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post Sep 16 2008, 04:02 AM
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While talking to my GM (Matsci) about the backup character I'm working on, he mentioned the consensus on Dumpshock that Mystic Adepts suck. I seem to remember reading posts to that effect, although I can't find any with the search now.

The thing is, I disagree. I'm still fairly new to the game, but alot of my builds have been mystic adepts--mainly because it's one of the cheapest ways for an awakened character to get extra IP's.

Drugs technically are the cheapest, but there's limitations, side effects, and relatively short durations on anything that gives you more than 1 extra pass. Not the best option, IMO.

Then there's spells. Unlike every other IP booster in the game, the Increase Reflexes spell doesn't increase Reaction--just initiative and initiative passes. So although you get more actions, you don't get any better at avoiding attacks. You'd need two spells, (requiring two complex actions) to get the same effect, and sustaining them puts you at -4 to everything you do. Sustaining foci can take care of this but they light up the astral, can be taken away from you, still don't solve the problem of requiring two complex actions to cast the spells, ect.

That leaves 'ware and adept powers. Cyber- and Bioware cut into your magic due to essence loss, and also cut into your funds. By comparison, going mystic adept and picking up Improved Reflexes takes the same sized chunk out of your magic as standard-grade Cyberware, costs nothing, and gives you 5 extra BP in exchange for the astral perception and projection abilities a full magician has.

Here's a comparison of all three types of permanent IP augmentations:

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Improved Reflexes 1 [Adept Power]
Magic cost: 2
Nuyen cost: 0Â¥
Total cost: 20 BP at chargen

Improved Reflexes 2 [Adept Power]
Magic cost: 3
Nuyen cost: 0Â¥
Total cost: 30 BP at chargen

Improved Reflexes 3 [Adept Power]
Magic cost: 5
Nuyen cost: 0Â¥
Total cost: 50 BP at chargen

Wired Reflexes 1 [Cyberware]
Magic cost: 2 (2 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 11,000Â¥
Total cost: 22.2 BP at chargen

Wired Reflexes 2 [Cyberware]
Magic cost: 3 (3 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 32,000Â¥
Total cost: 36.4 BP at chargen

Wired Reflexes 3 [Cyberware]
Magic cost: 5 (5 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 100,000Â¥
Total cost: 70 BP at chargen (Requires the 5BP Restricted Gear Quality)

Synaptic Booster 1 [Bioware]
Magic cost: 1 (0.5 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 80,000Â¥
Total cost: 26 BP at chargen

Synaptic Booster 2 [Bioware]
Magic cost: 1 (1 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 160,000Â¥
Total cost: 42 BP at chargen

Synaptic Booster 3 [Bioware]
Magic cost: 2 (1.5 Essence)
Nuyen cost: 240,000Â¥
Total cost: 68 BP at chargen (Requires the 5BP Restricted Gear Quality)

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Getting better grade ware can shift some of the Essence/Magic cost to nuyen, but only Deltaware can make a big enough difference to actually change how many magic points you lose, and it's not available at chargen. Even going full magician and using spells and sustaining foci is going to cost you more than the Adept Power route, unless you have a really low Reaction stat--and that's not counting the 5 BP mark-up for taking Magician instead of Mystic Adept.

I'm not saying it's for everybody, but a Mystic Adept with Improved Reflexes and a few choice combat spells can outperform a cyber or bio-enhanced street sam for less BP--and with initiation, has the potential to become an excellent caster as well. Long term, you're looking at a fragging monster.

Sure, only having 2-3 points of magic to throw into spells isn't much, but with the right combination of spells and skillpoints (and maybe a foci or mentor spirit if you really wanna' get twinky) you've got a magic pistol that never runs out of ammo and ignores armor and full defense.

In summation, when done right, mystic adepts kick ass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[edit] Fixed Synaptic Booster 3 essence cost [/edit]
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- Rad   Mystic Adepts: Suck?   Sep 16 2008, 04:02 AM
- - Platinum Dragon   To be honest, I wouldn't even consider Wired f...   Sep 16 2008, 04:22 AM
|- - Rad   Hmm, a lot of replies, but also alot of flawed arg...   Sep 20 2008, 07:20 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 20 2008, 12:20 AM) One t...   Sep 20 2008, 11:18 AM
- - Glyph   There are good reasons to play a mystic adept, but...   Sep 16 2008, 04:37 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   There are reasons to play as a Mystic Adept, but I...   Sep 16 2008, 05:24 AM
- - toturi   If you want to do the cost analysis of the various...   Sep 16 2008, 07:11 AM
|- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (toturi @ Sep 16 2008, 05:11 PM) If...   Sep 17 2008, 02:30 AM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 16 2008, 07:02 AM) Synap...   Sep 16 2008, 08:27 AM
- - HappyDaze   Your costs for nuyen seem off since 1 BP = 5,000 n...   Sep 16 2008, 01:32 PM
- - Angier   Cast improved Reflexes and sustain it without a fo...   Sep 16 2008, 01:38 PM
- - Kairo   I've got a 400 BP Mystic Adept and he's po...   Sep 16 2008, 02:04 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   My problem with Mystic Adepts is that the main con...   Sep 17 2008, 04:21 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 16 2008, 09...   Sep 19 2008, 09:49 PM
- - darthmord   They don't seem to be bad if the rules are use...   Sep 19 2008, 08:22 PM
- - Stahlseele   mystic adepts would not suck quite that hard, if y...   Sep 19 2008, 09:33 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE The Improved Reflexes power is not "hor...   Sep 20 2008, 08:13 AM
- - WeaverMount   First off there is the spirit of man sustaining tw...   Sep 20 2008, 08:30 AM
- - Rad   Extreme examples aren't the best, that's w...   Sep 20 2008, 10:46 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 20 2008, 05:46 AM) (2 Ma...   Sep 20 2008, 12:55 PM
- - Rad   QUOTE (Glyph @ Sep 20 2008, 03:18 AM) For...   Sep 20 2008, 01:46 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 20 2008, 04:46 PM) Avera...   Sep 20 2008, 03:13 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 20 2008, 06:46 AM) Sorry...   Sep 20 2008, 09:14 PM
|- - Rad   QUOTE (Glyph @ Sep 20 2008, 01:14 PM) I b...   Sep 21 2008, 12:12 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Rad @ Sep 20 2008, 08:12 PM) Again...   Sep 21 2008, 03:39 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 20 2008, 07:39 PM) you ...   Sep 21 2008, 04:30 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE @ 3 BP a piece, spells cost a bit more than ...   Sep 20 2008, 03:32 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Who uses light pistols with standart rounds,...   Sep 20 2008, 03:35 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Sep 20 2008, 06:35 PM)...   Sep 20 2008, 03:49 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Why are even those guys using light pistols,...   Sep 20 2008, 04:03 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Sep 20 2008, 07:03 PM)...   Sep 20 2008, 08:36 PM
- - WeaverMount   QUOTE Barring insane twinkery, you're probably...   Sep 20 2008, 07:58 PM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Sep 20 2008, 01:58 P...   Sep 20 2008, 08:47 PM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Sep 20 2008, 04...   Sep 20 2008, 09:02 PM
- - Ryu   1) Drain Resistance is independant of the Magic at...   Sep 20 2008, 09:39 PM
- - WeaverMount   One of the other big reasons to go with channeling...   Sep 21 2008, 01:03 AM
- - Falconer   I'm not a huge fan of possession traditions my...   Sep 21 2008, 02:29 AM
- - Glyph   The numbers are close to the expected values - for...   Sep 21 2008, 06:32 AM


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