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longbowrocks
post May 22 2011, 11:20 PM
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I'm building a hacker/rigger/face. I have no dice pools over 20 or under 12, and I have 83k left with which to get my drones in order, so no worries there. My problem is that Hackers need TONS of programs to be effective, but they need a SIN to install these programs.
  • If I get a maximum rating 6 fake SIN, There's a good chance I will loose almost all my programs (unwired suggests a threshold of 2-4 to make my fake SIN check against, which will rape my programs).
  • I feel a real SIN is not an option for me. I'm building the most invisible hacker ever, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to get a negative quality that makes me more visible than most shadowrunners. It really bugs me how hackers should be very anonymous, but sammies are far more so if they just buy Erased (since they hardly ever leave matrix footprints anyway, and there are no dang resonance archives for the physical world).
  • The third option involves constantly degrading software. There's no way I can keep up with the checks to repair my own code or patch corporate (X month/1 week check respectively). I couldn't even keep up if my GM allowed me to patch multiple programs simultaneously at a cumulative -1 penalty (a rule I just came up with, but one he might agree to).
  • As a subset of option 3, I could hack corporations for the updates, but I doubt my GM would appreciate me going on 24 private hacking missions every month.

All in all, it seems impossible to play a hacker outside of prison (well, I guess I'm open to that as long as they don't take my commlink). Thoughts?
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- longbowrocks   Hacker Rules   May 22 2011, 11:20 PM
- - Halflife   The check is actually SIN vs a system rating of 2-...   May 23 2011, 12:14 AM
- - SpellBinder   In reading Unwired on the purchasing of software w...   May 23 2011, 12:16 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 22 2011, 04:16 P...   May 23 2011, 12:44 AM
|- - Halflife   QUOTE (SR4A p. 65)RUSHING THE JOB In some cases, a...   May 23 2011, 12:55 AM
- - ggodo   Well, speaking as the GM, Halflife's solution ...   May 23 2011, 12:56 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (ggodo @ May 22 2011, 04:56 PM) Wel...   May 23 2011, 01:00 AM
- - Bushw4cker   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 22 2011, 11:20 ...   May 23 2011, 12:58 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 04:58 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:07 AM
||- - Bushw4cker   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 23 2011, 01:07 ...   May 23 2011, 01:25 AM
||- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 06:25 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:39 AM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 05:25 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:47 AM
||- - Fatum   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 23 2011, 05:47 ...   May 23 2011, 02:39 AM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Fatum @ May 22 2011, 06:39 PM) I j...   May 23 2011, 03:37 AM
|- - Halflife   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 08:58 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:09 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Halflife @ May 22 2011, 05:09 PM) ...   May 23 2011, 01:12 AM
|- - ggodo   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 22 2011, 06:12 ...   May 23 2011, 01:17 AM
|- - Halflife   QUOTE (ggodo @ May 22 2011, 09:17 PM) Wel...   May 23 2011, 01:26 AM
|- - Bushw4cker   QUOTE (Halflife @ May 23 2011, 01:26 AM) ...   May 23 2011, 01:40 AM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 05:40 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:57 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Halflife @ May 22 2011, 05:26 PM) ...   May 23 2011, 01:55 AM
|- - Halflife   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 22 2011, 09:55 ...   May 23 2011, 02:17 AM
- - Bushw4cker   Remember to get Firewall Rating 6 For a Hacker th...   May 23 2011, 01:07 AM
|- - Halflife   QUOTE (Bushw4cker @ May 22 2011, 09:07 PM...   May 23 2011, 01:12 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Doesn't sound familar, Fatum. It's not one...   May 23 2011, 05:00 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 22 2011, 09:00 PM...   May 23 2011, 07:02 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 23 2011, 03:02 ...   May 23 2011, 10:57 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 23 2011, 02:57 AM)...   May 23 2011, 02:19 PM
- - SpellBinder   I think this is what Fatum is thinking about: QUOT...   May 23 2011, 05:18 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 23 2011, 09:18 A...   May 23 2011, 10:02 AM
- - TheOOB   Who ever said software with the registration and c...   May 23 2011, 10:21 AM
- - Hida Tsuzua   I second piracy. You don't have to buy a new ...   May 23 2011, 11:41 AM
- - Magus   AFB right now but your own CREATED/WRITTEN softwar...   May 23 2011, 12:14 PM
|- - Shaikujin   QUOTE (Magus @ May 23 2011, 12:14 PM) AFB...   May 23 2011, 01:25 PM
- - suoq   Sanity check: 1st check with your gamemaster. What...   May 23 2011, 12:34 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Your hand-written software totally degrades. It ju...   May 23 2011, 01:05 PM
- - Magus   Ah Ha so I was not crazy delusional when I posted ...   May 23 2011, 01:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   "in this fashion, but may require patching to...   May 23 2011, 01:40 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 23 2011, 06:40 AM...   May 23 2011, 01:42 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Right. They only require patching if the GM isn...   May 23 2011, 01:44 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 23 2011, 06:44 AM...   May 23 2011, 01:49 PM
- - Cheops   Does it really matter at all how much a hacker...   May 23 2011, 01:52 PM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Cheops @ May 23 2011, 06:52 AM) Do...   May 23 2011, 09:00 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 23 2011, 01:00 P...   May 24 2011, 03:18 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It was mentioned earlier: optional rule to spend E...   May 24 2011, 03:25 AM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 23 2011, 10:25 PM...   May 24 2011, 03:31 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 24 2011, 12:18 ...   May 24 2011, 03:45 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 23 2011, 08:45 PM)...   May 24 2011, 12:55 PM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 09...   May 24 2011, 01:46 PM
- - longbowrocks   Thanks for the synopsis on SOTA. What are you goi...   May 24 2011, 03:48 AM
- - PoliteMan   Yeah, that'd be the only way to run it on any ...   May 24 2011, 03:57 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 23 2011, 07:57 PM)...   May 24 2011, 04:03 AM
- - Yerameyahu   PoliteMan, I wouldn't call that a 'basic...   May 24 2011, 04:05 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 24 2011, 12:03 ...   May 24 2011, 04:40 AM
- - TheOOB   I think the rules are supposed to break down after...   May 24 2011, 08:56 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (TheOOB @ May 24 2011, 01:56 AM) I ...   May 25 2011, 03:25 AM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Udoshi @ May 24 2011, 10:25 PM) (e...   May 25 2011, 04:37 AM
|- - Cheops   QUOTE (Epicedion @ May 25 2011, 04:37 AM)...   May 25 2011, 03:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Don't forget that the -1 die per test rule isn...   May 24 2011, 01:22 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 24 2011, 06:22 AM...   May 24 2011, 01:29 PM
- - sabs   Logic(9)+Skill(6)+Spec(2)+Encephalon(2)+PuSHeD(1)+...   May 24 2011, 01:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I think we can still agree that's nowhere near...   May 24 2011, 02:01 PM
- - sabs   I think the problem is that people underestimate t...   May 24 2011, 02:23 PM
- - longbowrocks   I was planning to rush the job and use edge to neg...   May 24 2011, 02:46 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   For the Twink Answer... A Spirit backing you up wi...   May 24 2011, 03:18 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 07...   May 25 2011, 02:12 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 10:12 ...   May 25 2011, 03:44 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 24 2011, 07:44 PM)...   May 25 2011, 03:49 AM
|- - Daishi   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 24 2011, 08:49 ...   May 25 2011, 05:15 AM
- - James McMurray   Ah, no worries. Ours is not the sort of game where...   May 24 2011, 03:23 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 24 2011, 08:2...   May 24 2011, 03:27 PM
||- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 10...   May 24 2011, 03:36 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 24 2011, 08:3...   May 24 2011, 03:46 PM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 25 2011, 12:2...   May 24 2011, 03:34 PM
|- - Raiki   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 24 2011, 10:34 AM)...   May 25 2011, 02:23 AM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Raiki @ May 24 2011, 08:23 PM) Wel...   May 25 2011, 02:26 AM
|- - Raiki   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 24 2011, 09:26 P...   May 25 2011, 02:38 AM
- - sabs   Sometimes the GM has to step in and say, "no...   May 24 2011, 03:29 PM
- - sabs   Where do you get that program ratings are capped a...   May 24 2011, 03:50 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ May 24 2011, 08:50 AM) Wher...   May 24 2011, 03:56 PM
- - PoliteMan   I think the feasible theoretical max is a R21 Prog...   May 25 2011, 01:56 AM
- - longbowrocks   Quick question I've been thinking about all da...   May 25 2011, 03:07 AM
- - Yerameyahu   By the rules, you can arguably do that. It's p...   May 25 2011, 03:49 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 25 2011, 11:49 AM...   May 25 2011, 03:55 AM
- - longbowrocks   Couldn't I just build a drone around that resp...   May 25 2011, 04:35 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 01:35 ...   May 25 2011, 04:42 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 24 2011, 10:35 ...   May 25 2011, 01:11 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 25 2011, 05...   May 25 2011, 02:40 PM
- - longbowrocks   Alright. Commlink then, degrading that immense 13 ...   May 25 2011, 04:44 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 01:44 ...   May 25 2011, 05:04 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 24 2011, 09:04 PM)...   May 25 2011, 05:28 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 01:28 ...   May 25 2011, 06:01 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 24 2011, 10:01 PM)...   May 25 2011, 06:15 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 02:15 ...   May 25 2011, 06:26 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (PoliteMan @ May 24 2011, 10:26 PM)...   May 25 2011, 06:35 AM
|- - PoliteMan   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 25 2011, 02:35 ...   May 25 2011, 06:40 AM
- - longbowrocks   Here's an interesting one: "Pilot upgrade...   May 25 2011, 06:24 AM
- - Ascalaphus   Household drones would be rating 3 yeah. But I...   May 25 2011, 09:13 AM
- - Fortinbras   This gives me an idea for a run. Runners are hire...   May 25 2011, 10:36 AM
- - sabs   And before War! Nothing above 6 would have bee...   May 25 2011, 03:19 PM
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