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WhiskeyJohnny
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I'm rolling my first runner for an upcoming game, and, being new to the system, I was looking for some optimization advice. I want to build a combat hacker, someone who can make an effective Hacker/Street Samurai (and/or gunbunny, if that's possible). I'd like to play a human with a high edge, but I'm willing to entertain other possibilities. As far as hacking goes, I envision him doing most of his hacking before the run, probing a system to find weaknesses, creating a backdoor account that he can exploit during the run if need be, and obtaining building plans, video feed, and other tactically useful information. Perhaps he'll have a couple of drones for reconnaissance/fire support. That said, I'd like him to be able to go toe-to-toe with spiders/IC if need be, but I don't want him to be in full VR all the time (at least not during the run).

As far as how to get my skills, I was thinking about using Active Skillsofts to shore up what I can't get a chargen. That brought me to cyber- and bioware, as I understand I need Skillwires or Move-by-Wire in order to run Skillsofts. This of course brought me to the question of essence cost reduction, as I suspect I'm going to be running a heavily cyber- and biowared character. What can I do to reduce the essence cost of my wares, especially at chargen? Can I run cyberware and bioware at the same time, or is it of greater benefit to focus on one or the other?

The other things about this character that are necessary would be: enough social skills to not make a fool of himself, maybe to act as an off-face, because the campaign is supposed to have a strong social element and enough artistic ability to make him a talented painter, for fluff reasons. Additionally, I only have access to the core rulebook, Runner's Companion, and possibly Augmentation.

I also would love a rundown of the basics of Shadowrun 4e optimization. I understand that it is more efficient to buy your stats at chargen and diversify skills as you improve, is this accurate? How many dice should I have in my dice pools? How many initiative passes should I have?

Thanks!

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- WhiskeyJohnny   Optimization Advice for a Combat Hacker   Nov 7 2010, 02:11 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Hackers only need a commlink and programs. Tiny bi...   Nov 7 2010, 03:02 AM
|- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 6 2010, 09:02 PM)...   Nov 7 2010, 03:08 AM
- - Aku   its all skill + program for hacking   Nov 7 2010, 03:10 AM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   Yes, but that would suggest (to me at least) that ...   Nov 7 2010, 03:18 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It depends on how effective, really. You can be pr...   Nov 7 2010, 03:27 AM
- - Fix-it   resisting having your brains come out of your ears...   Nov 7 2010, 03:44 AM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   What is the benefit to writing your own code? I...   Nov 7 2010, 05:01 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Depending on what rules you use, you can save some...   Nov 7 2010, 05:08 AM
- - PresentPresence   Or a good Agent. Even with just SR4a: Transys A...   Nov 7 2010, 05:08 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, there's a lot that Agents (as non-sapien...   Nov 7 2010, 05:25 AM
- - Makki   agents don't get +2 dice for VR, that's a ...   Nov 7 2010, 10:13 AM
- - PoliteMan   I would recommend Move-by- Wire II, which gives yo...   Nov 7 2010, 01:17 PM
- - Zyerne   For a combat hacker, being an off-face as well is ...   Nov 7 2010, 02:40 PM
- - klinktastic   You can do a hacker + face or combat hacker, but i...   Nov 7 2010, 04:30 PM
- - Zyerne   Also, regarding race, Ork might be a better option...   Nov 7 2010, 06:17 PM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   It's more important for me to be good at Comba...   Nov 7 2010, 06:43 PM
- - Zyerne   You don't need to know the magic rules to play...   Nov 7 2010, 07:02 PM
- - klinktastic   If you are not going to take cyberlimbs, then goin...   Nov 7 2010, 07:04 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Nov 6 2010, 10:11 ...   Nov 7 2010, 07:11 PM
- - Karoline   Quick question. Do you only have access to those ...   Nov 7 2010, 07:14 PM
|- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 7 2010, 01:14 PM) Q...   Nov 7 2010, 07:17 PM
- - Zyerne   It's also, unfortunately, 5 BP for Restricted ...   Nov 7 2010, 07:19 PM
- - klinktastic   I guess, I'd like to know how good at combat d...   Nov 7 2010, 07:31 PM
- - Karoline   Oh, one more question. SR4 or SR4A? That's i...   Nov 7 2010, 07:33 PM
|- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 7 2010, 01:33 PM) O...   Nov 7 2010, 08:32 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Nov 6 2010, 10:11 ...   Nov 7 2010, 07:42 PM
- - Zyerne   My only character with wires (from MBW) didn't...   Nov 7 2010, 07:42 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 7 2010, 03:42 PM) My ...   Nov 7 2010, 08:12 PM
- - klinktastic   Rough attempt at adept hacker: Human BOD 4, AGI 4...   Nov 7 2010, 08:07 PM
- - Zyerne   How much Edge does that build have?   Nov 7 2010, 08:12 PM
- - klinktastic   Opps sorry about that, it would have 5 edge and 5 ...   Nov 7 2010, 08:15 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Did you make an adept hacker with the Adept qualit...   Nov 7 2010, 08:26 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 7 2010, 03:26 PM)...   Nov 7 2010, 08:56 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 7 2010, 04:56 PM) F...   Nov 7 2010, 09:01 PM
|- - klinktastic   sorry about that   Nov 7 2010, 09:02 PM
|- - klinktastic   wow triple post.....   Nov 7 2010, 09:02 PM
- - Glyph   Magic loss rounds down to a whole number. In othe...   Nov 7 2010, 08:49 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 7 2010, 04:49 PM) The ...   Nov 7 2010, 09:01 PM
- - klinktastic   Techno's run out of BPs to use on stats, since...   Nov 7 2010, 08:51 PM
- - Zyerne   Resonance is also linked to Essence, so Technomanc...   Nov 7 2010, 08:52 PM
- - Zyerne   If anyone brought that cybered character to my tab...   Nov 7 2010, 08:58 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 7 2010, 04:58 PM) If ...   Nov 7 2010, 09:13 PM
|- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (klinktastic @ Nov 7 2010, 03:13 PM...   Nov 7 2010, 09:25 PM
- - Glyph   Reflex recorders work for physical and combat skil...   Nov 7 2010, 09:06 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 7 2010, 05:06 PM) Refl...   Nov 7 2010, 09:09 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 7 2010, 05:06 PM) Refl...   Nov 7 2010, 09:52 PM
- - Glyph   Yeah, he's got cyber limbs, which would make i...   Nov 7 2010, 09:11 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 7 2010, 04:11 PM) A na...   Nov 7 2010, 09:17 PM
- - Zyerne   And a called shot to the meat parts is going to ha...   Nov 7 2010, 09:13 PM
- - klinktastic   Eh, well this isn't the place to debate the me...   Nov 7 2010, 09:20 PM
- - Zyerne   If I'm calling a shot for extra DV, I'm no...   Nov 7 2010, 09:21 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 7 2010, 05:21 PM) If ...   Nov 7 2010, 09:22 PM
- - klinktastic   With the cyber limbs, you spend 100k nuyen (which ...   Nov 7 2010, 09:28 PM
- - Zyerne   To my mind, that cybered character goes beyond opt...   Nov 7 2010, 09:34 PM
|- - klinktastic   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 7 2010, 05:34 PM) To ...   Nov 7 2010, 09:40 PM
- - Glyph   For most characters, a mix of cyberware and biowar...   Nov 7 2010, 09:38 PM
- - Zyerne   Personally, I just plain hate that cybered charact...   Nov 7 2010, 10:01 PM
- - Glyph   Neo-cortical isn't as good, because it can onl...   Nov 7 2010, 10:01 PM
- - Zyerne   Pushed gives a bonus to Logic-linked skill tests. ...   Nov 7 2010, 10:07 PM
- - klinktastic   I mean, the benefit of the cyber character, especi...   Nov 7 2010, 10:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   They're Logic-linked, Zyerne. *shrug*   Nov 7 2010, 10:16 PM
- - Zyerne   When in VR, the linked attribute is program rating...   Nov 7 2010, 10:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   VR is not different from AR. They're Logic-lin...   Nov 7 2010, 10:42 PM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   I was looking over the Adept build again (as I...   Nov 7 2010, 11:21 PM
|- - Halinn   QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Nov 8 2010, 12:21 ...   Nov 7 2010, 11:33 PM
- - Zyerne   Magic loss from bio/cyber happens after you've...   Nov 7 2010, 11:29 PM
|- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 7 2010, 05:29 PM) Mag...   Nov 7 2010, 11:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Nope. It's Cyberlimb Capacity. Actually, defa...   Nov 7 2010, 11:38 PM
|- - Halinn   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 8 2010, 12:38 AM)...   Nov 8 2010, 02:18 AM
- - Zyerne   Ok, here goes. This is 400 points with 0 negative ...   Nov 7 2010, 11:48 PM
- - klinktastic   Yeah, you buy magic 5 and utilize enough 'ware...   Nov 7 2010, 11:50 PM
- - klinktastic   Personally, dump stat strength and get rid of blad...   Nov 8 2010, 12:01 AM
- - Zyerne   Blades is in there per the initial request for a s...   Nov 8 2010, 12:11 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's the worst possible reason for the stren...   Nov 8 2010, 12:21 AM
- - Zyerne   It would be if it wasn't for the fact that all...   Nov 8 2010, 12:24 AM
- - Yerameyahu   No, I meant that 'all mine get it' is the ...   Nov 8 2010, 12:35 AM
- - klinktastic   I wasn't attacking your build per se, just the...   Nov 8 2010, 12:43 AM
- - Zyerne   A few posts ago, where you asking why Electronics ...   Nov 8 2010, 12:50 AM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 7 2010, 05:38 PM)...   Nov 8 2010, 12:55 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually, the fewer cyberlimbs, the better. Unles...   Nov 8 2010, 12:58 AM
- - WhiskeyJohnny   Why are fewer better (I have no doubt that they ar...   Nov 8 2010, 01:01 AM
- - Zyerne   Partial limbs do exist and you'd have more roo...   Nov 8 2010, 01:06 AM
- - Karoline   Here is a quick little setup I made CODEOrk: ...   Nov 8 2010, 01:22 AM
- - Zyerne   Second hand bioware? Icky, you don't know wher...   Nov 8 2010, 01:28 AM
- - klinktastic   The most versatile is the cybered human with 4 awe...   Nov 8 2010, 01:30 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (klinktastic @ Nov 7 2010, 08:30 PM...   Nov 8 2010, 01:40 AM
- - Karoline   The 35 are spent. I'd have loved to do higher...   Nov 8 2010, 01:32 AM
- - Zyerne   Agreed on the nigh impossible. 100 poiints of skil...   Nov 8 2010, 01:35 AM
- - Zyerne   (There are 2 adept builds posted btw) I never exp...   Nov 8 2010, 01:49 AM
- - Karoline   Ah, did a last minute change to edge and forgot to...   Nov 8 2010, 01:52 AM
- - klinktastic   @Karoline 1 - A non-adept hacker cannot be better...   Nov 8 2010, 01:54 AM
- - Karoline   First adept build: (Adjusted to fit the rules) Hac...   Nov 8 2010, 02:12 AM
- - klinktastic   You assume NeoCordial is working in stressful situ...   Nov 8 2010, 02:25 AM
- - Zyerne   My build will have Pushed if his GM allows it and ...   Nov 8 2010, 02:26 AM
- - Karoline   Personally I've never figured that a hacker wo...   Nov 8 2010, 02:31 AM
- - klinktastic   I don't think that argument is valid. That...   Nov 8 2010, 02:35 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (klinktastic @ Nov 7 2010, 09:35 PM...   Nov 8 2010, 02:43 AM
- - Zyerne   If he's a combat decker, good chance he'll...   Nov 8 2010, 02:35 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Even Hacking on the Fly in your own super-Lifestyl...   Nov 8 2010, 02:39 AM
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