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MikeKozar
post May 17 2010, 12:19 AM
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I was watching Iron Man 2 last night, and really enjoyed the scene where the secret agent KOs a dozen security guards. However, it did remind me of one of the issues I have with Shadowrun - the IP system.

The basic premise is fine - faster things get to go more often then slower things. The implementation leaves something to be desired, however - during IP 1, everybody gets a turn to make one action. After everybody has had a turn, the faster people go again.

This is easy to illustrate in a cinematic fashion. Let's look at gunfighters - in a one-on-one fight, where a hit is lethal and neither is expected to miss, the gunfighter who 'wins initiative' and is quicker on the draw will walk away.

Now, consider that one hero gunfighter is up against two slower enemy gunfighters, and the hero is fast enough to go twice. In an IP system, the hero will kill one enemy, who won't get a turn, and then the second enemy will kill the hero. The first gunfighter won't survive to use his second IP.

Conversely, if we imagine a system where people with multiple IPs instead get multiple actions on their initiative order, the quicker gunfighter will win initiative and then fire twice, and walk away alive.

We could even replicate this 'faster first' using the Shadowrun's IP system if we flipped the order - IP 3, IP 2, then IP 1. This maintains some of the advantages of simultanious IPs while increasing the power level of the wired reflexes up to a more cinematic level.

That greater power level is the only argument I can imagine against 'fastest first' instead of 'fastest again'. It makes sams who traded their soul for Wired-3 incredibly lethal killing machines, and they will tear through half of a go-gang before the unaugmented bastards even draw their guns.

My question is, is that wrong?
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- MikeKozar   Why IPs?   May 17 2010, 12:19 AM
- - Whipstitch   Matter of opinion. If you want people without pass...   May 17 2010, 12:24 AM
- - Summerstorm   That is how it should be, yes. And it was in 2nd e...   May 17 2010, 12:25 AM
- - Mesh   There's nothing stopping the gunslinger in you...   May 17 2010, 12:31 AM
- - Mantis   Yea that's the way we did it too in the old da...   May 17 2010, 12:35 AM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, keep in mind that even in SR4 having enough ...   May 17 2010, 12:38 AM
- - Nixda   Well, everyone has his opinion on the old times. P...   May 17 2010, 12:46 AM
- - Daylen   the old way made more sense, but because of how ea...   May 17 2010, 12:54 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Daylen @ May 16 2010, 08:54 PM) th...   May 17 2010, 01:08 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   A mechanic I'm considering using mixes things ...   May 17 2010, 12:58 AM
- - Daylen   and would the passes be determined by ones Panache...   May 17 2010, 01:10 AM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Daylen @ May 16 2010, 07:10 PM) an...   May 17 2010, 02:20 PM
|- - HappyDaze   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ May 17 2010, 10:20 A...   May 17 2010, 04:25 PM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (MikeKozar @ May 16 2010, 05:19 PM)...   May 17 2010, 01:15 AM
- - Synner   Curiously this was an optional rule that I had sla...   May 17 2010, 01:20 AM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (Synner @ May 16 2010, 05:20 PM) Cu...   May 17 2010, 07:53 PM
- - Snow_Fox   We play that way, we subscribe to the idea that th...   May 17 2010, 01:33 AM
- - Karoline   Another way to do it that would be something I sug...   May 17 2010, 01:41 AM
|- - Llewelyn   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 16 2010, 09:41 PM) ...   May 17 2010, 02:37 AM
|- - Raven the Trickster   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 16 2010, 08:41 PM) ...   May 17 2010, 04:12 AM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (Raven the Trickster @ May 16 2010, 11...   May 17 2010, 12:26 PM
||- - HappyDaze   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 17 2010, 08:26 AM) ...   May 17 2010, 12:44 PM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Karoline @ May 17 2010, 01:41 AM) ...   May 17 2010, 04:32 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (tete @ May 17 2010, 12:32 PM) That...   May 17 2010, 05:46 PM
- - Omenowl   So where does Adrenaline surge or Edge fit in? It...   May 17 2010, 02:28 AM
|- - Llewelyn   QUOTE (Omenowl @ May 16 2010, 10:28 PM) S...   May 17 2010, 02:45 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Omenowl @ May 16 2010, 10:28 PM) S...   May 17 2010, 03:19 AM
- - nemafow   I love the way Contact simulates 'faster' ...   May 17 2010, 03:22 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (nemafow @ May 16 2010, 11:22 PM) I...   May 17 2010, 03:25 AM
- - Man-of-many-Chars   Gee, I didn't expect this coming (truly!)....   May 17 2010, 06:22 AM
- - Zormal   Changing the order of IPs to 3/1/2/4 also works pr...   May 17 2010, 06:52 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   Splitting things into IPs and initiative is kinda ...   May 17 2010, 11:14 AM
- - Doc Byte   I have a house rule draft somewhere on my HDD. Bas...   May 17 2010, 11:54 AM
- - Synner667   Now, obviously everyone plays the game they want t...   May 17 2010, 04:43 PM
|- - HappyDaze   QUOTE (Synner667 @ May 17 2010, 12:43 PM)...   May 17 2010, 04:46 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ May 17 2010, 10:46 AM)...   May 18 2010, 01:18 AM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Synner667 @ May 17 2010, 11:43 AM)...   May 17 2010, 06:55 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ May 17 2010, 02:55 PM...   May 17 2010, 07:09 PM
||- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 17 2010, 02:09 PM) ...   May 17 2010, 07:21 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ May 17 2010, 03:21 PM...   May 17 2010, 07:30 PM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ May 17 2010, 06:55 PM...   May 17 2010, 08:05 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (tete @ May 17 2010, 03:05 PM) You ...   May 18 2010, 12:55 AM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ May 18 2010, 01:55 AM...   May 18 2010, 03:54 AM
- - Man-of-many-Chars   I respect anyone who has a different approach, but...   May 17 2010, 04:52 PM
|- - HappyDaze   QUOTE (Man-of-many-Chars @ May...   May 17 2010, 06:01 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   S'what I like about the system I mentioned ear...   May 17 2010, 04:56 PM
- - Dumori   I have to say Dr. Funkenstein's method seams m...   May 17 2010, 07:11 PM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Dumori @ May 17 2010, 02:11 PM) I ...   May 18 2010, 05:14 AM
- - Surt   personally its a matter of preference personally I...   May 17 2010, 08:19 PM
- - The Monk   My group has been doing this for the last few mont...   May 17 2010, 08:36 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (The Monk @ May 17 2010, 04:36 PM) ...   May 17 2010, 08:42 PM
- - Heath Robinson   I think I'll just leave this here. Really, I ...   May 18 2010, 03:45 AM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ May 17 2010, 11:4...   May 18 2010, 04:47 AM


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