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Halinn
post Aug 11 2010, 08:43 PM
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If I were to shapechange into, say, a wolf or a great cat, would I now have two initiative passes, or is that not a physical attribute?

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- Halinn   Shapechange Question   Aug 11 2010, 08:43 PM
- - Mr. Mage   I'd play it as you would, since Init Passes ar...   Aug 11 2010, 08:49 PM
- - naga-nuyen   Good day, this is from the Frequently Asked Questi...   Aug 11 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Neraph   No, you do not gain their initiative passes. Initi...   Aug 12 2010, 04:33 AM
|- - Makki   my GM and i ruled, that IPs is a physical stat, so...   Aug 12 2010, 06:02 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Makki @ Aug 12 2010, 01:02 AM) my ...   Aug 12 2010, 06:11 AM
- - Lansdren   Personally I say yes you get them, it is part of h...   Aug 12 2010, 09:23 AM
- - Mr. Mage   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2010, 12:33 AM) No...   Aug 12 2010, 01:17 PM
- - Neraph   Ok, let's try it this way: QUOTE (Shapechange...   Aug 12 2010, 03:21 PM
- - Johnny B. Good   Even if that is so, the extra IP is an integral pa...   Aug 12 2010, 03:49 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 12 2010, 10:4...   Aug 12 2010, 04:00 PM
||- - Johnny B. Good   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2010, 05:00 PM) It...   Aug 12 2010, 04:08 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 12 2010, 05:4...   Aug 13 2010, 08:57 AM
- - Neraph   As long as you admit that what you're using is...   Aug 12 2010, 04:10 PM
|- - Johnny B. Good   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2010, 05:10 PM) As...   Aug 12 2010, 04:21 PM
- - Johnny B. Good   Actually, upon further review of the Shapechange s...   Aug 12 2010, 04:34 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 12 2010, 10:3...   Aug 12 2010, 04:46 PM
- - Lansdren   I'm sorry but I'm still of the mind that t...   Aug 13 2010, 09:39 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Lansdren @ Aug 13 2010, 03:39 AM) ...   Aug 13 2010, 03:27 PM
|- - Lansdren   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 13 2010, 04:27 PM) Th...   Aug 13 2010, 03:46 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Lansdren @ Aug 13 2010, 09:46 AM) ...   Aug 13 2010, 03:51 PM
|- - BobChuck   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 13 2010, 11:27 AM) Th...   Aug 13 2010, 03:51 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (BobChuck @ Aug 13 2010, 09:51 AM) ...   Aug 13 2010, 03:55 PM
- - Irion   I am the first to say that something is not Raw. ...   Aug 13 2010, 10:38 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Irion @ Aug 13 2010, 12:38 PM) I a...   Aug 13 2010, 10:42 AM
- - Lansdren   Ware is one of those dont ask us parts of shape ch...   Aug 13 2010, 02:47 PM
- - Lansdren   Some implants and magic may give a character extra...   Aug 13 2010, 04:00 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Lansdren @ Aug 13 2010, 10:00 AM) ...   Aug 13 2010, 04:06 PM
- - Lansdren   As for skills, no I do not belive you get skills f...   Aug 13 2010, 04:01 PM
- - Machiavelli   You definitely don´t get the skills, but initiativ...   Aug 13 2010, 04:05 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Aug 13 2010, 10:05 A...   Aug 13 2010, 04:07 PM
- - Lansdren   Would you kindly explain where the additional IPs ...   Aug 13 2010, 04:18 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Lansdren @ Aug 13 2010, 10:18 AM) ...   Aug 13 2010, 04:23 PM
|- - Lansdren   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 13 2010, 05:23 PM) An...   Aug 13 2010, 05:00 PM
- - Machiavelli   We all know that there is a difference about the R...   Aug 13 2010, 04:44 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Aug 13 2010, 10:44 A...   Aug 13 2010, 04:53 PM
- - Machiavelli   If i remember correctly, your side of view also wa...   Aug 13 2010, 04:58 PM
- - Neraph   I've never said it is a derived stat, just tha...   Aug 13 2010, 05:03 PM
- - Machiavelli   Let´s rule the Devs......DEVS, could you please ha...   Aug 13 2010, 05:08 PM
- - jimbo   Anyone ever play a shapechanging magician and the ...   Aug 15 2010, 11:41 PM
|- - Lansdren   QUOTE (jimbo @ Aug 16 2010, 12:41 AM) Any...   Aug 16 2010, 07:14 AM
- - Mordinvan   Could I just point out the text of the spell? SR4...   Aug 16 2010, 02:32 AM
|- - Lansdren   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 03:32 AM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:16 AM
- - Neraph   I don't see how this is a grey area at all. I...   Aug 16 2010, 05:01 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 10:01 AM) I ...   Aug 16 2010, 05:21 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 12:21 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 05:25 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 11:25 AM) Fa...   Aug 16 2010, 05:41 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 12:41 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 05:46 PM
- - yesferatu   I don't think it's gray at all either. Yo...   Aug 16 2010, 05:53 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 12:53 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 05:55 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 11:55 AM) Ca...   Aug 16 2010, 06:05 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 01:05 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:10 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 12:10 PM) Th...   Aug 16 2010, 06:23 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 01:23 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:28 PM
- - yesferatu   "Shapechange transforms a voluntary subject i...   Aug 16 2010, 06:01 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 01:01 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:07 PM
- - yesferatu   Grr...now I'm actually on the fence. When tra...   Aug 16 2010, 06:23 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 12:23 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:26 PM
- - Sesix   Hes just being short sighted, and not willing to c...   Aug 16 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Sesix @ Aug 16 2010, 12:29 PM) Hes...   Aug 16 2010, 06:34 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Sesix @ Aug 16 2010, 01:29 PM) Hes...   Aug 16 2010, 06:35 PM
- - yesferatu   Actually...your initiative score is determined by ...   Aug 16 2010, 06:31 PM
|- - Sesix   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 02:31 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:33 PM
- - Sesix   *Takes spoon away* No, Higgens. You had yours.   Aug 16 2010, 06:37 PM
- - yesferatu   Oh derp. Sorry, Sesix. You're right. Well, yo...   Aug 16 2010, 06:37 PM
- - Lansdren   all I will add right now is the powers were a grey...   Aug 16 2010, 06:44 PM
- - Neraph   QUOTE (Shapechange, page 204, SR4)Consult the Crit...   Aug 16 2010, 06:45 PM
- - yesferatu   Is it possible that I think Neraph is right, but I...   Aug 16 2010, 06:49 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 12:49 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:54 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 06:54 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 06:57 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 01:54 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:12 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 01:12 PM) No...   Aug 16 2010, 07:19 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 02:19 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:22 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 01:22 PM) Ac...   Aug 16 2010, 07:34 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 16 2010, 01:34 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:40 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 12:40 PM) Yo...   Aug 17 2010, 01:28 AM
- - yesferatu   Keep in mind shapechange may not be as cool as peo...   Aug 16 2010, 06:59 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 12:59 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:03 PM
|- - jimbo   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 01:59 PM)...   Aug 17 2010, 12:40 AM
|- - Emy   QUOTE (jimbo @ Aug 16 2010, 05:40 PM) Unl...   Aug 17 2010, 01:02 AM
- - sabs   In the immortal words of my favorite Matrix Charac...   Aug 16 2010, 07:01 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 16 2010, 01:01 PM) In t...   Aug 16 2010, 07:06 PM
- - yesferatu   "Because the extra IP come from getting a new...   Aug 16 2010, 07:23 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 01:23 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:28 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 01:23 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:38 PM
- - sabs   Yes His synaptic boosters vanish and he doesn...   Aug 16 2010, 07:24 PM
- - yesferatu   What about movement? Are we assuming that since th...   Aug 16 2010, 07:47 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 16 2010, 01:47 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 07:50 PM
- - sabs   Actually lets throw a massive headache into this p...   Aug 16 2010, 07:51 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 16 2010, 01:51 PM) Actu...   Aug 16 2010, 07:58 PM
- - Doc Chase   So just to clarify: If that description had simpl...   Aug 16 2010, 08:04 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 16 2010, 02:04 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 08:21 PM
- - sabs   P211 - Shapechange spell description QUOTE Shapech...   Aug 16 2010, 08:13 PM
- - X-Kalibur   I'll play some Devil's advocate here. Now...   Aug 16 2010, 09:12 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 16 2010, 04:1...   Aug 17 2010, 05:00 AM
- - Machiavelli   And again i would say that this thread could be fi...   Aug 17 2010, 05:17 AM
- - Mäx   Neraph, could you tell me what exactly gives you t...   Aug 17 2010, 08:08 AM
- - Lansdren   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 17 2010, 09:08 AM) Nerap...   Aug 17 2010, 08:20 AM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (Lansdren @ Aug 17 2010, 10:20 AM) ...   Aug 17 2010, 08:27 AM
- - Lansdren   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 17 2010, 09:27 AM) Well ...   Aug 17 2010, 08:35 AM
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