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Patrick Goodman
post Oct 19 2011, 02:12 AM
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Way back in the dark days of the CGL/freelancer debacle (and I can think of no better word, I'm afraid, for what went down), there was a whole lot of yapping by a whole lot of people about freelancers getting paid. I wouldn't write for them for a while, and I knew some other freelancers that also held off writing for them. When I mentioned that I had started freelancing for them again, it was after a good bit of discussion with other freelancers and CGL themselves; I didn't re-enter that madhouse willy-nilly.

While the public outcry has long since subsided, I've received several emails and PMs from people since making that decision, asking me, "What the hell are you thinking?! They're just going to screw you again! Have you lost your damn mind?"

So here's a little bit of transparency for some of you people to chew on: I get paid for proofreading, and I get paid for writing. Since my return, I've proofed five products (that I recall; I'd need to double-check my records, but I believe five is correct) and written for one. I have been paid for all five products I've proofed, and while I've not been paid for my writing on Street Legends, that payment is also not contractually due for a few more weeks. I'd love it early, especially my author's copies, but patience has never been my strong suit.

All back payments from the Great Unpleasantness of last year have long since been made good.

Now, this is all connected to me, because I don't know the details of the other freelancers' situations, but the fact is we do talk and no one has, to my recollection, bitched about not getting paid. So what this tells me is that CGL has turned things around fairly successfully. We've put out a great deal of product recently, and I think the quality has been steadily increasing. I think some of the stuff coming down the pipe, my involvement (or lack thereof) notwithstanding, is some pretty good stuff.

So I'm not saying that you have to like what CGL is doing with the line, you don't have to like any of the new products, and you don't have to like the company. But for those of you concerned that they're just going to rip off their freelancers again, I have to say that, from my perspective at the moment, at least...that's not an issue any longer. I sure wouldn't be working on some of the projects I'm preparing to pitch if I thought they were still going to rip me off.

Far as I'm concerned, everything's cool. I don't know that I need shades at the moment, but the future looks bright to me.
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- Patrick Goodman   My history with CGL   Oct 19 2011, 02:12 AM
- - Prime Mover   Its nice to see some positive info. And love or l...   Oct 19 2011, 02:21 AM
- - Cain   I've proofed two products, and haven't got...   Oct 19 2011, 02:27 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   To be fair, I get paid for proofing in store credi...   Oct 19 2011, 03:42 AM
- - Method   Okay, first the preemptive color text: Please rev...   Oct 19 2011, 03:56 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 18 2011, 07:56 PM) An...   Oct 19 2011, 08:49 AM
||- - Bull   QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 19 2011, 03:49 AM) Seve...   Oct 19 2011, 05:24 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 19 2011, 04:56 AM) I ...   Oct 19 2011, 07:53 PM
||- - Method   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 19 2011, 01:53 PM) Don...   Oct 19 2011, 09:20 PM
||- - Cain   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 19 2011, 11:53 AM) Real...   Oct 19 2011, 11:46 PM
||- - kzt   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 19 2011, 12:53 PM) Don...   Oct 20 2011, 05:28 PM
||- - Paul   QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 20 2011, 01:28 PM) They ...   Oct 20 2011, 05:32 PM
||- - Ryu   QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 20 2011, 07:28 PM) They ...   Oct 22 2011, 01:27 PM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 19 2011, 04:56 AM) An...   Oct 21 2011, 04:55 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (tete @ Oct 21 2011, 08:55 AM) I ag...   Oct 22 2011, 05:51 PM
- - CanRay   Thanks for the heads up, Patrick! Good to hea...   Oct 19 2011, 04:07 AM
- - Method   Not directed at anyone in particular, CanRay. I ...   Oct 19 2011, 04:16 AM
- - CanRay   Thus the smiley, Method. 'Sall good, just p...   Oct 19 2011, 04:35 AM
- - Bull   Method: Just a note, consider doing a quick edit ...   Oct 19 2011, 06:25 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Bull @ Oct 19 2011, 01:25 AM) Meth...   Oct 19 2011, 10:00 AM
- - Blade   @CanRay: Look for The Gaming Den if you want to se...   Oct 19 2011, 08:02 AM
- - ravensmuse   I just want to say that I know that I've been ...   Oct 19 2011, 10:29 AM
- - Shortstraw   This good stuff coming down the pipe - not asking ...   Oct 19 2011, 11:05 AM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 06:05 AM...   Oct 19 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Yes   Oct 19 2011, 12:14 PM
- - Paul   Sigh. I'm sure someone will take this the wron...   Oct 19 2011, 12:33 PM
- - Critias   Just for the record, but my eyes were wide open wh...   Oct 19 2011, 03:18 PM
- - CanRay   QUOTE (Blade @ Oct 19 2011, 03:02 AM) @Ca...   Oct 19 2011, 04:44 PM
- - CanRay   Yeah, but does it have the stuff we're asking ...   Oct 19 2011, 05:42 PM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 19 2011, 01:42 PM) Ye...   Oct 19 2011, 07:44 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Bull @ Oct 19 2011, 03:44 PM) Ummm...   Oct 19 2011, 07:54 PM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 19 2011, 03:54 PM) Link...   Oct 19 2011, 08:05 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Bull @ Oct 19 2011, 03:05 PM) http...   Oct 19 2011, 10:56 PM
- - SecGuard   Hi Patrick, thanks for the update, its good to hea...   Oct 19 2011, 06:31 PM
- - Grinder   It's just full of adventure hooks, npcs, and s...   Oct 19 2011, 07:52 PM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (Grinder @ Oct 19 2011, 03:52 PM) I...   Oct 19 2011, 08:03 PM
- - ravensmuse   Not gonna lie - if we could get some more stuff th...   Oct 19 2011, 11:16 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (Bull @ Oct 19 2011, 12:25 AM) Meth...   Oct 20 2011, 03:37 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Oct 19 2011, 10...   Oct 20 2011, 03:41 AM
||- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 19 2011, 10:41 PM) No...   Oct 20 2011, 04:09 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Oct 19 2011, 10...   Oct 20 2011, 04:36 AM
- - CanRay   RE: My history with CGL   Oct 20 2011, 04:15 AM
- - ravensmuse   More generic stats (which is partially why I'm...   Oct 20 2011, 10:23 AM
- - UmaroVI   So far as I'm concerned, the new leaf is turni...   Oct 20 2011, 10:34 AM
|- - ravensmuse   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Oct 20 2011, 06:34 AM) S...   Oct 20 2011, 11:20 AM
- - Shortstraw   Aye some errata would be nice.   Oct 20 2011, 11:10 AM
- - Paul   If this is becoming a wish list I'll pass on p...   Oct 20 2011, 11:56 AM
- - Shortstraw   They are looking for errata pdf's to be posted...   Oct 20 2011, 11:58 AM
- - Paul   Yeah my comment was mostly directed at where I...   Oct 20 2011, 12:00 PM
- - Paul   We all have our own opinions.   Oct 21 2011, 05:24 PM
- - Shortstraw   Paizo's 3 stage playtests do a pretty good job...   Oct 22 2011, 11:26 PM
- - Ancient History   I'm a bitter, black-hearted bastard when the d...   Oct 22 2011, 11:29 PM
- - raben-aas   Just to chime in with what Patrick said: I have be...   Nov 1 2011, 02:08 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   Thread necro to inform those that care that Cataly...   Nov 16 2011, 12:41 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 15 2011, 08...   Nov 16 2011, 12:47 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 15 2011, 08...   Nov 17 2011, 05:23 PM
|- - SecGuard   QUOTE (Critias @ Nov 17 2011, 06:23 PM) Y...   Nov 17 2011, 06:07 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Well... he did get into more contracts...   Nov 16 2011, 01:21 AM
- - coolgrafix   So I'm away from the game for a few years and ...   Nov 20 2011, 11:19 PM
- - CanRay   Bad drek happened. Things happened. Better drek ...   Nov 20 2011, 11:20 PM
- - Bigity   There are plenty of threads around that cover thin...   Nov 21 2011, 02:51 AM
- - coolgrafix   Ask for a summary and you get a summary. Can some...   Nov 21 2011, 03:53 AM
- - ravensmuse   Sure. I keep this link handy just in case. Summar...   Nov 21 2011, 04:04 AM
- - kzt   The owner of CGL built his mansion using company f...   Nov 21 2011, 04:13 AM
- - hobgoblin   opinions differ   Nov 21 2011, 04:22 AM
- - ravensmuse   And now that this conversation has returned like a...   Nov 21 2011, 04:23 AM
|- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Nov 20 2011, 10:23 PM...   Nov 21 2011, 05:20 AM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 21 2011, 03...   Nov 21 2011, 09:19 AM
|- - ravensmuse   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 21 2011, 12...   Nov 21 2011, 11:20 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   The general consensus is that the product line too...   Nov 21 2011, 04:36 AM
- - Cain   I'm not allowed to comment on the quality of t...   Nov 21 2011, 05:23 AM
- - coolgrafix   kzt, Jhaiisiin and ravensmuse, thanks for the summ...   Nov 21 2011, 06:31 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   To honor PG's request, go ahead and make a new...   Nov 21 2011, 06:44 AM
- - coolgrafix   Sorry Patrick, hadn't seen your request before...   Nov 21 2011, 07:03 AM
- - coolgrafix   As requested, new thread located here.   Nov 21 2011, 07:13 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   Coolgrafix and ravensmuse: No sweat. It's just...   Nov 21 2011, 03:01 PM
|- - ravensmuse   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 21 2011, 10...   Nov 22 2011, 02:17 AM
- - CanRay   "You know me from posts on a forum, not perso...   Nov 21 2011, 04:26 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 21 2011, 08:26 AM) ...   Nov 21 2011, 07:35 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Nov 21 2011, 03:3...   Nov 21 2011, 08:46 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   So, should we start making Turing's tests to e...   Nov 21 2011, 05:44 PM
- - Adarael   If you do that, I suggest you read the book ...   Nov 21 2011, 07:14 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Well played, X   Nov 21 2011, 07:45 PM
- - X-Kalibur   A sad truth about life, in the grand scheme of thi...   Nov 21 2011, 11:22 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Nov 21 2011, 07:2...   Nov 22 2011, 02:48 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   Oh, look, thread necromancy. There's a lot of...   Jan 3 2013, 07:42 PM
- - Bigity   I have a question. Have you ever eaten at the Big...   Jan 3 2013, 08:18 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jan 3 2013, 01:18 PM) I h...   Jan 3 2013, 09:41 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   Several times, though I've never attempted the...   Jan 3 2013, 08:59 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 3 2013, 01:5...   Jan 3 2013, 09:47 PM
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- - Patrick Goodman   My uncle's done it. Twice. I look at that thin...   Jan 3 2013, 09:51 PM
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|- - kzt   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jan 3 2013, 02:57 PM...   Jan 3 2013, 10:06 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jan 3 2013, 02:57 PM...   Jan 3 2013, 10:08 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   Don't get snarky on me. Yes, I speak metric. ...   Jan 3 2013, 10:08 PM
- - Lionhearted   That's half a baby worth of meat! Also, h...   Jan 3 2013, 10:09 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jan 3 2013, 03:11 PM...   Jan 3 2013, 10:17 PM
- - Lionhearted   A normal size burger here is 90g, think I've s...   Jan 3 2013, 10:22 PM
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