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HappyDaze
post May 31 2009, 03:24 PM
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Like the title says, I've come to hate FFBA. It's not because it allows for higher armor values - I know how deadly SR4 can be and I'm all for increased survivability. What I hate is that per RAW, it's the only worn armor that stacks with other worn armor. Somehow it's just that special and thus it becomes a must-have item for everyone. I hate the idea of a must-have item.

Now there are pleanty of other armors that should be able to be worn together. The Armor Vest says it can be worn under clothing (which should include Armor Clothing), while Armor Clothing could surely be worn under a Lined Coat or Armor Jacket. So logically there's no problem with stacking armor.

So, what does FFBA do mechanically that we can use and how can we adjust the armor system overall?

Features of FFBA:
#1 It's armor value stacks with other worn armor.
#2 It's armor value only counts as half for determining armor encumbrance.

In my games I decided to extend #1 to all worn armor. Now #2 is the sole special feature of FFBA - that it's less encumbering to wear layered under other armor, but with the restriction that only one piece of FFBA can be worn. This has increased the variety of armor types employed by our PCs (and the NPCs) which was the goal.

As a second rule, I adjust armor encumbrance up to (Ballistic + Impact) rather than just the higher of the two. A character can wear (Body + Strength) x 2 points before taking penalties to Agility and Reaction. Each 2 points (round up) past that provides -1 penalties to Agility and Reaction.
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- HappyDaze   I Hate Form-Fitting Body Armor   May 31 2009, 03:24 PM
- - KCKitsune   I know that I might not have read the rules that w...   May 31 2009, 03:55 PM
- - Stahlseele   That's what the Hardcover Version of Shadowrun...   May 31 2009, 05:21 PM
- - Larme   Not a bad rule, IMO. Logically, wearing two armor...   May 31 2009, 06:23 PM
|- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (Larme @ May 31 2009, 11:23 AM) I d...   May 31 2009, 07:08 PM
- - kzt   RL, actually running with two layers of armor isn...   May 31 2009, 06:37 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (kzt @ May 31 2009, 07:37 PM) RL, a...   Jun 1 2009, 10:14 AM
|- - Larme   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 1 2009, 05...   Jun 1 2009, 02:33 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 1 2009, 03...   Jun 1 2009, 03:10 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 1 2009, 05...   Jun 1 2009, 10:04 PM
- - HappyDaze   A few examples of armor combinations I've used...   Jun 1 2009, 02:12 AM
- - Method   The math is certainly more straight forward (just ...   Jun 1 2009, 03:43 AM
- - Psikerlord   I don't like FFBA either, mainly because yeah ...   Jun 1 2009, 03:47 AM
- - HappyDaze   Every 2 (round up) that you exceed by amounts to t...   Jun 1 2009, 03:54 AM
|- - Octopiii   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ May 31 2009, 07:54 PM)...   Jun 1 2009, 06:28 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   FFBA is just a stealth buff to body armour. You c...   Jun 1 2009, 06:25 AM
- - HappyDaze   The basic math is too much? It's not really a...   Jun 1 2009, 06:30 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE What I'm not sure of is how Patches went...   Jun 1 2009, 11:00 AM
- - Traul   Per RAW, Patches could have had : - Armor Jacket ...   Jun 1 2009, 12:48 PM
- - HappyDaze   There's a bit more to add: Gel Packs (+1/+1) ...   Jun 1 2009, 12:59 PM
- - Raizer   I too had a dislike for Form Fit Armor in my campa...   Jun 1 2009, 03:01 PM
- - Draco18s   Meh, just add on about 3" of water around you...   Jun 1 2009, 04:48 PM
- - kzt   You need a lot more than 3 inches. http://mythbus...   Jun 1 2009, 05:06 PM
- - darthmord   Mythbusters did a special on shooting guns into wa...   Jun 1 2009, 05:14 PM
- - Malachi   The only tweak I made to FFBA in my game was that ...   Jun 1 2009, 08:49 PM
- - Draco18s   Reactive Armor in game terms is smart armor, or mo...   Jun 1 2009, 10:36 PM
- - Draco18s   Reactive Armor in game terms is smart armor, or mo...   Jun 1 2009, 10:36 PM
- - HappyDaze   For those that want to argue that layers of soft a...   Jun 1 2009, 11:14 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 1 2009, 04:14 PM) ...   Jun 1 2009, 11:45 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 1 2009, 07:14 PM) ...   Jun 1 2009, 11:51 PM
|- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Jun 1 2009, 04:51 PM)...   Jun 2 2009, 02:14 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 1 2009, 09:14...   Jun 2 2009, 02:29 AM
||- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Jun 1 2009, 07:29 PM)...   Jun 2 2009, 04:37 AM
||- - kzt   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 1 2009, 09:37...   Jun 2 2009, 04:42 AM
|||- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 1 2009, 09:42 PM) And ho...   Jun 2 2009, 06:27 AM
||- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 1 2009, 11:37...   Jun 2 2009, 01:01 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 1 2009, 07:14...   Jun 2 2009, 02:39 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE The main issue you have with real life armor...   Jun 1 2009, 11:49 PM
|- - Traul   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 2 2009, 01:49 AM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 02:48 AM
- - Method   Along the same lines: I was suggesting that if you...   Jun 2 2009, 03:04 AM
- - Bob Lord of Evil   In RL, soft body armor does stop 'some' bu...   Jun 2 2009, 09:58 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Bob Lord of Evil @ Jun 2 2009, 05...   Jun 2 2009, 11:09 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Jun 2 2009, 06:09 AM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 01:21 PM
- - tsuyoshikentsu   Yes, because it's the future and they solved t...   Jun 2 2009, 10:03 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   I personally consider this scenario to be facial b...   Jun 2 2009, 01:20 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Jun 2 2009, 08:20 ...   Jun 2 2009, 01:36 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Jun 2 2009, 06:20 ...   Jun 3 2009, 04:36 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 2 2009, 11:36 PM) Sure. ...   Jun 3 2009, 04:54 AM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 2 2009, 11:36 PM) Sure. ...   Jun 3 2009, 07:24 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Jun 3 2009, 02:24 ...   Jun 3 2009, 02:12 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   I think you've missed the point of the orginia...   Jun 2 2009, 02:51 PM
- - Kerenshara   Is this the quote you're referring to? It...   Jun 2 2009, 03:03 PM
|- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Jun 2 2009, 07:03 AM)...   Jun 2 2009, 07:18 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 2 2009, 02:18...   Jun 2 2009, 08:53 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Jun 2 2009, 01:53 PM)...   Jun 3 2009, 02:35 AM
- - Warlordtheft   I hate the layering of armor as well. 1st-it defea...   Jun 2 2009, 04:03 PM
- - Bob Lord of Evil   QUOTE (tsuyoshikentsu @ Jun 2 2009, 10:03...   Jun 2 2009, 05:20 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Out of the armor listed, one is stated to be...   Jun 2 2009, 06:13 PM
- - Bob Lord of Evil   I didn't look in Arsenal, so I stand corrected...   Jun 2 2009, 06:28 PM
- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Bob Lord of Evil @ Jun 2 2009, 12...   Jun 2 2009, 06:43 PM
- - Crusher Bob   The main thing that prevents the gunless shadowrun...   Jun 3 2009, 04:11 AM
- - Crusher Bob   And since we seem to have picked up plenty of new ...   Jun 3 2009, 04:14 AM
- - ElFenrir   I have to say I like Happy's armor stacking ru...   Jun 3 2009, 09:08 AM
- - HappyDaze   Uh-oh... ElFenir, you're actually on-topic. ...   Jun 3 2009, 01:19 PM


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