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Karoline
post May 9 2010, 03:36 AM
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So, I've seen it come up a couple times before, and was having trouble finding a thread on it (I'm sure there has been), so I figured I'd make a new thread to ask:

Can a blind mage target anything on the physical plane without touching it?

Now, it seems like most people accept that a blind mage can target the physical plane without trouble while astrally perceiving. The problem I have with that is that an aura cannot be used to target something, and there is never anything which states that astral can target a spot on the physical plane by saying 'that spot right there but on the physical plane'.

The closest I can find is
QUOTE
An astrally perceiving
(or otherwise dual natured) magician can cast spells on a
target in either the physical world or in astral space.
but it doesn't specify that you can use astral sight to target something, simply that it is possible to cast a physical spell while perceiving, which can be done via touch spells, or in the case of duel natured creatures, by viewing through their physical senses.

So, is there anything more concrete that says you can in fact use astral sight to target a spell on the physical plane?
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- Karoline   The blind mage   May 9 2010, 03:36 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I've always thought that was one of the textbo...   May 9 2010, 03:43 AM
- - Summerstorm   May be a bit cruel: But no, i don't think he c...   May 9 2010, 04:29 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ May 8 2010, 09:29 PM...   May 9 2010, 04:40 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 8 2010, 08:36 PM) S...   May 9 2010, 04:31 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 8 2010, 11...   May 9 2010, 05:05 AM
- - TheOOB   A blind mage will not be able to cast LOS spells o...   May 9 2010, 04:33 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (TheOOB @ May 8 2010, 09:33 PM) A b...   May 9 2010, 04:39 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I think the quote at issue here remains ambiguous....   May 9 2010, 04:50 AM
- - Redcrow   I guess I've never really read that closely to...   May 9 2010, 06:46 AM
- - toturi   Does having Blind/Reduced Sight mean that you cann...   May 9 2010, 06:59 AM
- - DeathStrobe   I think the idea is that you're channeling the...   May 9 2010, 07:05 AM
- - knasser   I can't really offer any stronger argument tha...   May 9 2010, 07:12 AM
- - Medicineman   Tymeaus is right. As soon as the Blind mage switch...   May 9 2010, 07:34 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   Karoline, I get your opinion semantically but this...   May 9 2010, 09:10 AM
- - Angelone   I may be misunderstanding most of your arguements,...   May 9 2010, 09:51 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 10:51 AM) I...   May 9 2010, 10:11 AM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (knasser @ May 9 2010, 05:11 AM) Wh...   May 9 2010, 02:50 PM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 04:51 AM) I...   May 9 2010, 02:08 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (darthmord @ May 9 2010, 08:08 AM) ...   May 9 2010, 02:24 PM
- - Summerstorm   No you can't. With normal, unawakened people t...   May 9 2010, 10:09 AM
- - HugeC   Hi guys, first post, just bought SR4A a week ago, ...   May 9 2010, 10:38 AM
- - Angelone   The sighted mage can target things on the physical...   May 9 2010, 03:02 PM
|- - Redcrow   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 03:02 PM) I...   May 9 2010, 04:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Let's not even talk about glasses again. I s...   May 9 2010, 03:25 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2010, 09:25 AM)...   May 9 2010, 04:06 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 9 2010, 11...   May 9 2010, 04:25 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 9 2010, 10:25 AM) T...   May 9 2010, 04:33 PM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 9 2010, 11...   May 9 2010, 04:40 PM
||- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 9 2010, 10...   May 9 2010, 06:21 PM
|- - Redcrow   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 9 2010, 04:25 PM) I...   May 9 2010, 05:29 PM
|- - Walpurgisborn   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 9 2010, 11:25 AM) T...   May 10 2010, 03:40 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Walpurgisborn @ May 9 2010, 08:40 ...   May 10 2010, 03:46 AM
- - Yerameyahu   So. Astral Sight amounts to a replacement for all ...   May 9 2010, 04:18 PM
- - Red-ROM   - Shooting at someone while astraly perceiving is ...   May 9 2010, 04:26 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   From AngelisStorm in another Topic... QUOTE QUOTE...   May 9 2010, 05:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   The point is that that quote is ambiguous. Hmm. I...   May 9 2010, 05:38 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2010, 10:38 AM)...   May 9 2010, 05:45 PM
- - Angelone   It's not ambiguous until you add the blind qua...   May 9 2010, 06:13 PM
|- - HugeC   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 01:13 PM) ....   May 9 2010, 06:56 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (HugeC @ May 9 2010, 11:56 AM) No h...   May 9 2010, 07:35 PM
||- - HugeC   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 9 2010, 03...   May 10 2010, 12:50 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (HugeC @ May 9 2010, 05:50 PM) I th...   May 10 2010, 01:21 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 11:13 AM) W...   May 9 2010, 07:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, I mean that the quote, in and of itself, is am...   May 9 2010, 06:13 PM
- - jimbo   I'll state the same thing here that I stated i...   May 9 2010, 06:55 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (jimbo @ May 9 2010, 11:55 AM) I...   May 10 2010, 07:38 AM
- - Angelone   It's cheap because it's an inate ability o...   May 9 2010, 08:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 9 2010, 01:04 PM) I...   May 9 2010, 08:43 PM
- - Patrick the Gnome   Anyone else here think its contradictory that unde...   May 10 2010, 04:26 AM
- - DireRadiant   p. 183 Choose the Target "The act of choosin...   May 10 2010, 04:33 AM
- - darthmord   I'll also toss in that in the fluff descriptio...   May 10 2010, 02:14 PM
- - Karoline   Alright, think I've been convinced. I still w...   May 10 2010, 03:33 PM
|- - jimbo   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 10 2010, 10:33 AM) ...   May 10 2010, 07:53 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 10 2010, 10:33 AM) ...   May 10 2010, 09:01 PM
- - Dreadlord   Not to hear my players tell it! They are conv...   May 10 2010, 05:35 PM
- - HugeC   Another potential downside of using astral percept...   May 10 2010, 05:44 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (HugeC @ May 10 2010, 01:44 PM) Ano...   May 10 2010, 08:11 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 10 2010, 10:11 PM) ...   May 10 2010, 09:11 PM
- - Karoline   Indistinct sound seems to indicate that you wouldn...   May 10 2010, 09:27 PM
- - pbangarth   Not to be the stick-in-the-mud, but I still don...   May 10 2010, 09:37 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (pbangarth @ May 10 2010, 03:37 PM)...   May 11 2010, 01:23 AM
|- - DeathStrobe   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 11 2010, 01...   May 11 2010, 02:21 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ May 10 2010, 08:21 P...   May 11 2010, 02:24 AM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 10 2010, 09...   May 11 2010, 06:15 AM
|- - DeathStrobe   QUOTE (Medicineman @ May 11 2010, 06:15 A...   May 11 2010, 06:49 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ May 11 2010, 08:49 A...   May 11 2010, 07:28 AM
- - HugeC   So I was gonna post stuff about what I thought I r...   May 11 2010, 01:11 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (HugeC @ May 10 2010, 07:11 PM) So ...   May 11 2010, 01:20 AM
|- - HugeC   I decided to see where I got the idea about tech n...   May 11 2010, 12:44 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (HugeC @ May 11 2010, 08:44 AM) I a...   May 11 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's technology that's been Essence-inte...   May 11 2010, 01:36 AM
- - Medicineman   I also still wonder about DNI. Would your AR displ...   May 11 2010, 04:50 PM
- - DireRadiant   Implanted DNI(Any implanted cyber has DNI) uses es...   May 11 2010, 04:54 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ May 11 2010, 11:54 A...   May 11 2010, 06:09 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ May 11 2010, 06:54 P...   May 11 2010, 06:09 PM
- - DireRadiant   I did put that word visual in.   May 11 2010, 06:11 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   woops   May 11 2010, 06:19 PM


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