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SOLVED! SEE POSTS BELOW. THANKS FOR THE HELP EVERYONE.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like a standard 400bp starting character is way overpowered if they are a mage/shaman who's good at summoning. For example, an Elf shaman with high charisma and summoning (built for summoning basically) skill can summon force 6 spirits pretty much indefinitely unless he gets unlucky on some drain resist checks. Summon a Force 6 Spirit - Elf rolls Magic + Summoning = 12 - average successes = 4 - Spirit rolls Force = 6 - average successes = 2 - average services owed to Elf = 2 - average drain value = 4 - Elf rolls Charisma + Willpower = 13 to resist drain - average successes = 4 - Elf now has Force 6 spirit; took 1 combat round to summon; Elf took no drain Force 6 Spirit - has armor 12 (physical/stun damage value must exceed 12 to harm it at all) - if damage value exceeds 12, spirit still gets 12 added to soak pool - it can blast or bash or grapple targets until they are all dead - Elf picks 2 optional spirit powers when summoned for added utility or deadliness - attackers can use their Willpower to fight the spirit This Elf shaman can summon up to 8 of these and unleash them all at once to lay waste to foes. A character not maximized for summoning could summon these spirits at force 4 or 5 and have 6 of them. Am I missing something that would prevent spirit summoners from completely ruining every game with their spirit servants? |
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Aedosen Summoning Spirits So Over-Powered It's Broken? Sep 10 2009, 02:26 PM
Blind Guardian You're definitely missing something.
QUOTE (... Sep 10 2009, 02:51 PM
Aedosen QUOTE (Blind Guardian @ Sep 10 2009, 08:5... Sep 10 2009, 03:22 PM
Aedosen Omg, Blind Guardian, you rock. That's the mis... Sep 10 2009, 03:24 PM
Dragnar Spirits are cheaper than drones. Mid-force spirits... Sep 10 2009, 02:56 PM
eidolon Banishing has gotten considerably easier (and is v... Sep 10 2009, 03:08 PM
Dragnar QUOTE (eidolon @ Sep 10 2009, 05:08 PM) B... Sep 10 2009, 03:16 PM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (Dragnar @ Sep 10 2009, 10:16 AM) T... Sep 10 2009, 04:57 PM
Apathy QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Sep 10 2009, 12:5... Sep 10 2009, 05:22 PM
Kumo Sr4:
QUOTE Magician may only have one unbound spir... Sep 10 2009, 03:09 PM
Blind Guardian Always glad to help. It's rare that I get a ch... Sep 10 2009, 04:35 PM
Bleifalke So a spirit has 2xF armor AND takes no dmg if the ... Sep 10 2009, 07:35 PM
kzt QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:35 PM)... Sep 10 2009, 07:51 PM
eidolon You're certainly free to do that. Part of the ... Sep 10 2009, 07:49 PM
Bleifalke 1% of the population is awakened, say about half o... Sep 10 2009, 08:13 PM
Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:13 PM)... Sep 10 2009, 08:32 PM
DWC Spirit immunity is no different from vehicular arm... Sep 10 2009, 08:24 PM
Ravor Something else to remember is that ( Force 6+ ) sp... Sep 10 2009, 08:27 PM
Bleifalke Ok, thanks, I thought at first that only the base ... Sep 10 2009, 08:33 PM
Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:33 PM)... Sep 10 2009, 08:49 PM
Bleifalke QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:49... Sep 10 2009, 08:54 PM
Ravor As much as I hate it, SnS works wonders on spirits... Sep 10 2009, 08:41 PM
DWC QUOTE (Ravor @ Sep 10 2009, 03:41 PM) As ... Sep 10 2009, 08:46 PM
Bleifalke QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:32... Sep 10 2009, 08:45 PM
Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Bleifalke @ Sep 10 2009, 01:45 PM)... Sep 10 2009, 08:55 PM
Bleifalke QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Sep 10 2009, 10:55... Sep 10 2009, 09:14 PM
Ravor Actually I can see Mages trending more towards a l... Sep 10 2009, 08:52 PM
Anythingforenoughnuyen I believe that there was some talk about this in a... Sep 10 2009, 08:57 PM
Cain Doc Funk put it this way: about 1 in every 100 peo... Sep 11 2009, 02:17 AM
Bull QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 10 2009, 09:17 PM) Doc ... Sep 11 2009, 02:33 AM
Krypter I'm with Bleifalke on the long odds of shadowr... Sep 11 2009, 03:11 AM
eidolon They can...if they have a SIN. If they are in and ... Sep 11 2009, 03:24 AM
Bull Frankly, the fact that anyone with any skills or t... Sep 11 2009, 03:46 AM
Tyro Shadowrunning means never having to say "I... Sep 11 2009, 04:09 AM
Dragnar People seem to think 1 in 100 is a low number, but... Sep 11 2009, 04:52 AM
Bull It's actually 1 in 1000, BTW, that is magicall... Sep 11 2009, 05:03 AM
Rasumichin QUOTE (Bull @ Sep 11 2009, 05:03 AM) It... Sep 11 2009, 11:45 AM
darthmord QUOTE (Bull @ Sep 11 2009, 01:03 AM) It... Sep 11 2009, 12:16 PM
Dragnar Weren't those the old SR2 (or even 1) numbers?... Sep 11 2009, 05:14 AM
kzt QUOTE (Dragnar @ Sep 10 2009, 11:14 PM) W... Sep 11 2009, 05:36 AM
McAllister The only way to preserve my personal sanity while ... Sep 11 2009, 05:23 AM
Cain And then there was Magic In The Shadows, which had... Sep 11 2009, 06:00 AM
Bleifalke @At Bull and Cain, what you say is correct and in ... Sep 11 2009, 07:04 AM
Bull You know, I'll be damned if I can remember whe... Sep 11 2009, 06:20 PM
Bleifalke 150 000, thats for 30 million going by the percent... Sep 11 2009, 07:14 PM
Warlordtheft So let's go with that anology of 1% magically ... Sep 11 2009, 07:51 PM
Ravor Actually it's not a 50/50 split between Mages ... Sep 12 2009, 03:46 AM
kzt Presumably because the increasing mana level has m... Sep 12 2009, 05:40 AM
Warlordtheft I assumed 50/50. Just like the astro physisicists... Sep 12 2009, 06:28 PM
Ravor QUOTE (Street Magic; page 8 )Fact is, even in our ... Sep 12 2009, 07:45 PM
Degausser Spirits have always been a bit of a problem in SR,... Sep 12 2009, 08:02 PM
kzt QUOTE (Degausser @ Sep 12 2009, 02:02 PM)... Sep 12 2009, 09:31 PM
eidolon Degausser, you're thinking of Binding. A criti... Sep 13 2009, 12:39 AM![]() ![]() |
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