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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Being the inquisitive person that I am, I've often wondered how armies in the 6th world are structured from a practical standpoint. The modern battlefield has physical, matrix-based, and magical components that, if not addressed, could be significantly exploited.

Carrying over from a previous thread, the discussion is natural, where does these special assets come from?

I've got a couple of theories I wanted to float out there and get some feedback.

THEORY 1: US Army 1990's (pre-BCT) model. Mages and matrix personnel are composed into their own battalions or possibly even brigades based on specialization (hearkening back to the DIVARTY, or division artillery, assets of the '90's) and then assigned battlespace or called in appropriately (i.e., a squad of hackers are told they have Matrix jurisdiction for a certain infantry company)

THEORY 2: US Army current (BCT era) model. Essentially, there are fewer concentrations of specialists, but more overall specialists, distributed at the Brigade Combat Team level. One BCT would have, say, a platoon of mages to distribute as they saw fit and a company of hackers for protection.

THEORY 3: British SAS model. Every man on the team/squad has an individual specialty, but is also a combat badass. This seems an unlikely model outside of Special Forces/Special Operations communities due to the purported scarcity of mages and the difficulty of getting a guy immersed in the matrix to perform other options seems a stretch at best, since VR would definitely be preferable over AR

THEORY 4: Platoon or Company-level assets model. Basically, every company gets a mage. Every platoon gets a hacker. This seems somewhat probable on a practical standpoint (Theory 2 would inevitably lead to this under most commanders) but unlikely from an organizational standpoint, even though as I've said previously, it's harmful to keep a bunch of prime movers and shakers (particularly mages) sequestered away from the guys they're going to be fighting with.

Now, besides the issue of support troops, I wanted to address from a more ceremonial standpoint, what Military Occupational Specialty does one receive if they are magically attuned?

I've already assumed that hackers and riggers will be Signal, since that's who currently handles information operations and system maintenance.

But for mages, here's my personal belief: Heavily combat-based mages would probably be branched Infantry, with most other mages having their entirely own branch: Magical Operations.

Interested in your thoughts on all of this. I know this post has a potential to be overly-jargony, and for that, I apologize, but am more than willing to explain anything within the post.
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- General Ripper   Military Forces in the 6th World   Dec 5 2009, 04:43 PM
- - Jericho Alar   If your Concern is specifically UCAS, I'd imag...   Dec 5 2009, 05:17 PM
- - Method   First I think you have to consider that there aren...   Dec 5 2009, 06:22 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Well, most registered adepts either follow a secur...   Dec 5 2009, 07:24 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 5 2009, 12...   Dec 6 2009, 05:37 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 6 2009, 02...   Dec 6 2009, 06:38 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 11...   Dec 6 2009, 06:48 PM
|- - explorator   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 6 2009, 12...   Dec 7 2009, 04:09 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (explorator @ Dec 7 2009, 09:09 AM)...   Dec 8 2009, 02:54 AM
- - LivingOxymoron   One thing to keep in mind too: With the decline o...   Dec 5 2009, 08:32 PM
- - kzt   It's hard to see how "everyone is the SAS...   Dec 5 2009, 10:54 PM
|- - LivingOxymoron   Not only that, most of the actual operators in uni...   Dec 5 2009, 11:06 PM
|- - General Ripper   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 5 2009, 05:54 PM) It...   Dec 6 2009, 01:05 AM
||- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (General Ripper @ Dec 5 2009, 09:05...   Dec 14 2009, 12:56 AM
|- - General Ripper   Double post, my bad.   Dec 6 2009, 01:05 AM
- - Jericho Alar   You have feeders; they're just not force proje...   Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM
- - hobgoblin   another thing to ponder is the number of mercenari...   Dec 6 2009, 01:24 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 5 2009, 06:24 PM) ...   Dec 6 2009, 05:21 AM
|- - Jericho Alar   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 6 2009, 12:21 AM) And wh...   Dec 6 2009, 05:54 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Jericho Alar @ Dec 5 2009, 10:54 P...   Dec 6 2009, 06:38 AM
|- - Jericho Alar   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 6 2009, 01:38 AM) ?? The...   Dec 6 2009, 07:10 AM
- - Hero   The national armies and mercenary companies would ...   Dec 6 2009, 06:56 AM
- - kzt   Actually DARPA is one of the key funders of mobile...   Dec 6 2009, 07:08 AM
- - hobgoblin   ok, the way i envisioned it was this: take ganger...   Dec 6 2009, 07:30 AM
- - Inane Imp   One would assume that the Desert Wars corps have t...   Dec 6 2009, 08:04 AM
- - kzt   Ok, that would work. But one of the reasons why t...   Dec 6 2009, 08:18 AM
- - Inane Imp   Absolutely, that 'trainee' corp isn't ...   Dec 6 2009, 01:38 PM
- - Method   As a RL aside, anyone read the profile of Erik Pri...   Dec 6 2009, 02:51 PM
- - FlakJacket   Wow, and the author of that article isn't bias...   Dec 6 2009, 05:29 PM
- - Inane Imp   The line signal operator probably only has enough ...   Dec 6 2009, 06:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 6 2009, 11:04 AM) ...   Dec 6 2009, 06:14 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Well, fair enough you have much more experience in...   Dec 6 2009, 07:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 12...   Dec 6 2009, 07:24 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 03...   Dec 7 2009, 02:48 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 7 2009, 03:48 P...   Dec 7 2009, 03:46 PM
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|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 7 2009, 05:37 P...   Dec 10 2009, 06:39 AM
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- - kzt   The insane cheapness of munitions, missiles, and d...   Dec 7 2009, 05:29 PM
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- - Apathy   Ultimately for any force, form follows function. A...   Dec 8 2009, 12:52 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Apathy @ Dec 8 2009, 01:52 AM) Ama...   Dec 8 2009, 07:20 AM
- - Inane Imp   QUOTE (Apathy @ Dec 8 2009, 12:52 AM) Sni...   Dec 8 2009, 02:07 AM
- - AngelisStorm   I would be really suprised if every infantry soldi...   Dec 8 2009, 06:12 AM
- - Hero   I still think the military would use the good old ...   Dec 9 2009, 07:48 AM
|- - Inane Imp   QUOTE (Hero @ Dec 9 2009, 07:48 AM) I sti...   Dec 9 2009, 02:04 PM
- - hobgoblin   err, what now? would that not basically be a case...   Dec 9 2009, 08:03 AM
|- - Hero   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 9 2009, 12:03 AM) ...   Dec 9 2009, 08:28 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Hero @ Dec 9 2009, 09:28 AM) Could...   Dec 9 2009, 10:42 AM
|- - Inane Imp   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 9 2009, 10:42 AM) ...   Dec 9 2009, 12:04 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 02:04 PM) ...   Dec 9 2009, 12:14 PM
- - Ascalaphus   I dunno.. using different standards doesn't re...   Dec 9 2009, 08:48 AM
- - BnF95   The army could commission mages outside of the reg...   Dec 9 2009, 09:07 AM
|- - Mercer   QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 10:07 AM) The ...   Dec 9 2009, 10:14 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 11:07 AM) Why ...   Dec 9 2009, 10:49 AM
|- - Inane Imp   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 9 2009, 10...   Dec 9 2009, 01:42 PM
|- - Mercer   QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 02:42 PM) ...   Dec 9 2009, 10:38 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Mercer @ Dec 9 2009, 05:38 PM) If ...   Dec 10 2009, 12:57 AM
- - BnF95   QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 09:42 PM) ...   Dec 10 2009, 05:00 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 10:00 PM) I do...   Dec 10 2009, 05:21 AM
- - Mercer   I think by 2072, we're getting to a point wher...   Dec 10 2009, 05:28 AM
- - hobgoblin   or maybe they go the LS way, and hand out doses of...   Dec 10 2009, 05:42 AM
- - BnF95   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 10 2009, 01:21 PM) They ...   Dec 10 2009, 06:19 AM
- - AngelisStorm   QUOTE (Manunancy @ Dec 10 2009, 02:39 AM)...   Dec 10 2009, 01:14 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Well, morphine addictions did rise as a result of ...   Dec 10 2009, 02:08 PM
- - Earlydawn   A couple thoughts. First of all, I think there...   Dec 14 2009, 03:49 AM
- - kzt   Ares has regular military forces per the fluff. T...   Dec 14 2009, 03:58 AM
- - AngelisStorm   I believe Corps don't have terribly large conv...   Dec 14 2009, 04:07 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   So, I was discussing this yesterday with Garou: ...   Dec 14 2009, 05:33 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 01...   Dec 14 2009, 05:53 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 14 2009, 02:53 ...   Dec 14 2009, 05:56 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 06...   Dec 14 2009, 06:20 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 14 2009, 03:20 PM...   Dec 14 2009, 06:45 PM
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|- - kzt   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 12...   Dec 14 2009, 10:49 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 07:49 PM) The b...   Dec 14 2009, 11:38 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 04...   Dec 15 2009, 12:08 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 09:08 PM) Nobod...   Dec 15 2009, 05:43 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 10...   Dec 15 2009, 06:09 AM
- - AngelisStorm   Tell me about it. Every time I post, I'm taki...   Dec 14 2009, 07:08 PM
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- - Whipstitch   Don't forget about simple endurance either-- a...   Dec 15 2009, 12:52 AM
- - Earlydawn   There's certainly a good argument on both side...   Dec 15 2009, 02:21 AM
- - AngelisStorm   QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 08:08 PM) Nobod...   Dec 15 2009, 04:04 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Dec 15 2009, 05:04 ...   Dec 15 2009, 10:17 AM
- - Ascalaphus   A significant advantage riggers have over pilot pr...   Dec 15 2009, 12:14 PM
- - hobgoblin   that would depend on the jammer being on the groun...   Dec 15 2009, 02:18 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 15 2009, 07:18 AM)...   Dec 15 2009, 06:50 PM
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