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Daishi
post Dec 28 2010, 02:03 AM
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There are a few topics on War!, but for this thread, let's focus on making that last chapter hum. Sorry, Bogota, but you will remain ignored.

What new rules or gear added by War! is solid as stands and you're eager or willing to see incorporated into your campaigns (assuming it fits the power level)? What reservations do you have? What do you think needs a bit of tweaking to fit right? What is totally broken? If something is broken, how should we fix it? Please be specific and provide your reasoning.

To start with, the one item that's probably gotten the most razzing is the Slow spell. Sounds great in concept, but in practice the nearly immediate deceleration to 1 m/s neutralizes every ballistic and explosive weapon in the game at a trivial force, and also splats the HALO team it was supposed to help insert. Whoops. Off the top of my head, I think it might work better if Slow applied a deceleration based on Force. Say Accel rating equal to 10 x Force with a max load of 200 kg per net hit. Guns still work, but it can be used for parachuting. Drop the Drain code by 1 to account for the restricted effect. Alternatively, just use a Mass Levitate variation. Add +2 to the drain on Levitate and make it Area effect.

As has been colorfully noted elsewhere, whoever added Ballast Tanks to the naval vessels may have meant well but didn't read Arsenal all that carefully since that particular modification only applies to submersibles. It's an easy fix to just ignore that Standard Modification on all but the submarines.

On the other hand, I think the new Milspec Matrix Gear is largely solid. I like having the rules for everything over 6, and the costs/availability seem to scale appropriately to keep them in only high-end campaigns. My big gripe is that the ratings on the commlinks look backwards. I would expect that higher Signal matters more than higher Response to all military grunts but the hackers. I'd be happier to flip those values.

Thoughts on this or anything else in that chapter?
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- Daishi   War! Gear & Rules   Dec 28 2010, 02:03 AM
- - Tzeentch   -- My 4e rules-fu is a bit weak but: Nuclear weap...   Dec 28 2010, 02:40 AM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Dec 27 2010, 09:40 PM) ...   Dec 28 2010, 03:03 AM
|- - otakusensei   QUOTE (Aaron @ Dec 27 2010, 10:03 PM) I w...   Dec 28 2010, 03:41 AM
- - Adarael   QUOTE Nuclear damage in general is anemic beyond t...   Dec 28 2010, 03:01 AM
- - Draco18s   http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=33...   Dec 28 2010, 03:13 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Only if you can encode the more general Encrypt sp...   Dec 28 2010, 04:02 AM
- - KarmaInferno   Personally, the idea of magic emulating tech encry...   Dec 28 2010, 04:06 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Dec 27 2010, 11:06 ...   Dec 28 2010, 04:16 AM
- - KarmaInferno   Okay, I walked right into that one, didn't I? ...   Dec 28 2010, 04:58 AM
|- - otakusensei   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Dec 27 2010, 11:58 ...   Dec 28 2010, 05:47 AM
- - Tzeentch   -- I'm guessing the writer thought that target...   Dec 28 2010, 06:04 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   The biggest rules issue is the rules for combining...   Dec 28 2010, 09:16 AM
- - hermit   Do any of you mind if I use this thread as a basis...   Dec 28 2010, 09:25 AM
- - LurkerOutThere   Without trying to start fights, can you limit your...   Dec 28 2010, 09:33 AM
- - hermit   Many spells need to be severely nerfed (for instan...   Dec 28 2010, 09:37 AM
- - Tzeentch   The forums ate my response Arsenal p. 44 -- If ...   Dec 28 2010, 10:33 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Dec 28 2010, 12:33 PM) ...   Dec 28 2010, 11:10 AM
||- - Tzeentch   QUOTE (Mäx @ Dec 28 2010, 12:10 PM) WHUT,...   Dec 28 2010, 11:20 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Dec 28 2010, 11:33 AM) ...   Dec 28 2010, 12:26 PM
||- - Tzeentch   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 28 2010, 12...   Dec 28 2010, 12:58 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Dec 28 2010, 05:33 AM) ...   Dec 28 2010, 03:26 PM
- - Tzeentch   -- Also probably errata is that none of the War...   Dec 28 2010, 11:05 AM
- - Dahrken   More on the Barrier foam : you can put enough of t...   Dec 28 2010, 11:48 AM
- - hobgoblin   The problem with "cruise missles" is tha...   Dec 28 2010, 11:51 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Daishi @ Dec 28 2010, 03:03 AM) On...   Dec 28 2010, 12:07 PM
- - hermit   Thanks for the Suggestions Tzeentch. It is solid...   Dec 28 2010, 12:12 PM
- - sabs   I think it's probably best to ban War! and...   Dec 28 2010, 12:30 PM
- - hermit   The Missions coordinator person, John Dunn, is the...   Dec 28 2010, 12:36 PM
|- - LurkerOutThere   QUOTE (hermit @ Dec 28 2010, 06:36 AM) Th...   Dec 28 2010, 06:10 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Let's just say the faction rewards vary insane...   Dec 28 2010, 12:39 PM
- - Sengir   Other stuff I noticed in the vehicles section: - T...   Dec 28 2010, 12:46 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Jammers suck in SR4, don't even try to bother....   Dec 28 2010, 01:14 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 28 2010, 01...   Dec 28 2010, 02:19 PM
- - sabs   Not to mention that you no longer have dead matrix...   Dec 28 2010, 01:57 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 02:57 PM) Not ...   Dec 28 2010, 02:32 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 28 2010, 09...   Dec 28 2010, 02:37 PM
- - Traks   That's why Shadowrunners get a mission to turn...   Dec 28 2010, 01:59 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Traks @ Dec 29 2010, 12:59 AM) Tha...   Dec 28 2010, 02:11 PM
|- - Traks   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Dec 28 2010, 02:11...   Dec 28 2010, 02:33 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Really? I'd like to introduce you to thi...   Dec 28 2010, 02:26 PM
- - sabs   Signal 6, ECCM 6, = 12 The best jammer in the wor...   Dec 28 2010, 02:28 PM
- - sabs   Read the descriptions of Chicago, and Lagos. Als...   Dec 28 2010, 02:35 PM
|- - Traks   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 02:35 PM) Read...   Dec 28 2010, 02:38 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 03:35 PM) Read...   Dec 28 2010, 02:43 PM
- - hermit   Maybe there are anti-technomancers, like anti-mage...   Dec 28 2010, 02:38 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   Yeah the energy requirement makes no sense, as wri...   Dec 28 2010, 02:38 PM
- - sabs   It's true 1 guy with a satellite link and all ...   Dec 28 2010, 02:44 PM
- - binarywraith   Why tape that to your hat? Hrm. Really, really lo...   Dec 28 2010, 02:47 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Dec 29 2010, 01:47 ...   Dec 28 2010, 02:58 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Dec 28 2010, 03:58...   Dec 28 2010, 04:25 PM
- - Prime Mover   -Someone mentioned running a UV node on a commlink...   Dec 28 2010, 02:49 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Dec 28 2010, 03:49 P...   Dec 28 2010, 02:53 PM
- - hermit   Yeah, the German names are not in any way better. ...   Dec 28 2010, 03:31 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (hermit @ Dec 28 2010, 10:31 AM) Si...   Dec 28 2010, 03:52 PM
- - sabs   I don't know German at all How rediculous/stup...   Dec 28 2010, 03:32 PM
- - hermit   Imagine an anti-air system named chien-oiseau, the...   Dec 28 2010, 03:39 PM
- - sabs   Wow.. that's.. special.   Dec 28 2010, 03:42 PM
- - hermit   Does the one ESPRIT vehicle name have any funny me...   Dec 28 2010, 03:45 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (hermit @ Dec 28 2010, 05:45 PM) Do...   Dec 28 2010, 03:48 PM
- - JongWK   Is it me, or did aircraft carriers have a massive ...   Dec 28 2010, 03:46 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (JongWK @ Dec 28 2010, 04:46 PM) Is...   Dec 28 2010, 04:12 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 28 2010, 06...   Dec 28 2010, 04:16 PM
- - sabs   What's the full ESPRIT name? I don't have...   Dec 28 2010, 03:47 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   It's the name of a Lotus sports car?   Dec 28 2010, 03:48 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE (War)Esprit Foque Amphibious Assault Craft   Dec 28 2010, 03:49 PM
|- - sabs   Esprit Foque Amphibious Assault Craft Foque: mea...   Dec 28 2010, 03:55 PM
- - sabs   So if someone was doing a Supplement for a German ...   Dec 28 2010, 03:50 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 04:50 PM) So i...   Dec 28 2010, 03:57 PM
|- - Prime Mover   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 10:50 AM) So i...   Dec 28 2010, 04:52 PM
- - sabs   It's true, they might as well have just called...   Dec 28 2010, 03:58 PM
- - hermit   Certainly. QUOTE (War!)Mitsuhama Okami Infan...   Dec 28 2010, 04:01 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (hermit @ Dec 28 2010, 11:01 AM) Ce...   Dec 28 2010, 04:05 PM
- - sabs   Ogaki means either Great God or Wolf Tenshi means ...   Dec 28 2010, 04:11 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 28 2010, 11:11 AM) Ogak...   Dec 28 2010, 04:24 PM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Sengir @ Dec 28 2010, 02:46 PM) --...   Dec 28 2010, 04:12 PM
|- - otakusensei   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 28 2010, 11:12 AM...   Dec 28 2010, 04:29 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 28 2010, 05:12 PM...   Dec 28 2010, 04:50 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   @Sengir: but in the SR timeline, Europe was invade...   Dec 28 2010, 05:14 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE For the same reason there are guns called ...   Dec 28 2010, 04:24 PM
- - Adarael   Ogaki is actually great ghost. Okami/ogami is grea...   Dec 28 2010, 04:28 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Naming schemes change. The 2002 doesn't ...   Dec 28 2010, 04:29 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (hermit @ Dec 28 2010, 04:29 PM) It...   Dec 28 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Okami IFV: wolf. Could be worse, I guess; IFVs/tan...   Dec 28 2010, 04:41 PM
- - Ramaloke   *Points off in the distance* Thread topic is over...   Dec 28 2010, 04:56 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Ramaloke @ Dec 28 2010, 11:56 AM) ...   Dec 28 2010, 05:01 PM
- - Aaron   This is the wrong thing to do, but I'm going t...   Dec 28 2010, 05:01 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Aaron @ Dec 28 2010, 06:01 PM) Yes...   Dec 28 2010, 05:18 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Aaron @ Dec 28 2010, 12:01 PM) Reg...   Dec 28 2010, 05:35 PM
||- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 28 2010, 06:35 PM...   Dec 28 2010, 05:37 PM
||- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Dec 28 2010, 12:37 PM)...   Dec 28 2010, 05:52 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Aaron @ Dec 28 2010, 06:01 PM) may...   Dec 28 2010, 05:41 PM
- - sabs   I a disagree, it asks what needs fixing in the Gea...   Dec 28 2010, 05:01 PM
- - Ramaloke   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 28 2010, 12:01 PM...   Dec 28 2010, 05:07 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE And to add to the ammo for the folks who wan...   Dec 28 2010, 05:26 PM
- - Ascalaphus   @Aaron: Thanks btw. I always enjoy author commenta...   Dec 28 2010, 05:32 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 28 2010, 12:32 PM...   Dec 28 2010, 05:52 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Eh, maybe—I can't find...   Dec 28 2010, 05:43 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Yeah, that's what I meant by "named...   Dec 28 2010, 05:56 PM
- - Kagetenshi   The latter; after trying to purchase the F22 and b...   Dec 28 2010, 06:09 PM
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