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JurneeJakes
post Aug 3 2010, 05:24 PM
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Ever since Physical Adepts were introduced in second edition, they've over shadowed Street Samurai. Whereas the Sammie has a six point limit of essence that is partially put off by grades of cyberware for exhorbitant amounts of nuyen, Adepts have no limit to their magic attribute due to initiation. Their abilities, with the exception of internal commlinks, radios, etc, are for the most part superior to their cyber equivilant, have no social modifiers, and won't kill you if you have too much. An Adept with six points of powers loses an essence point; it's a set back and must initiate to regain the lost point. A street sam that takes a point of essence loss when he has 5+ points of cyber is simply dead. Street sams are harder to heal magically. They are obvious, are penalized for tasks such as swimming due to their weight.

I realize that not everything in Shadowrun isn't meant to be balanced in order to keep a semblance of reality (sometimes rock simply beats scissors) but this does seem a little off considering how rare the Awakened are still supposed to be and how attractive they can be in a long running campaign.

One idea I had was to only allow three levels of initiation to correspond to the various grades of cyber, essentially reducing their power cost from then on. This would allow a 12 point cap at third level rather than infinite levels.

Any other thoughts?
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- JurneeJakes   Magic versus Chrome   Aug 3 2010, 05:24 PM
- - Doc Chase   Sammies spend money. Adepts spend karma. Guess i...   Aug 3 2010, 05:26 PM
- - Draco18s   You're comparing "infinite growth" t...   Aug 3 2010, 05:28 PM
|- - Laodicea   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 3 2010, 12:28 PM) Y...   Aug 3 2010, 05:41 PM
- - sabs   Adepts have to pay with Karma. Certain types of c...   Aug 3 2010, 05:35 PM
- - sabs   I really hate Cyber+Magic characters. They break t...   Aug 3 2010, 05:44 PM
|- - DrZaius   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 01:44 PM) I rea...   Aug 3 2010, 05:46 PM
|- - Laodicea   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 12:44 PM) I rea...   Aug 3 2010, 05:54 PM
|- - DrZaius   QUOTE (Laodicea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:54 PM) I...   Aug 3 2010, 06:21 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Laodicea @ Aug 3 2010, 07:54 PM) I...   Aug 3 2010, 06:50 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Laodicea @ Aug 3 2010, 01:54 PM) I...   Aug 3 2010, 06:52 PM
|- - Rand   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 3 2010, 02...   Aug 3 2010, 09:54 PM
- - Larsine   QUOTE (JurneeJakes @ Aug 3 2010, 06:24 PM...   Aug 3 2010, 05:57 PM
- - Laodicea   magic + Wares is BP cost heavy. That doesn't ...   Aug 3 2010, 06:37 PM
- - LurkerOutThere   Ware was pretty competative until they started to ...   Aug 3 2010, 06:55 PM
- - sabs   If you're making a character thats' going ...   Aug 3 2010, 06:56 PM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (JurneeJakes @ Aug 3 2010, 08:24 PM...   Aug 3 2010, 07:03 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 3 2010, 03:03 PM) If you...   Aug 3 2010, 07:12 PM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 3 2010, 11...   Aug 3 2010, 07:31 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 3 2010, 09...   Aug 3 2010, 07:38 PM
- - Lanlaorn   It depends on the cyberware. Sure Delta Move By Wi...   Aug 3 2010, 07:21 PM
- - knightofargh   Magic has generally overshadowed mundane character...   Aug 3 2010, 07:27 PM
|- - Johnny B. Good   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 3 2010, 08:27 P...   Aug 3 2010, 08:33 PM
||- - TheMidnightHobo   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 3 2010, 04:33...   Aug 3 2010, 10:10 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (TheMidnightHobo @ Aug 3 2010, 05:1...   Aug 3 2010, 10:48 PM
||- - TheMidnightHobo   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 3 2010, 06...   Aug 3 2010, 11:01 PM
||- - knightofargh   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 3 2010, 05...   Aug 4 2010, 12:08 PM
||- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 02:08 P...   Aug 4 2010, 12:20 PM
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|||- - Inpu   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 02:57 P...   Aug 4 2010, 02:23 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 07:08 A...   Aug 4 2010, 02:14 PM
||- - knightofargh   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 4 2010, 10...   Aug 4 2010, 02:19 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 3 2010, 02:27 P...   Aug 4 2010, 02:02 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 4 2010, 10:02 AM) ...   Aug 4 2010, 03:14 PM
- - JurneeJakes   I'm not even referring to Essence Drain so muc...   Aug 3 2010, 07:44 PM
- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (JurneeJakes @ Aug 3 2010, 07:24 PM...   Aug 3 2010, 07:45 PM
- - sabs   Maybe you didn't really build him right. And h...   Aug 3 2010, 07:51 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 09:51 PM) Maybe...   Aug 3 2010, 08:39 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Aug 3 2010, 08:39 PM) Y...   Aug 3 2010, 09:30 PM
- - Simon Kerimov   There is but one way to answer this most controver...   Aug 3 2010, 08:05 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Simon Kerimov @ Aug 3 2010, 04:05 ...   Aug 3 2010, 09:20 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 3 2010, 10:20 PM) O...   Aug 3 2010, 09:23 PM
- - Doc Chase   Go over there and explain what the Smoking Mirror ...   Aug 3 2010, 08:07 PM
|- - Simon Kerimov   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 3 2010, 02:07 PM) ...   Aug 3 2010, 08:12 PM
- - DireRadiant   The ring is where everyone shadowruns.   Aug 3 2010, 08:45 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   He's a ghoul, but with all the cyber he should...   Aug 3 2010, 09:23 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Aug 3 2010, 05:23 PM...   Aug 3 2010, 09:30 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I thought the consensus was that ghouls *want* to ...   Aug 3 2010, 09:51 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 3 2010, 05:51 PM)...   Aug 4 2010, 05:21 AM
- - Simon Kerimov   Stats/Max--Karma=Total BOD: 11/13 -- 90 = 90 AG...   Aug 3 2010, 10:32 PM
- - Simon Kerimov   Yes, we want more SCI-Protect. I am working on Man...   Aug 3 2010, 10:39 PM
- - Simon Kerimov   Through simple selection process, the Arcane Arres...   Aug 3 2010, 11:05 PM
- - Voran   I guess this is why since...I dunno 2e or so? I...   Aug 4 2010, 01:14 AM
- - Rock_Bottom   QUOTE (JurneeJakes @ Aug 3 2010, 12:24 PM...   Aug 4 2010, 03:49 AM
|- - Reg06   QUOTE (Rock_Bottom @ Aug 4 2010, 03:49 AM...   Aug 4 2010, 04:08 AM
|- - Rock_Bottom   QUOTE (Reg06 @ Aug 3 2010, 11:08 PM) Magi...   Aug 4 2010, 05:33 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Nope. You can explicitly replace a ghoul's vis...   Aug 4 2010, 05:50 AM
- - Lanlaorn   No, this is like quoting the percentage for how ra...   Aug 4 2010, 01:15 PM
|- - knightofargh   QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Aug 4 2010, 08:15 AM) N...   Aug 4 2010, 02:13 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 09:13 A...   Aug 4 2010, 02:18 PM
||- - knightofargh   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 4 2010, 10...   Aug 4 2010, 02:21 PM
||- - Kruger   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 06:21 A...   Aug 4 2010, 04:21 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (knightofargh @ Aug 4 2010, 04:13 P...   Aug 4 2010, 04:03 PM
- - Doc Byte   Did you ever see a tall, heavyweight jockey? Stati...   Aug 4 2010, 01:25 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I've heard that before, as well. I assume they...   Aug 4 2010, 02:05 PM
- - JurneeJakes   A ghoul? Really? What if the mission requires sed...   Aug 4 2010, 02:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Someone sounds bitter. I don't know about you...   Aug 4 2010, 02:24 PM
|- - knightofargh   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 4 2010, 09:24 AM)...   Aug 4 2010, 02:36 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   This would make sense if you could single out the ...   Aug 4 2010, 03:21 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Aug 4 2010, 11:21 AM...   Aug 4 2010, 03:46 PM
|- - Inpu   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 4 2010, 05:46 PM) T...   Aug 4 2010, 03:55 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Inpu @ Aug 4 2010, 11:55 AM) The p...   Aug 4 2010, 03:58 PM
|- - Inpu   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 4 2010, 05:58 PM) A...   Aug 4 2010, 04:09 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Inpu @ Aug 4 2010, 12:09 PM) Eh, i...   Aug 4 2010, 04:27 PM
|- - Kruger   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 4 2010, 08:27 AM) I...   Aug 4 2010, 04:43 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's not how magic seems to work, though, an...   Aug 4 2010, 03:22 PM
- - sabs   What if you were a corporate sponsored shadowrun t...   Aug 4 2010, 04:09 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 4 2010, 06:09 PM) What ...   Aug 4 2010, 04:19 PM
|- - Kruger   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Aug 4 2010, 08:19 AM) I...   Aug 4 2010, 04:23 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Kruger @ Aug 4 2010, 11:23 AM) The...   Aug 5 2010, 12:30 AM
||- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 4 2010, 04...   Aug 5 2010, 04:10 AM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Aug 4 2010, 05:19 PM) I...   Aug 4 2010, 04:24 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 4 2010, 04:24 PM) ...   Aug 4 2010, 04:28 PM
- - PoliteMan   I think the problem you'd find with granting a...   Aug 4 2010, 04:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, I think the point was made that indirect/...   Aug 4 2010, 05:07 PM
- - Inpu   Which is partly why heal is harder, yes. I agree w...   Aug 4 2010, 05:32 PM
- - Kruger   In the end, rules like that are incredibly hard to...   Aug 4 2010, 06:27 PM
|- - Inpu   QUOTE (Kruger @ Aug 4 2010, 08:27 PM) In ...   Aug 4 2010, 07:27 PM
- - Doc Chase   Uhm...Aren't physical spells resisted by Body,...   Aug 4 2010, 06:29 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's mystical. I don't see a fluff problem...   Aug 4 2010, 07:35 PM
- - Chainsaw Samurai   I've been thinking about this a lot lately mys...   Aug 4 2010, 09:27 PM
- - sabs   I don't think that Adept are better than Stree...   Aug 5 2010, 04:11 AM
- - Chainsaw Samurai   Yeah I think that's generally where we're ...   Aug 5 2010, 04:13 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, obviously they'd be MysAd.   Aug 5 2010, 04:13 AM
- - sabs   especially with the FULL Magic Score reading of th...   Aug 5 2010, 04:17 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 5 2010, 06:17 AM) He ca...   Aug 5 2010, 07:44 AM
- - Irion   @sabs QUOTE And I think that Adepts with 1-2 point...   Aug 5 2010, 08:38 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Irion @ Aug 5 2010, 10:38 AM) So f...   Aug 5 2010, 08:43 AM
- - Chainsaw Samurai   The 4A initiative boost 2 is better than flat out ...   Aug 5 2010, 08:58 AM
- - Irion   Well, what I said is for the theory. If you evere...   Aug 5 2010, 09:03 AM
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