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Aerospider
post Aug 14 2010, 11:26 PM
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So I'm putting together a new character to try out the whole possession thing and, after settling on a rastafarian-vampire-(sukuyan)-conjurer-healer-face, I find a gap in the RAW: can the possessing spirit use the host's powers? No mention in SR4a or SM, so what do you reckon?

Possession is highly-powered as it is, so should they not work at all?
Maybe it should be considered as with cyberware: automatic examples (bone lacing, regeneration) do still work automatically but anything requiring activation or control (cybergun, mist form) can't be communicated with.

Then there's the channelling metamagic which allows the magician fine motor control and skill use. Should that therefore allow full access to powers?


With all this in mind, has the following sillinness ever been posed before? (For it to work you do have to ignore the one-hour time limit for boosting an attribute after draining essence, but that's just plain sense since otherwise you could only do it a few times a year.)

Vampire of a possession tradition, Body 5 Magic 5 Essence 5 Drain Resistance 9, Channelling metamagic

Drain Essence, raising it to 12 (double natural maximum)
Boost Magic by 6 to 11 (Essence drops to 6)
Summon a Force 10 spirit
Be possessed by spirit
Vessel uses spirit's Essence and Magic ratings of 10
Drain Essence, raising it to 20
Boost Magic to 20 (Essence drops to 10)
Summon a Force 20 spirit
Kick out the old spirit and take in the new one
Repeat

You would need to keep healing the drain damage the mundane way, the Essence draining would get more and more time-consuming and since each increase in Force adds on 1/2 a box to the damage track but adds 2/3 onto the expected drain damage there is a cap on how far you can go, but theoretically this is a way for a level 1 initiate to whack their stats up to dragon-scaring levels. Now I just have to find a GM who'll allow it ...
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- Aerospider   Possession and YOUR powers   Aug 14 2010, 11:26 PM
- - onlyghostdanceswhiledrunk   my munchkin heart loves you... I just found the ne...   Aug 14 2010, 11:31 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm pretty sure you don't use the spirit...   Aug 14 2010, 11:32 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 15 2010, 12:32 AM...   Aug 14 2010, 11:40 PM
- - Traul   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 15 2010, 01:26 AM...   Aug 15 2010, 12:06 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Traul @ Aug 15 2010, 01:06 AM) It ...   Aug 15 2010, 12:51 AM
- - Traul   Yes, I was counting Edge for the spirit. If you di...   Aug 15 2010, 01:29 AM
- - Trevalier   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 14 2010, 06:26 PM...   Aug 15 2010, 02:11 AM
- - Traul   The Mage needs Channeling anyway, otherwise he can...   Aug 15 2010, 03:02 AM
- - Badmoodguy88   I think the spirit would have access to the vessel...   Aug 15 2010, 03:23 AM
- - Traul   Even Vampires are not all into mass murder. The sp...   Aug 15 2010, 03:36 AM
- - Neraph   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 14 2010, 06:26 PM...   Aug 15 2010, 05:09 PM
|- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2010, 06:09 PM) My...   Aug 15 2010, 05:34 PM
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||- - Mäx   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2010, 08:38 PM) T...   Aug 16 2010, 01:54 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 16 2010, 08:54 AM) Why ...   Aug 16 2010, 05:07 PM
||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 06:07 PM) Th...   Aug 16 2010, 05:28 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 16 2010, 12:28 PM...   Aug 16 2010, 05:30 PM
||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 06:30 PM) Ex...   Aug 16 2010, 05:45 PM
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||- - Traul   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 07:30 PM) Ex...   Aug 16 2010, 06:34 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Traul @ Aug 16 2010, 01:34 PM) And...   Aug 16 2010, 06:43 PM
||- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 10:43 AM) Ri...   Aug 17 2010, 05:57 AM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Aug 16 2010, 11:57...   Aug 17 2010, 06:04 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2010, 06:09 PM) My...   Aug 16 2010, 05:38 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 16 2010, 12:38 PM...   Aug 16 2010, 05:39 PM
|- - sn0mm1s   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 10:39 AM) Wh...   Aug 16 2010, 05:54 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (sn0mm1s @ Aug 16 2010, 12:54 PM) U...   Aug 16 2010, 05:57 PM
||- - sn0mm1s   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 10:57 AM) Oh...   Aug 16 2010, 08:47 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (sn0mm1s @ Aug 16 2010, 03:47 PM) W...   Aug 17 2010, 05:05 AM
||- - sn0mm1s   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 10:05 PM) Ye...   Aug 18 2010, 02:43 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (sn0mm1s @ Aug 18 2010, 09:43 AM) Y...   Aug 18 2010, 03:59 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 06:39 PM) Th...   Aug 16 2010, 05:58 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 16 2010, 12:58 PM...   Aug 16 2010, 06:13 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2010, 07:13 PM) ED...   Aug 17 2010, 11:37 AM
|- - pattyhulez   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 17 2010, 10:37 PM...   Aug 17 2010, 11:57 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (pattyhulez @ Aug 17 2010, 12:57 PM...   Aug 17 2010, 12:37 PM
|- - pattyhulez   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 17 2010, 10:37 PM...   Aug 17 2010, 03:09 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (pattyhulez @ Aug 17 2010, 04:09 PM...   Aug 18 2010, 12:17 PM
- - Sephiroth   Pffft. Of course such a character is usable as a P...   Aug 15 2010, 06:36 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Sephiroth @ Aug 15 2010, 07:36 PM)...   Aug 16 2010, 12:36 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm more convinced that the rules are broken t...   Aug 15 2010, 07:13 PM
- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 14 2010, 07:26 PM...   Aug 15 2010, 07:48 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Wait, what? He's not Draining Essence from the...   Aug 15 2010, 07:52 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 15 2010, 08:52 PM...   Aug 16 2010, 12:30 PM
- - sn0mm1s   I don't have the time to look up the rules - b...   Aug 16 2010, 05:39 PM
- - Sephiroth   Frustratingly, I can't seem to find it in Stre...   Aug 16 2010, 06:31 PM
- - sabs   Munchkins! Ho! I mean, sure you can come ...   Aug 17 2010, 03:13 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I've never heard of 'higher soul', but...   Aug 17 2010, 03:56 PM
- - Badmoodguy88   Basically the only reason free spirits PCs can...   Aug 18 2010, 04:15 PM
- - pbangarth   Just so I am sure I have it straight: It is being...   Aug 18 2010, 04:20 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 18 2010, 05:20 PM)...   Aug 18 2010, 04:57 PM
- - Yerameyahu   "Possessed by her own Spirit"? The ques...   Aug 18 2010, 04:23 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 05:23 PM...   Aug 18 2010, 05:05 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 10:23 AM...   Aug 19 2010, 12:24 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I didn't mean for a vampire to summon it, I me...   Aug 18 2010, 05:10 PM
- - Badmoodguy88   QUOTE It would be easier, but you'd have to ac...   Aug 18 2010, 05:11 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Aug 18 2010, 06:11 ...   Aug 18 2010, 05:45 PM
- - Traul   Invoking Blood spirit metamagic? I don't think...   Aug 18 2010, 05:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Sounds right. Anyway, the point is that bootstrapp...   Aug 18 2010, 05:17 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 06:17 PM...   Aug 18 2010, 05:41 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, certain 'physical powers' would almo...   Aug 18 2010, 05:44 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 06:44 PM...   Aug 19 2010, 11:59 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Where 'useful' means 'available to bre...   Aug 18 2010, 05:51 PM
- - pbangarth   Aside from any discussion of cheesiness or game-br...   Aug 18 2010, 06:49 PM
|- - Traul   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 18 2010, 08:49 PM)...   Aug 18 2010, 07:17 PM
- - pbangarth   No, no, Traul, I wouldn't think of trying to s...   Aug 18 2010, 07:46 PM
- - Badmoodguy88   It is not all good, and too good to be true. If th...   Aug 18 2010, 08:08 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Aug 18 2010, 02:08 ...   Aug 19 2010, 04:11 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 19 2010, 10:11 AM) Ca...   Aug 20 2010, 01:34 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 19 2010, 07...   Aug 20 2010, 04:56 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 20 2010, 05:56 AM) No...   Aug 20 2010, 12:42 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 20 2010, 05:42 AM...   Aug 20 2010, 11:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   As if vulnerability to wood and silver are even mi...   Aug 19 2010, 05:22 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 19 2010, 11:22 AM...   Aug 20 2010, 01:35 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Not when those are magical monsters. I noticed y...   Aug 20 2010, 01:38 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 19 2010, 06:38 PM...   Aug 20 2010, 02:58 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Those things'll kill you, you know.   Aug 20 2010, 03:00 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 19 2010, 09:00 PM...   Aug 20 2010, 03:20 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I was referring to Pun-Pun vampire-spirit monsters...   Aug 20 2010, 03:30 AM


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