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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Being the inquisitive person that I am, I've often wondered how armies in the 6th world are structured from a practical standpoint. The modern battlefield has physical, matrix-based, and magical components that, if not addressed, could be significantly exploited. Carrying over from a previous thread, the discussion is natural, where does these special assets come from? I've got a couple of theories I wanted to float out there and get some feedback. THEORY 1: US Army 1990's (pre-BCT) model. Mages and matrix personnel are composed into their own battalions or possibly even brigades based on specialization (hearkening back to the DIVARTY, or division artillery, assets of the '90's) and then assigned battlespace or called in appropriately (i.e., a squad of hackers are told they have Matrix jurisdiction for a certain infantry company) THEORY 2: US Army current (BCT era) model. Essentially, there are fewer concentrations of specialists, but more overall specialists, distributed at the Brigade Combat Team level. One BCT would have, say, a platoon of mages to distribute as they saw fit and a company of hackers for protection. THEORY 3: British SAS model. Every man on the team/squad has an individual specialty, but is also a combat badass. This seems an unlikely model outside of Special Forces/Special Operations communities due to the purported scarcity of mages and the difficulty of getting a guy immersed in the matrix to perform other options seems a stretch at best, since VR would definitely be preferable over AR THEORY 4: Platoon or Company-level assets model. Basically, every company gets a mage. Every platoon gets a hacker. This seems somewhat probable on a practical standpoint (Theory 2 would inevitably lead to this under most commanders) but unlikely from an organizational standpoint, even though as I've said previously, it's harmful to keep a bunch of prime movers and shakers (particularly mages) sequestered away from the guys they're going to be fighting with. Now, besides the issue of support troops, I wanted to address from a more ceremonial standpoint, what Military Occupational Specialty does one receive if they are magically attuned? I've already assumed that hackers and riggers will be Signal, since that's who currently handles information operations and system maintenance. But for mages, here's my personal belief: Heavily combat-based mages would probably be branched Infantry, with most other mages having their entirely own branch: Magical Operations. Interested in your thoughts on all of this. I know this post has a potential to be overly-jargony, and for that, I apologize, but am more than willing to explain anything within the post. |
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General Ripper Military Forces in the 6th World Dec 5 2009, 04:43 PM
Jericho Alar If your Concern is specifically UCAS, I'd imag... Dec 5 2009, 05:17 PM
Method First I think you have to consider that there aren... Dec 5 2009, 06:22 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi Well, most registered adepts either follow a secur... Dec 5 2009, 07:24 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 5 2009, 12... Dec 6 2009, 05:37 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 6 2009, 02... Dec 6 2009, 06:38 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 11... Dec 6 2009, 06:48 PM
explorator QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 6 2009, 12... Dec 7 2009, 04:09 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (explorator @ Dec 7 2009, 09:09 AM)... Dec 8 2009, 02:54 AM
LivingOxymoron One thing to keep in mind too: With the decline o... Dec 5 2009, 08:32 PM
kzt It's hard to see how "everyone is the SAS... Dec 5 2009, 10:54 PM
LivingOxymoron Not only that, most of the actual operators in uni... Dec 5 2009, 11:06 PM
General Ripper QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 5 2009, 05:54 PM) It... Dec 6 2009, 01:05 AM

Wounded Ronin QUOTE (General Ripper @ Dec 5 2009, 09:05... Dec 14 2009, 12:56 AM
General Ripper Double post, my bad. Dec 6 2009, 01:05 AM
Jericho Alar You have feeders; they're just not force proje... Dec 5 2009, 11:40 PM
hobgoblin another thing to ponder is the number of mercenari... Dec 6 2009, 01:24 AM
kzt QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 5 2009, 06:24 PM) ... Dec 6 2009, 05:21 AM
Jericho Alar QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 6 2009, 12:21 AM) And wh... Dec 6 2009, 05:54 AM
kzt QUOTE (Jericho Alar @ Dec 5 2009, 10:54 P... Dec 6 2009, 06:38 AM
Jericho Alar QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 6 2009, 01:38 AM) ?? The... Dec 6 2009, 07:10 AM
Hero The national armies and mercenary companies would ... Dec 6 2009, 06:56 AM
kzt Actually DARPA is one of the key funders of mobile... Dec 6 2009, 07:08 AM
hobgoblin ok, the way i envisioned it was this:
take ganger... Dec 6 2009, 07:30 AM
Inane Imp One would assume that the Desert Wars corps have t... Dec 6 2009, 08:04 AM
kzt Ok, that would work. But one of the reasons why t... Dec 6 2009, 08:18 AM
Inane Imp Absolutely, that 'trainee' corp isn't ... Dec 6 2009, 01:38 PM
Method As a RL aside, anyone read the profile of Erik Pri... Dec 6 2009, 02:51 PM
FlakJacket Wow, and the author of that article isn't bias... Dec 6 2009, 05:29 PM
Inane Imp The line signal operator probably only has enough ... Dec 6 2009, 06:04 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 6 2009, 11:04 AM) ... Dec 6 2009, 06:14 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi Well, fair enough you have much more experience in... Dec 6 2009, 07:14 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 12... Dec 6 2009, 07:24 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 6 2009, 03... Dec 7 2009, 02:48 PM
Ascalaphus QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 7 2009, 03:48 P... Dec 7 2009, 03:46 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 7 2009, 11:46 AM)... Dec 7 2009, 03:59 PM
Ascalaphus You can give a drone instructions, then send it in... Dec 7 2009, 04:10 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 7 2009, 12:10 PM)... Dec 7 2009, 04:37 PM
Manunancy QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 7 2009, 05:37 P... Dec 10 2009, 06:39 AM
Warlordtheft My assessment is that the cheap drones become chea... Dec 7 2009, 05:13 PM
kzt The insane cheapness of munitions, missiles, and d... Dec 7 2009, 05:29 PM
Heath Robinson QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 7 2009, 05:29 PM) The in... Dec 8 2009, 04:06 AM
kzt QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Dec 7 2009, 09:06... Dec 8 2009, 05:28 AM
Apathy Ultimately for any force, form follows function. A... Dec 8 2009, 12:52 AM
hobgoblin QUOTE (Apathy @ Dec 8 2009, 01:52 AM) Ama... Dec 8 2009, 07:20 AM
Inane Imp QUOTE (Apathy @ Dec 8 2009, 12:52 AM) Sni... Dec 8 2009, 02:07 AM
AngelisStorm I would be really suprised if every infantry soldi... Dec 8 2009, 06:12 AM
Hero I still think the military would use the good old ... Dec 9 2009, 07:48 AM
Inane Imp QUOTE (Hero @ Dec 9 2009, 07:48 AM) I sti... Dec 9 2009, 02:04 PM
hobgoblin err, what now?
would that not basically be a case... Dec 9 2009, 08:03 AM
Hero QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 9 2009, 12:03 AM) ... Dec 9 2009, 08:28 AM
hobgoblin QUOTE (Hero @ Dec 9 2009, 09:28 AM) Could... Dec 9 2009, 10:42 AM
Inane Imp QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 9 2009, 10:42 AM) ... Dec 9 2009, 12:04 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 02:04 PM) ... Dec 9 2009, 12:14 PM
Ascalaphus I dunno.. using different standards doesn't re... Dec 9 2009, 08:48 AM
BnF95 The army could commission mages outside of the reg... Dec 9 2009, 09:07 AM
Mercer QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 10:07 AM) The ... Dec 9 2009, 10:14 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 11:07 AM) Why ... Dec 9 2009, 10:49 AM
Inane Imp QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 9 2009, 10... Dec 9 2009, 01:42 PM
Mercer QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 02:42 PM) ... Dec 9 2009, 10:38 PM
Warlordtheft QUOTE (Mercer @ Dec 9 2009, 05:38 PM) If ... Dec 10 2009, 12:57 AM
BnF95 QUOTE (Inane Imp @ Dec 9 2009, 09:42 PM) ... Dec 10 2009, 05:00 AM
kzt QUOTE (BnF95 @ Dec 9 2009, 10:00 PM) I do... Dec 10 2009, 05:21 AM
Mercer I think by 2072, we're getting to a point wher... Dec 10 2009, 05:28 AM
hobgoblin or maybe they go the LS way, and hand out doses of... Dec 10 2009, 05:42 AM
BnF95 QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 10 2009, 01:21 PM) They ... Dec 10 2009, 06:19 AM
AngelisStorm QUOTE (Manunancy @ Dec 10 2009, 02:39 AM)... Dec 10 2009, 01:14 PM
Ascalaphus Well, morphine addictions did rise as a result of ... Dec 10 2009, 02:08 PM
Earlydawn A couple thoughts.
First of all, I think there... Dec 14 2009, 03:49 AM
kzt Ares has regular military forces per the fluff.
T... Dec 14 2009, 03:58 AM
AngelisStorm I believe Corps don't have terribly large conv... Dec 14 2009, 04:07 AM
Brazilian_Shinobi So, I was discussing this yesterday with Garou: ... Dec 14 2009, 05:33 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 01... Dec 14 2009, 05:53 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Dec 14 2009, 02:53 ... Dec 14 2009, 05:56 PM
Ascalaphus QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 06... Dec 14 2009, 06:20 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 14 2009, 03:20 PM... Dec 14 2009, 06:45 PM
AngelisStorm Without a rigger inside the plane, won't it en... Dec 14 2009, 06:48 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi So, I guess the canopy wouldn't be made out of... Dec 14 2009, 07:07 PM
kzt QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 12... Dec 14 2009, 10:49 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 07:49 PM) The b... Dec 14 2009, 11:38 PM
kzt QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 04... Dec 15 2009, 12:08 AM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 09:08 PM) Nobod... Dec 15 2009, 05:43 AM
kzt QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 14 2009, 10... Dec 15 2009, 06:09 AM
AngelisStorm Tell me about it. Every time I post, I'm taki... Dec 14 2009, 07:08 PM
Apathy Wouldn't RC drones have less vulnerability to ... Dec 14 2009, 08:31 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi But won't you need LoS to manifest a spirit in... Dec 14 2009, 09:25 PM
Whipstitch Don't forget about simple endurance either-- a... Dec 15 2009, 12:52 AM
Earlydawn There's certainly a good argument on both side... Dec 15 2009, 02:21 AM
AngelisStorm QUOTE (kzt @ Dec 14 2009, 08:08 PM) Nobod... Dec 15 2009, 04:04 AM
hobgoblin QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Dec 15 2009, 05:04 ... Dec 15 2009, 10:17 AM
Ascalaphus A significant advantage riggers have over pilot pr... Dec 15 2009, 12:14 PM
hobgoblin that would depend on the jammer being on the groun... Dec 15 2009, 02:18 PM
kzt QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 15 2009, 07:18 AM)... Dec 15 2009, 06:50 PM
hobgoblin sadly, SR4 do not provide for the possibility that... Dec 15 2009, 09:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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