   Sep 6 2008, 04:19 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   6 Body is 6 Body, regardless of if it is a Human o...   Sep 6 2008, 04:57 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   I think our differing view stem how we're view...   Sep 6 2008, 05:24 AM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Sep 5 2008, 11:24 PM) ...   Sep 6 2008, 05:49 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 6 2008, 08:49 ...   Sep 6 2008, 06:11 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   edit: Stupid multi-posting blackberry   Sep 6 2008, 05:25 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   edit: and again. Sorry about that.   Sep 6 2008, 05:25 AM
- - HappyDaze   When using the Karma Creation System, does the lim...   Sep 6 2008, 06:04 AM
- - ElFenrir   Yeah, you're never going to *get* exact mechan...   Sep 6 2008, 09:46 AM
- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 05:42 ...   Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   If you want perfect mechanical balance, get rid of...   Sep 6 2008, 03:15 PM
- - TheOOB   The fact is, by choosing a metatype you are gainin...   Sep 18 2008, 04:39 AM
- - darthmord   If racial costs are such an issue, why not just no...   Sep 19 2008, 02:47 PM
- - Falconer   Darthmord: Read all the historical threads and do ...   Sep 19 2008, 03:37 PM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 19 2008, 11:37 AM) ...   Sep 19 2008, 05:44 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 19 2008, 11:37 PM) ...   Sep 19 2008, 11:49 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (toturi @ Sep 19 2008, 04:49 PM) Ar...   Sep 20 2008, 02:26 AM
- - Falconer   Lets break that down. In order to build a char un...   Sep 20 2008, 04:37 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 20 2008, 12:37 PM) ...   Sep 21 2008, 01:42 AM
- - Alex   This thread is proof that if you ask 10 people for...   Sep 20 2008, 04:56 AM
- - Abschalten   I know all the numbers and math. I've done it...   Sep 20 2008, 06:17 AM
|- - TheOOB   QUOTE (Abschalten @ Sep 20 2008, 02:17 AM...   Sep 20 2008, 07:55 AM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE This thread is proof that if you ask 10 peop...   Sep 20 2008, 11:43 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Sep 20 2008, 02:43 PM) ...   Sep 20 2008, 12:15 PM
- - Falconer   Well nicely done Toturi. (sp! :)), Hats off ...   Sep 21 2008, 02:22 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 21 2008, 10:22 AM) ...   Sep 21 2008, 03:19 AM
- - Falconer   That's what I get for posting before double ch...   Sep 21 2008, 04:08 AM
- - Cain   After examining karmagen, I have to offer this: it...   Sep 21 2008, 04:39 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Soft-maxed Charisma and Social Skills plus the Emp...   Sep 21 2008, 04:56 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Your point remains, though. In the end, it...   Sep 21 2008, 05:57 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Oh I agree with your first point. By believable I...   Sep 21 2008, 06:56 AM
- - Glyph   Personally, I don't think it's how the Kar...   Sep 21 2008, 07:07 AM
- - toturi   Actually if you think about it, karma doesn't ...   Sep 21 2008, 07:28 AM
- - ElFenrir   IMO, sure, the 750 Karma lets folks have higher th...   Sep 21 2008, 09:52 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE So... yeah. I greatly prefer the Karma Syste...   Sep 21 2008, 05:39 PM
- - ElFenrir   In my experience making and seeing Karma metas...n...   Sep 21 2008, 06:50 PM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE When it comes down to it, I've only play...   Sep 21 2008, 06:53 PM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Sep 21 2008, 01...   Sep 22 2008, 12:46 AM
- - Falconer   I'm just going to throw this out there. There...   Sep 22 2008, 12:01 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Karma is more numbers, yes...but you know, I...   Sep 22 2008, 12:27 AM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 21 2008, 07:27 PM) That...   Sep 22 2008, 12:52 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 21 2008, 05...   Sep 22 2008, 01:42 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Well no, they don't create characters that are...   Sep 22 2008, 01:52 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE On the plus side, typing up the basics of th...   Sep 22 2008, 02:21 AM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 21 2008, 08:21 PM) That...   Sep 22 2008, 02:51 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 21 2008, 06...   Sep 22 2008, 04:28 AM
- - Falconer   Cain: You could always just refer them to karma ad...   Sep 22 2008, 05:35 AM
- - Samoth   Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd b...   May 13 2010, 12:38 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 02:38 PM) If...   May 13 2010, 01:42 PM
|- - Samoth   QUOTE (Mäx @ May 13 2010, 02:42 PM) Cons...   May 13 2010, 02:25 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 04:25 PM) Ca...   May 13 2010, 06:11 PM
|- - Samoth   QUOTE (Mäx @ May 13 2010, 07:11 PM) Bein...   May 13 2010, 06:13 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 08:13 PM) Th...   May 13 2010, 08:02 PM
- - Falconer   Udoshi... look when that post was made... it's...   May 13 2010, 10:23 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Falconer @ May 13 2010, 03:23 PM) ...   May 14 2010, 03:30 AM
- - Karoline   Max amount of karma you can get out of the BP syst...   May 13 2010, 10:28 PM
- - Falconer   The ONLY way to get that much karma out of the BP ...   May 13 2010, 10:50 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Falconer @ May 13 2010, 05:50 PM) ...   May 13 2010, 11:22 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   To me the ultimate test is what is the karma and B...   May 14 2010, 12:07 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ May 13 2010, 07:07...   May 14 2010, 02:03 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 14 2010, 04:03 AM) ...   May 14 2010, 08:27 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Mäx @ May 14 2010, 04:27 AM) Now ...   May 14 2010, 02:50 PM
- - Glyph   Karmagen with the German rules comes closer to 400...   May 14 2010, 02:18 AM
- - Ancient History   T'be fair, the German rules did include my err...   May 14 2010, 02:34 AM
- - Falconer   Yes, and if the troll/orc chooses NOT to raise Str...   May 14 2010, 03:43 AM
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