Sep 3 2008, 05:51 PM
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I just picked up Runner's Companion and was really pleased to see Karma based character gen in it, I've often played with 3rd party Karmagen rules in the earlier editions and I was happy to see it "officially" this time around.
However, when I tried to make a character I was struck by how odd the math was... So looking at the totals: 400 BP = 750 Karma or 1 BP = 1.875 Karma Looking at flat costed stuff like nuyen or qualities, 1BP = 2 Karma, this seems to make sense a tiny rounding difference is small price to pay not to have to get out my calculator to buy gear. But looking at attributes: Buying an Attribute up costs 10 BP per level, 40 BP for Strength 5 for example Buying an Attribute up costs New level * 3 karma, 42 karma for Strength 5 (Start at 1, 6k for 2, 9k for 3, 12k for 4, 15k for 5) Which is 1BP = 1.05 Karma I picked 5 because it is the highest ratio of Karma to BP, for attribute values 2-4 it costs less karma than BP and I wasn't certain if you were still supposed to pay a 'tax' for maxing an attribute. So, did I miss some errata? Like if attributes were New Value * 5 it would be closer to working out. If not, and that is how it's intended, has anyone run a game with Karamgen? How does the favoring of attributes (and to a lesser extent skills) over Qualities, nuyen and contacts effect the game? |
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Xarei Karma Based Character Creation Sep 3 2008, 05:51 PM
venenum Serbitar has already addressed some of these probl... Sep 3 2008, 05:59 PM
ArkonC KarmaGen is awesome, but 750 Karma =/= 400 BP...
T... Sep 3 2008, 06:08 PM
Xarei Wow those house rules from Serbitar are great! Sep 3 2008, 06:56 PM
venenum Thats the way I feel as well plus they make trolls... Sep 3 2008, 07:15 PM
Rasumichin There simply is no fixed ratio between BP and karm... Sep 3 2008, 07:49 PM
Ancient History Generally speaking, 600 Karma will make you a char... Sep 3 2008, 09:17 PM
Skip That's part of the good part of a karma gen sy... Sep 3 2008, 09:37 PM
ElFenrir I mean, yeah, 750 Karma, as it's been said, do... Sep 4 2008, 12:39 AM
Falconer I have to agree w/ the other posters... I LOVE how... Sep 5 2008, 03:47 AM
Rasumichin QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 5 2008, 04:47 AM) T... Sep 5 2008, 04:18 AM

Krule QUOTE (Muspellsheimr)To prove this, I give you the... Sep 5 2008, 07:53 AM

Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Krule @ Sep 5 2008, 01:53 AM) Karm... Sep 5 2008, 05:55 PM
Udoshi QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 4 2008, 08:47 PM) I... May 13 2010, 09:32 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Udoshi @ May 13 2010, 11:32 PM) Th... May 13 2010, 10:12 PM
Muspellsheimr Might as well post my Karma generation rules here.... Sep 5 2008, 04:01 AM
Dr. Funkenstein I'd personally start by giving a Karma cost fo... Sep 5 2008, 04:04 AM
Muspellsheimr Rasumichin, I have covered this before in the othe... Sep 5 2008, 04:42 AM
toturi QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 12:42 ... Sep 18 2008, 09:31 AM
Falconer Rasumichin:
I disagree... I pointed out that the ... Sep 5 2008, 04:48 AM
Muspellsheimr I am not charging for bringing an Attribute up to ... Sep 5 2008, 05:05 AM
ElFenrir I recently made three characters(not as much a tes... Sep 5 2008, 11:13 AM
Skip Honestly, play it before trying any changes.
I... Sep 5 2008, 02:24 PM
Krule Nope, that should be 42 for magic, my appologies, ... Sep 5 2008, 07:32 PM
Muspellsheimr Technically, I did exceed your Dice Pool in Electr... Sep 5 2008, 07:47 PM
Krule QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 12:47 ... Sep 5 2008, 10:27 PM
Muspellsheimr With Dwarf, the 18 points saved from Attributes wo... Sep 6 2008, 12:31 AM
ElFenrir You know, when speaking of balance Metahuman wise ... Sep 6 2008, 01:19 AM
venenum I have to agree. Just becuase we can min/max till ... Sep 6 2008, 01:24 AM
Falconer I agree w/ the sentiment... but IMO... there shoul... Sep 6 2008, 02:04 AM
Muspellsheimr I fully agree that people should play what they wa... Sep 6 2008, 03:28 AM
Jhaiisiin So is the BP system broken for penalizing metas wi... Sep 6 2008, 03:32 AM
Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Sep 5 2008, 08:32 PM) ... Sep 6 2008, 03:50 AM
Ryu QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 6 2008, 05:50 ... Sep 6 2008, 12:31 PM
Falconer Jhaiisiin:
I think it's pretty well documented... Sep 6 2008, 03:46 AM
Jhaiisiin I still don't get where you see no cost, given... Sep 6 2008, 04:19 AM
Muspellsheimr 6 Body is 6 Body, regardless of if it is a Human o... Sep 6 2008, 04:57 AM
Jhaiisiin I think our differing view stem how we're view... Sep 6 2008, 05:24 AM
Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Sep 5 2008, 11:24 PM) ... Sep 6 2008, 05:49 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 6 2008, 08:49 ... Sep 6 2008, 06:11 AM
Jhaiisiin edit: Stupid multi-posting blackberry Sep 6 2008, 05:25 AM
Jhaiisiin edit: and again. Sorry about that. Sep 6 2008, 05:25 AM
HappyDaze When using the Karma Creation System, does the lim... Sep 6 2008, 06:04 AM
ElFenrir Yeah, you're never going to *get* exact mechan... Sep 6 2008, 09:46 AM
Rasumichin QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 5 2008, 05:42 ... Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM
Jhaiisiin If you want perfect mechanical balance, get rid of... Sep 6 2008, 03:15 PM
TheOOB The fact is, by choosing a metatype you are gainin... Sep 18 2008, 04:39 AM
darthmord If racial costs are such an issue, why not just no... Sep 19 2008, 02:47 PM
Falconer Darthmord:
Read all the historical threads and do ... Sep 19 2008, 03:37 PM
darthmord QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 19 2008, 11:37 AM) ... Sep 19 2008, 05:44 PM
toturi QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 19 2008, 11:37 PM) ... Sep 19 2008, 11:49 PM
Glyph QUOTE (toturi @ Sep 19 2008, 04:49 PM) Ar... Sep 20 2008, 02:26 AM
Falconer Lets break that down. In order to build a char un... Sep 20 2008, 04:37 AM
toturi QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 20 2008, 12:37 PM) ... Sep 21 2008, 01:42 AM
Alex This thread is proof that if you ask 10 people for... Sep 20 2008, 04:56 AM
Abschalten I know all the numbers and math. I've done it... Sep 20 2008, 06:17 AM
TheOOB QUOTE (Abschalten @ Sep 20 2008, 02:17 AM... Sep 20 2008, 07:55 AM
ElFenrir QUOTE This thread is proof that if you ask 10 peop... Sep 20 2008, 11:43 AM
Mäx QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Sep 20 2008, 02:43 PM) ... Sep 20 2008, 12:15 PM
Falconer Well nicely done Toturi. (sp! :)), Hats off ... Sep 21 2008, 02:22 AM
toturi QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 21 2008, 10:22 AM) ... Sep 21 2008, 03:19 AM
Falconer That's what I get for posting before double ch... Sep 21 2008, 04:08 AM
Cain After examining karmagen, I have to offer this: it... Sep 21 2008, 04:39 AM
Dr. Funkenstein Soft-maxed Charisma and Social Skills plus the Emp... Sep 21 2008, 04:56 AM
Cain QUOTE Your point remains, though. In the end, it... Sep 21 2008, 05:57 AM
Dr. Funkenstein Oh I agree with your first point. By believable I... Sep 21 2008, 06:56 AM
Glyph Personally, I don't think it's how the Kar... Sep 21 2008, 07:07 AM
toturi Actually if you think about it, karma doesn't ... Sep 21 2008, 07:28 AM
ElFenrir IMO, sure, the 750 Karma lets folks have higher th... Sep 21 2008, 09:52 AM
Cain QUOTE So... yeah. I greatly prefer the Karma Syste... Sep 21 2008, 05:39 PM
ElFenrir In my experience making and seeing Karma metas...n... Sep 21 2008, 06:50 PM
Ancient History QUOTE When it comes down to it, I've only play... Sep 21 2008, 06:53 PM
Dr. Funkenstein QUOTE (Ancient History @ Sep 21 2008, 01... Sep 22 2008, 12:46 AM
Falconer I'm just going to throw this out there. There... Sep 22 2008, 12:01 AM
Cain QUOTE Karma is more numbers, yes...but you know, I... Sep 22 2008, 12:27 AM
Dr. Funkenstein QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 21 2008, 07:27 PM) That... Sep 22 2008, 12:52 AM
Cain QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 21 2008, 05... Sep 22 2008, 01:42 AM
Dr. Funkenstein Well no, they don't create characters that are... Sep 22 2008, 01:52 AM
Cain QUOTE On the plus side, typing up the basics of th... Sep 22 2008, 02:21 AM
Dr. Funkenstein QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 21 2008, 08:21 PM) That... Sep 22 2008, 02:51 AM
Cain QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 21 2008, 06... Sep 22 2008, 04:28 AM
Falconer Cain:
You could always just refer them to karma ad... Sep 22 2008, 05:35 AM
Samoth Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd b... May 13 2010, 12:38 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 02:38 PM) If... May 13 2010, 01:42 PM
Samoth QUOTE (Mäx @ May 13 2010, 02:42 PM) Cons... May 13 2010, 02:25 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 04:25 PM) Ca... May 13 2010, 06:11 PM
Samoth QUOTE (Mäx @ May 13 2010, 07:11 PM) Bein... May 13 2010, 06:13 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Samoth @ May 13 2010, 08:13 PM) Th... May 13 2010, 08:02 PM
Falconer Udoshi... look when that post was made... it's... May 13 2010, 10:23 PM
Udoshi QUOTE (Falconer @ May 13 2010, 03:23 PM) ... May 14 2010, 03:30 AM
Karoline Max amount of karma you can get out of the BP syst... May 13 2010, 10:28 PM
Falconer The ONLY way to get that much karma out of the BP ... May 13 2010, 10:50 PM
Karoline QUOTE (Falconer @ May 13 2010, 05:50 PM) ... May 13 2010, 11:22 PM
Cthulhudreams To me the ultimate test is what is the karma and B... May 14 2010, 12:07 AM
Karoline QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ May 13 2010, 07:07... May 14 2010, 02:03 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Karoline @ May 14 2010, 04:03 AM) ... May 14 2010, 08:27 AM
Karoline QUOTE (Mäx @ May 14 2010, 04:27 AM) Now ... May 14 2010, 02:50 PM
Glyph Karmagen with the German rules comes closer to 400... May 14 2010, 02:18 AM
Ancient History T'be fair, the German rules did include my err... May 14 2010, 02:34 AM
Falconer Yes, and if the troll/orc chooses NOT to raise Str... May 14 2010, 03:43 AM![]() ![]() |
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