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post Nov 3 2011, 02:25 PM
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Not to pick on any one user but this caught my attention:


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Doesn't the world of SR4A have a flavor text stating that EVERYONE carries some sort of firearm for protection? If so, then it's not surprising if people started making their weapons like accessories & matching some pieces with some clothes/shoes. Easy to see a corp bunny with a pink, blinged out Colt L36 that perfectly matches her shoes for that night out at Cub Penumbra.


Now this sticks in my craw for a few reasons. So I want to open up a discussion on how everyone sees the game world and just how armed it really is, and when.

So for my own view point-which is similar to the post above-but with some differences. I think it wouldn't be uncommon to be armed outside of corporate enclaves and government strongholds. Despite the flavor text-in one of the rare few cases I have a major disagreement with the "Fluff" as it were-I see no reason why anyone would allow anything heavier than what we currently see in society now a days. Obviously because of the fracturing of society as we know it, and the balkanization of both governments and corporations (Something I think gets way over played at some points. Yes they'd be adversarial but just like today it's better to reign in hell than let someone else in on the game. Some cooperation would exist-even if it was twisted, and oft times self serving.)

So while I think it wouldn't be uncommon for the average SINner to own a small arm, or even a fancy knife or ceremonial sword-I doubt too much they'd be allowed to walk around willy nilly showing off their hardware in areas where organized society and law enforcement exist. And despite the seemingly easy going atmosphere in most Shadowrun authors fictional portrayal of the world booze and weapons don't mix. Even in poorer areas I suspect there would be a heavy stigma against, if not an out right ban on brandishing weaponry in a nightclub or other establishment.

Now I'm sure someone will throw the barrens in my face. And I agree to every rule there are exceptions. but say you're running a bar, even in the barrens and a bunch of cats keep showing up with automatic weapons, and pounding brews while they plot felonies they'd like to commit. Why do you stay in business? what's to stop them from taking your business? Killing you? I'm sure the more enterprising of you will say-well I'd fight! I'd hire muscle! And BHAM! we enter the never ending cycle of war right?

In the end for my dollar Shadowrun is a dangerous world, and a world where automatic weapons are more easily acquired. But its' not one where you walk around brandishing your arms like a knight one horse in a medieval village.

But every table is different. What are your views?
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- Paul   Shadowrun Setting: An Armed Society?   Nov 3 2011, 02:25 PM
- - Blade   It was never really clear to me if (and if so whic...   Nov 3 2011, 02:41 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   I have always viewed it that Pistols are very comm...   Nov 3 2011, 02:51 PM
|- - Nath   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 3 2011, 03...   Nov 3 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Nath @ Nov 3 2011, 01:00 PM) But i...   Nov 3 2011, 07:59 PM
||- - Bull   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 3 2011, 02...   Nov 3 2011, 08:31 PM
|- - EKBT81   QUOTE (Nath @ Nov 3 2011, 08:00 PM) In so...   Nov 3 2011, 09:40 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Nath @ Nov 3 2011, 07:00 PM) But i...   Nov 4 2011, 03:38 PM
- - CanRay   With the exception of Ares, I don't see the AA...   Nov 3 2011, 03:18 PM
- - MK Ultra   I play seattle mostly, and run it low key. basic a...   Nov 3 2011, 04:02 PM
- - JonathanC   I'd say that SINless are probably more likely ...   Nov 3 2011, 04:38 PM
- - Paul   I imagine a funny scene in which the armed employe...   Nov 3 2011, 04:43 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 3 2011, 09:43 AM) I ima...   Nov 3 2011, 05:03 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Nov 3 2011, 12:03 PM) ...   Nov 3 2011, 05:20 PM
- - Hida Tsuzua   Considering the prevalence of high end high armore...   Nov 3 2011, 05:07 PM
- - Bull   One of the early SR books... I want to say it was...   Nov 3 2011, 05:12 PM
- - Saint Hallow   Thanks for bringing this up as it's always som...   Nov 3 2011, 06:11 PM
- - kzt   The SR fluff is kind of contradictory on a bunch o...   Nov 3 2011, 07:26 PM
- - cleggster   If you need to know for a game, you could always r...   Nov 3 2011, 07:37 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (cleggster @ Nov 3 2011, 08:37 PM) ...   Nov 4 2011, 12:55 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Sengir @ Nov 4 2011, 07:55 AM) Yep...   Nov 4 2011, 02:20 PM
- - nezumi   I imagine it's like everything else in SR; if ...   Nov 3 2011, 07:46 PM
- - CanRay   In the Barrens, walking down the street with an AK...   Nov 3 2011, 09:14 PM
- - Mayhem_2006   Reminds me somewhat of the Underground setting whe...   Nov 4 2011, 05:44 AM
- - Midas   Don't disagree with most of the posts so far, ...   Nov 4 2011, 07:20 AM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 4 2011, 09:20 AM) Don...   Nov 4 2011, 10:42 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 4 2011, 07:20 AM) Don...   Nov 4 2011, 03:31 PM
- - Hida Tsuzua   If you go with the enclave model of SR life, it le...   Nov 4 2011, 03:01 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Hida Tsuzua @ Nov 4 2011, 03:01 PM...   Nov 4 2011, 03:35 PM
|- - Hida Tsuzua   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 4 2011, 04:35 PM) Not...   Nov 4 2011, 05:46 PM
- - Paul   I'm curious when any of you see a (wo)man with...   Nov 4 2011, 06:31 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 4 2011, 06:31 PM) I...   Nov 4 2011, 07:31 PM
||- - Paul   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 4 2011, 02:31 PM) Wha...   Nov 4 2011, 08:21 PM
||- - Daylen   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 4 2011, 08:21 PM) I don...   Nov 4 2011, 09:00 PM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 4 2011, 01:31 PM) I...   Nov 7 2011, 02:55 PM
- - Paul   I didn't notice much difference when I lived d...   Nov 4 2011, 10:04 PM
- - Hida Tsuzua   There is a difference between being respectful and...   Nov 4 2011, 11:28 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Hida Tsuzua @ Nov 4 2011, 11:28 PM...   Nov 5 2011, 01:41 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 4 2011, 06:41 PM) In ...   Nov 5 2011, 02:58 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 5 2011, 03:58 AM) It...   Nov 5 2011, 01:37 PM
- - CanRay   Watch the Subway scene in Predator II. That's...   Nov 4 2011, 11:34 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 4 2011, 11:34 PM) Wat...   Nov 5 2011, 01:23 AM
- - CanRay   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 4 2011, 06:34 PM) Wat...   Nov 5 2011, 02:32 AM
- - Daylen   For those that think SR is fairly well armed: do y...   Nov 5 2011, 03:58 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 5 2011, 12:58 PM) Or ...   Nov 5 2011, 04:49 PM
||- - CanRay   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 5 2011, 11...   Nov 5 2011, 05:13 PM
||- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 5 2011, 05:13 PM) Fun...   Nov 5 2011, 05:15 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 5 2011, 08:58 AM) For...   Nov 6 2011, 04:23 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 6 2011, 05:23 AM) I can...   Nov 6 2011, 01:33 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 6 2011, 06:33 AM) You...   Nov 6 2011, 09:06 PM
- - Paul   I like my NPC's to make sense. It's not an...   Nov 5 2011, 04:51 PM
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- - CanRay   I had my group *BE* the bystanders of a shoot-out ...   Nov 6 2011, 04:25 AM
|- - Faraday   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 5 2011, 08:25 PM) I h...   Nov 6 2011, 03:00 PM
- - Tech_Rat   CanRay, if I am EVER, for some unGodly reason, in ...   Nov 6 2011, 05:25 AM
- - CanRay   I'd need a group first. Bring one. Demos, ho...   Nov 6 2011, 05:47 AM
- - Tech_Rat   What's the difficulty of smuggling several Ame...   Nov 6 2011, 05:49 AM
- - CanRay   Getting into Canada? No problem. Getting back to...   Nov 6 2011, 05:50 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 6 2011, 06:50 AM) Get...   Nov 6 2011, 01:29 PM
- - Paul   Bull's comments made me think about this-and I...   Nov 6 2011, 03:56 PM
- - CanRay   Hell, I've been interested for 20-years and st...   Nov 6 2011, 05:26 PM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 4 2011, 09:31 PM) The...   Nov 6 2011, 11:51 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 7 2011, 12...   Nov 7 2011, 12:41 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 6 2011, 07...   Nov 7 2011, 02:57 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 7 2011, 04:57 AM) Twe...   Nov 7 2011, 09:35 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 7 2011, 05...   Nov 7 2011, 04:32 PM
- - MortVent   Well I see tasers and legal weapons with no restri...   Nov 7 2011, 12:56 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (MortVent @ Nov 7 2011, 12:56 AM) W...   Nov 7 2011, 01:29 AM
||- - MortVent   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 6 2011, 08:29 PM) If ...   Nov 7 2011, 01:36 AM
||- - Daylen   QUOTE (MortVent @ Nov 7 2011, 01:36 AM) ....   Nov 7 2011, 01:41 AM
|- - Blog   QUOTE (MortVent @ Nov 6 2011, 07:56 PM) I...   Nov 7 2011, 04:41 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Blog @ Nov 7 2011, 12:41 PM) Consi...   Nov 7 2011, 04:55 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 7 2011, 04:55 PM) Som...   Nov 7 2011, 05:18 PM
- - Paul   Not tonight but this week I'll be offering a m...   Nov 7 2011, 01:18 AM
- - Daylen   In general I would expect white collar workers liv...   Nov 7 2011, 01:38 AM
|- - MortVent   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 6 2011, 08:38 PM) In ...   Nov 7 2011, 01:42 AM
- - Saint Sithney   Strangely enough it was Paul's gun-in-a-bar qu...   Nov 7 2011, 11:32 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 7 2011, 01:32 ...   Nov 7 2011, 01:09 PM
||- - Blade   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 7 2011, 02...   Nov 7 2011, 02:11 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 7 2011, 12:32 ...   Nov 7 2011, 02:07 PM
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- - Ascalaphus   On this whole "the way people feel about arme...   Nov 7 2011, 03:24 PM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   In Germany, I'm quite used to seeing uniformed...   Nov 7 2011, 04:02 PM
- - Blade   In the train stations in Paris there are military ...   Nov 7 2011, 04:12 PM
|- - Dahrken   QUOTE (Blade @ Nov 7 2011, 05:12 PM) In t...   Nov 7 2011, 06:27 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Dahrken @ Nov 7 2011, 03:27 PM) Th...   Nov 7 2011, 07:15 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Dahrken @ Nov 7 2011, 06:27 PM) Th...   Nov 7 2011, 08:11 PM
- - CanRay   No. I grew up in a lower-class neighborhood, with...   Nov 7 2011, 05:31 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 7 2011, 06:31 PM) No....   Nov 7 2011, 05:50 PM
- - CanRay   No, I'm a bloody idiot. Of course I attempted...   Nov 7 2011, 05:54 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 7 2011, 10:54 AM) No,...   Nov 7 2011, 07:38 PM
||- - Daylen   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 7 2011, 07:38 PM) No, th...   Nov 7 2011, 08:07 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 7 2011, 05:54 PM) No,...   Nov 7 2011, 08:07 PM
- - Saint Hallow   Another thing is escalation of violence. Steven B...   Nov 7 2011, 06:15 PM
- - CanRay   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 7 2011, 03:38 PM) No, th...   Nov 7 2011, 10:38 PM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 8 2011, 12:38 AM) Wou...   Nov 8 2011, 12:54 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 7 2011, 08...   Nov 8 2011, 01:15 AM
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