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SOLVED! SEE POSTS BELOW. THANKS FOR THE HELP EVERYONE.

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like a standard 400bp starting character is way overpowered if they are a mage/shaman who's good at summoning.

For example, an Elf shaman with high charisma and summoning (built for summoning basically) skill can summon force 6 spirits pretty much indefinitely unless he gets unlucky on some drain resist checks.

Summon a Force 6 Spirit
- Elf rolls Magic + Summoning = 12
- average successes = 4
- Spirit rolls Force = 6
- average successes = 2
- average services owed to Elf = 2
- average drain value = 4
- Elf rolls Charisma + Willpower = 13 to resist drain
- average successes = 4
- Elf now has Force 6 spirit; took 1 combat round to summon; Elf took no drain

Force 6 Spirit
- has armor 12 (physical/stun damage value must exceed 12 to harm it at all)
- if damage value exceeds 12, spirit still gets 12 added to soak pool
- it can blast or bash or grapple targets until they are all dead
- Elf picks 2 optional spirit powers when summoned for added utility or deadliness
- attackers can use their Willpower to fight the spirit

This Elf shaman can summon up to 8 of these and unleash them all at once to lay waste to foes. A character not maximized for summoning could summon these spirits at force 4 or 5 and have 6 of them.

Am I missing something that would prevent spirit summoners from completely ruining every game with their spirit servants?
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- Aedosen   Summoning Spirits So Over-Powered It's Broken?   Sep 10 2009, 02:26 PM
- - Blind Guardian   You're definitely missing something. QUOTE (...   Sep 10 2009, 02:51 PM
|- - Aedosen   QUOTE (Blind Guardian @ Sep 10 2009, 08:5...   Sep 10 2009, 03:22 PM
|- - Aedosen   Omg, Blind Guardian, you rock. That's the mis...   Sep 10 2009, 03:24 PM
- - Dragnar   Spirits are cheaper than drones. Mid-force spirits...   Sep 10 2009, 02:56 PM
- - eidolon   Banishing has gotten considerably easier (and is v...   Sep 10 2009, 03:08 PM
|- - Dragnar   QUOTE (eidolon @ Sep 10 2009, 05:08 PM) B...   Sep 10 2009, 03:16 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Dragnar @ Sep 10 2009, 10:16 AM) T...   Sep 10 2009, 04:57 PM
|- - Apathy   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Sep 10 2009, 12:5...   Sep 10 2009, 05:22 PM
- - Kumo   Sr4: QUOTE Magician may only have one unbound spir...   Sep 10 2009, 03:09 PM
- - Blind Guardian   Always glad to help. It's rare that I get a ch...   Sep 10 2009, 04:35 PM
- - Bleifalke   So a spirit has 2xF armor AND takes no dmg if the ...   Sep 10 2009, 07:35 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:35 PM)...   Sep 10 2009, 07:51 PM
- - eidolon   You're certainly free to do that. Part of the ...   Sep 10 2009, 07:49 PM
- - Bleifalke   1% of the population is awakened, say about half o...   Sep 10 2009, 08:13 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:13 PM)...   Sep 10 2009, 08:32 PM
- - DWC   Spirit immunity is no different from vehicular arm...   Sep 10 2009, 08:24 PM
- - Ravor   Something else to remember is that ( Force 6+ ) sp...   Sep 10 2009, 08:27 PM
- - Bleifalke   Ok, thanks, I thought at first that only the base ...   Sep 10 2009, 08:33 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:33 PM)...   Sep 10 2009, 08:49 PM
|- - Bleifalke   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:49...   Sep 10 2009, 08:54 PM
- - Ravor   As much as I hate it, SnS works wonders on spirits...   Sep 10 2009, 08:41 PM
|- - DWC   QUOTE (Ravor @ Sep 10 2009, 03:41 PM) As ...   Sep 10 2009, 08:46 PM
- - Bleifalke   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:32...   Sep 10 2009, 08:45 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:45 PM)...   Sep 10 2009, 08:55 PM
|- - Bleifalke   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:55...   Sep 10 2009, 09:14 PM
- - Ravor   Actually I can see Mages trending more towards a l...   Sep 10 2009, 08:52 PM
- - Anythingforenoughnuyen   I believe that there was some talk about this in a...   Sep 10 2009, 08:57 PM
- - Cain   Doc Funk put it this way: about 1 in every 100 peo...   Sep 11 2009, 02:17 AM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 10 2009, 09:17 PM) Doc ...   Sep 11 2009, 02:33 AM
- - Krypter   I'm with Bleifalke on the long odds of shadowr...   Sep 11 2009, 03:11 AM
- - eidolon   They can...if they have a SIN. If they are in and ...   Sep 11 2009, 03:24 AM
- - Bull   Frankly, the fact that anyone with any skills or t...   Sep 11 2009, 03:46 AM
|- - Tyro   Shadowrunning means never having to say "I...   Sep 11 2009, 04:09 AM
- - Dragnar   People seem to think 1 in 100 is a low number, but...   Sep 11 2009, 04:52 AM
- - Bull   It's actually 1 in 1000, BTW, that is magicall...   Sep 11 2009, 05:03 AM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Bull @ Sep 11 2009, 05:03 AM) It...   Sep 11 2009, 11:45 AM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Bull @ Sep 11 2009, 01:03 AM) It...   Sep 11 2009, 12:16 PM
- - Dragnar   Weren't those the old SR2 (or even 1) numbers?...   Sep 11 2009, 05:14 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Dragnar @ Sep 10 2009, 11:14 PM) W...   Sep 11 2009, 05:36 AM
- - McAllister   The only way to preserve my personal sanity while ...   Sep 11 2009, 05:23 AM
- - Cain   And then there was Magic In The Shadows, which had...   Sep 11 2009, 06:00 AM
- - Bleifalke   @At Bull and Cain, what you say is correct and in ...   Sep 11 2009, 07:04 AM
- - Bull   You know, I'll be damned if I can remember whe...   Sep 11 2009, 06:20 PM
- - Bleifalke   150 000, thats for 30 million going by the percent...   Sep 11 2009, 07:14 PM
- - Warlordtheft   So let's go with that anology of 1% magically ...   Sep 11 2009, 07:51 PM
- - Ravor   Actually it's not a 50/50 split between Mages ...   Sep 12 2009, 03:46 AM
- - kzt   Presumably because the increasing mana level has m...   Sep 12 2009, 05:40 AM
- - Warlordtheft   I assumed 50/50. Just like the astro physisicists...   Sep 12 2009, 06:28 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (Street Magic; page 8 )Fact is, even in our ...   Sep 12 2009, 07:45 PM
- - Degausser   Spirits have always been a bit of a problem in SR,...   Sep 12 2009, 08:02 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Degausser @ Sep 12 2009, 02:02 PM)...   Sep 12 2009, 09:31 PM
- - eidolon   Degausser, you're thinking of Binding. A criti...   Sep 13 2009, 12:39 AM


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