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Neraph
post Oct 27 2008, 04:24 PM
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The critter form spell states that it functions like the Shapechange spell "...,but only aloows the subject to change into a specific non-paranormal animal." (SR4, pg. 204, emphasis added).

Obviously, a Bear Form spell exists, and a Wolf Form, Eagle Form, oreven an Aardvark Form spell exists, but I ask you, can a Troll Form, Dwarf Form, or Human Form spell exist? I say they can, and I will show you why.

As already stated, all the spell looks for is a specific, non-paranormal animal. So, any creature of the Animal Kingdom works. We know a bear works, but why does it work? Here's why (http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=621850). As we can see, bears have a specific taxonomic hierarchy, also known as a Linnaean Classification. So any taxonomic or Linnaean classification that results in a creature within the Animal Kingdom is a viable option for the purposes of this spell.

I present to you the Homo sapiens' taxonomical classification: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/Sing...ch_value=180092. Here is an easier representation: http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/table_humans.htm. Therefore, a Human Spell is a viable option. But are trolls, orks, or elves?

Yes, and here's why. Starting in SR4, pg. 65, they give a brief rundown on Metahumanity, and they describe all the different metavariants. The clincher is that they give an additional Linnaeas Classification surname onto Dwarves, Elves, Orks, Trolls, and Humans. That places them firmly into the realm of organisms in the animal kingdom, and fully within the realm of the (Critter) Form spell.
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- Neraph   (Critter) Form   Oct 27 2008, 04:24 PM
- - Ancient History   Uh, you know that paracritters have scientific nam...   Oct 27 2008, 04:27 PM
- - Neraph   Yes, but it specifically states that you neewd a n...   Oct 27 2008, 04:41 PM
- - Ancient History   I'm not quite seeing your logic here. Non-para...   Oct 27 2008, 04:49 PM
- - Neraph   The reason is in the text of the spell itself, whi...   Oct 27 2008, 04:54 PM
- - Ancient History   Which brings us back to my point, i.e. your logic ...   Oct 27 2008, 04:58 PM
- - Neraph   At the very least, my explanation above establishe...   Oct 27 2008, 05:02 PM
- - Backgammon   It really doesn't dude. The rule of the spell ...   Oct 27 2008, 05:18 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Oct 27 2008, 12:18 PM...   Oct 27 2008, 05:29 PM
- - Neraph   The spell name is (Critter) Form, but the text say...   Oct 27 2008, 05:33 PM
- - Ravor   Of course, you run into a major hitch in your ...   Oct 27 2008, 05:57 PM
- - Neraph   HUMANS ARE NOT CRITTERS! THE CRITTER FORM SPEL...   Oct 27 2008, 05:59 PM
- - Ravor   So? Metahumans are Namegivers and are thus not inc...   Oct 27 2008, 06:03 PM
- - Neraph   Can you quote a page number/book reference, or is ...   Oct 27 2008, 06:05 PM
- - Ravor   If you want a specific reference ask Ancient Histo...   Oct 27 2008, 06:09 PM
- - Neraph   Allright, so we've determined that there are n...   Oct 27 2008, 06:17 PM
- - Ancient History   There's no rule prohibiting you from creating ...   Oct 27 2008, 06:45 PM
- - Machiavelli   Besides that, I have some additional side-of-view ...   Oct 27 2008, 07:11 PM
- - Fortune   As a point of interest, Dragons can use the Shapec...   Oct 27 2008, 07:27 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Fortune @ Oct 27 2008, 02:27 PM) A...   Oct 27 2008, 07:42 PM
- - Fortune   You are correct in that canon does indeed list Met...   Oct 27 2008, 08:08 PM
- - Neraph   Oh, what do you know. Neat. Thanks a ton Fortune.   Oct 27 2008, 10:11 PM
- - Tarantula   You say that shapechange says critter, but critter...   Oct 27 2008, 10:17 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Oct 27 2008, 05:17 PM)...   Oct 27 2008, 10:35 PM
- - Tarantula   Ok. Well, then the spell also explicitly states t...   Oct 27 2008, 10:46 PM
- - hyzmarca   There are two ways to rule it such that it is neit...   Oct 27 2008, 11:00 PM
- - WeaverMount   This question is question of terms, Critter, para-...   Oct 27 2008, 11:09 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Oct 27 2008, 06:09 P...   Oct 27 2008, 11:22 PM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Oct 27 2008, 07:09 P...   Oct 28 2008, 02:58 AM
|- - Tarantula   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 27 2008, 08:58 PM) ...   Oct 28 2008, 02:42 PM
- - Ravor   Hmm, I could'of sworn that the term Namegiver ...   Oct 28 2008, 01:22 AM
- - Ancient History   Stop that. How can I get any sleep with people inv...   Oct 28 2008, 01:29 AM
- - AngelisStorm   That's amazing! So if we stand in a dark ...   Oct 28 2008, 01:50 AM
- - Glyph   Humans may technically be part of the animal kingd...   Oct 29 2008, 02:41 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Glyph @ Oct 28 2008, 10:41 PM) Hum...   Oct 29 2008, 05:15 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Glyph @ Oct 28 2008, 09:41 PM) Hum...   Oct 29 2008, 03:16 PM
- - hyzmarca   Physical Mask work for that.   Oct 29 2008, 06:02 AM
- - WeaverMount   The issue with that is how resistance works. Obser...   Oct 29 2008, 07:35 AM
- - Tarantula   20-30 people making resistance checks with 1-6 dic...   Oct 29 2008, 01:19 PM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Oct 29 2008, 09:19 AM)...   Oct 30 2008, 03:09 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Oct 29 2008, 11:09 P...   Oct 30 2008, 03:38 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 29 2008, 11:38 PM) ...   Oct 30 2008, 05:11 AM
- - Glyph   If you want a Mystique-style shapeshifter, you cou...   Oct 30 2008, 04:10 AM
- - Fortune   I have no real problem with Shapechange turning a ...   Oct 30 2008, 05:27 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Fortune @ Oct 30 2008, 01:27 AM) I...   Oct 30 2008, 06:24 AM
- - Fortune   The buffs you mention pump up the totally average ...   Oct 30 2008, 06:38 AM
- - WeaverMount   I'm scared of the squishy mage that shifts int...   Oct 30 2008, 06:43 AM
- - Fortune   Not much different than him turning into a bear. K...   Oct 30 2008, 12:49 PM
- - Ravor   Actually even if you would allow the spell to chan...   Oct 30 2008, 01:13 PM
- - Fortune   Shrug. As a GM, I don't really need to resort ...   Oct 30 2008, 01:22 PM
- - Ravor   Sure, but the entire point of this thread is the O...   Oct 30 2008, 01:32 PM
- - Fortune   Your post directly followed mine, and had no quote...   Oct 30 2008, 01:40 PM


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