 A new take on hacker attributes, Intuition instead of Logic |
 Mar 29 2011, 09:28 PM
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The houserule I normally see used for hacker attributes is Logic + Skill, hits capped by Program Rating. The basic concept is sound; hackers should need more than programs and a nice commlink. However, I don't think Logic is the best choice. It's good for *writing* programs, but the fluff never made sense to me even in SR3 when hackers using Intelligence was RAW. If you're totally immersed in a VR environment, you aren't going to be typing, you're going to be acting. Your programs help you to act. What if you used Intuition + Skill, hits capped by Program Rating? I think it represents the intuitive, action-oriented paradigm of a VR reality much better than Logic does.
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Tyro A new take on hacker attributes Mar 29 2011, 09:28 PM
Yerameyahu Plus, it's hard to raise Intuition, and no sne... Mar 29 2011, 09:31 PM
Tyro QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 29 2011, 01:31 PM... Mar 29 2011, 09:32 PM
Faraday QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 01:32 PM) Also... Mar 29 2011, 09:49 PM Tyro QUOTE (Faraday @ Mar 29 2011, 01:49 PM) 7... Mar 29 2011, 09:52 PM redwulf25 QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 29 2011, 05:31 PM... Mar 29 2011, 11:33 PM Warlordtheft QUOTE (redwulf25 @ Mar 29 2011, 07:33 PM)... Mar 30 2011, 03:05 PM Yerameyahu Lots of scifi movies tell us that your personality... Mar 29 2011, 09:53 PM Tyro QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 29 2011, 01:53 PM... Mar 29 2011, 09:53 PM Faraday QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 01:53 PM) They... Mar 29 2011, 10:15 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 02:53 PM) They... Mar 29 2011, 10:27 PM tete Intuition make a lot more sense for "on the f... Mar 29 2011, 10:31 PM Epicedion Intuition really has nothing at all to do with hac... Mar 29 2011, 10:44 PM tete QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 29 2011, 11:44 PM)... Mar 30 2011, 06:42 PM Epicedion QUOTE (tete @ Mar 30 2011, 01:42 PM) When... Mar 30 2011, 06:46 PM Yerameyahu It's totally arbitrary to say that Intuition i... Mar 29 2011, 10:53 PM KarmaInferno The rules never actually supported it, but they us... Mar 29 2011, 11:04 PM Belvidere QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Mar 29 2011, 08:04 ... Mar 29 2011, 11:10 PM Tyro The way I see it, if you're in a full VR envir... Mar 29 2011, 11:13 PM Ascalaphus I've thought about that too. I would prefer th... Mar 29 2011, 11:32 PM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 02:28 PM) The ... Mar 29 2011, 11:34 PM Tyro QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 03:34 PM... Mar 29 2011, 11:40 PM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 04:40 PM) Hits... Mar 29 2011, 11:42 PM Faraday QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 03:42 PM... Mar 29 2011, 11:43 PM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Faraday @ Mar 29 2011, 04:43 PM) P... Mar 29 2011, 11:49 PM Tyro QUOTE (Faraday @ Mar 29 2011, 03:43 PM) P... Mar 29 2011, 11:53 PM K1ll5w1tch I like the idea but how would that work for TM... Mar 30 2011, 01:08 AM Tyro QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 05:08 PM... Mar 30 2011, 01:09 AM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 06:09 PM) This... Mar 30 2011, 01:11 AM Tyro QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 05:11 PM... Mar 30 2011, 01:20 AM Faraday QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 29 2011, 05:20 PM) Not ... Mar 30 2011, 01:24 AM Belvidere QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 10:08 PM... Mar 30 2011, 01:10 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 07:08 PM... Mar 30 2011, 02:16 AM Belvidere QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 29 2011, 11... Mar 30 2011, 02:33 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Belvidere @ Mar 29 2011, 08:33 PM)... Mar 30 2011, 02:34 AM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 29 2011, 07... Mar 30 2011, 03:01 AM Epicedion Technomancers shouldn't necessarily be better ... Mar 30 2011, 02:43 AM Epicedion A cap of program*2 would end up being meaningless ... Mar 30 2011, 03:07 AM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 29 2011, 08:07 PM)... Mar 30 2011, 03:27 AM Yerameyahu That's a different DP and a different cap.
H... Mar 30 2011, 03:41 AM Epicedion QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 29 2011, 10:27 PM... Mar 30 2011, 04:15 AM Ascalaphus You wouldn't need an R6 program in the average... Mar 30 2011, 07:50 AM Yerameyahu … Yes, and a measly Rating 3 program has you cover... Mar 30 2011, 01:25 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:25 AM... Mar 30 2011, 01:30 PM Yerameyahu I know, Tymeaus, but they were discussing that par... Mar 30 2011, 01:37 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:37 AM... Mar 30 2011, 01:42 PM Yerameyahu Yup, you did. Guns and 'ware (and spells) don... Mar 30 2011, 01:48 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:48 AM... Mar 30 2011, 02:12 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 30 2011, 10... Mar 30 2011, 02:21 PM Yerameyahu Exactly. And spells no longer have their own Force... Mar 30 2011, 02:19 PM K1ll5w1tch with program*1 then it still comes down to whats t... Mar 30 2011, 02:54 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 30 2011, 08:54 AM... Mar 30 2011, 03:46 PM Ascalaphus I've been thinking about dispensing with progr... Mar 30 2011, 03:09 PM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Mar 30 2011, 08:09 AM... Mar 30 2011, 03:14 PM StealthSigma I just want to toss out that I wouldn't comple... Mar 30 2011, 03:29 PM sabs Threading seems to make perfect sense to me.
if I... Mar 30 2011, 03:45 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (sabs @ Mar 30 2011, 09:45 AM) Thre... Mar 30 2011, 03:46 PM Ascalaphus QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Mar 30 2011, 04:14 PM... Mar 30 2011, 03:58 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Mar 30 2011, 10:58 AM... Mar 30 2011, 04:02 PM K1ll5w1tch QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Mar 30 2011, 08:58 AM... Mar 30 2011, 04:04 PM sabs You can include program options that you have to p... Mar 30 2011, 05:02 PM Stahlseele i present to you/remind you of:
The Ends of the Ma... Mar 30 2011, 05:06 PM Yerameyahu Except you also need Logic, and Willpower, etc.
I... Mar 30 2011, 08:08 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 03:08 PM... Mar 30 2011, 09:33 PM Epicedion I'm actually going to revist this for a moment... Mar 30 2011, 10:01 PM Tyro QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 30 2011, 03:01 PM)... Mar 30 2011, 10:08 PM Yerameyahu Fixing computer code also has nothing to do with C... Mar 31 2011, 01:23 AM Tyro QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:23 PM... Mar 31 2011, 01:49 AM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 09:23 PM... Mar 31 2011, 04:57 AM StealthSigma QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 31 2011, 12:57 AM)... Mar 31 2011, 01:02 PM Epicedion QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 31 2011, 09:02 ... Mar 31 2011, 04:49 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 31 2011, 12:49 PM)... Mar 31 2011, 06:24 PM Epicedion QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 31 2011, 02:24 ... Mar 31 2011, 06:43 PM Yerameyahu Again, I really think that hacking in 2070 is basi... Mar 31 2011, 05:14 AM Epicedion Well if the video game analogy were true, hacking ... Mar 31 2011, 05:18 AM Yerameyahu It is. Mentally, so Intuition. Agility is for mov... Mar 31 2011, 05:28 AM The Shuhite Lets see if this analogy works.
When my computer ... Mar 31 2011, 05:41 AM Epicedion QUOTE (The Shuhite @ Mar 31 2011, 12:41 A... Mar 31 2011, 06:07 AM tete QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 31 2011, 06:07 AM)... Mar 31 2011, 04:23 PM Tyro If you're in a virtual space, I'd use intu... Mar 31 2011, 09:01 AM Yerameyahu I think AR and VR are still very similar, but sure... Mar 31 2011, 01:21 PM Yerameyahu QUOTE Intuition the stat helps you notice shiny ob... Mar 31 2011, 07:18 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 02:18 PM... Mar 31 2011, 07:46 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 31 2011, 02:46 PM)... Mar 31 2011, 08:13 PM StealthSigma Double post Mar 31 2011, 08:14 PM Epicedion QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 31 2011, 04:13 ... Mar 31 2011, 08:31 PM Yerameyahu I agree that looking at the Intuition skills impli... Mar 31 2011, 08:00 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 04:00 PM... Mar 31 2011, 08:20 PM Epicedion Back to an earlier discussion in this thread, I ha... Mar 31 2011, 08:05 PM Yerameyahu Or even Program Rating + 1. It does also depend on... Mar 31 2011, 08:10 PM Critias I think Logic is a better fit, not only thematical... Mar 31 2011, 08:23 PM Yerameyahu SR4A p226.
It's sounds like you're saying... Mar 31 2011, 08:24 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 03:24 PM... Mar 31 2011, 08:32 PM Tyro QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 31 2011, 01:32 ... Mar 31 2011, 08:46 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 04:24 PM... Mar 31 2011, 08:45 PM Yerameyahu It's almost like Skill+Program is the happy me... Mar 31 2011, 08:33 PM Epicedion I still hate hit caps. It feels like the game syst... Mar 31 2011, 08:49 PM Yerameyahu I agree, of course. That's why this whole deb... Mar 31 2011, 08:51 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 04:51 PM... Mar 31 2011, 09:01 PM Epicedion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 04:51 PM... Mar 31 2011, 09:15 PM  |
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