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I'm fairly new to Shadowrun, although we've been playing for a few weeks now, and I've been lurking around these forums and learning a lot. There are a couple of things I continue to struggle with, so I'm wondering if you guys can provide any insight.

For context, we're a mostly "mirrored shades" group currently in the middle of On The Run... getting on towards the end, and I'm not sure where I want to take things from there... either another module or letting them drive themselves a bit and trying to keep up. Open to suggestions there, as well, but here are my questions:

1) Hackers in Combat:
I've seen a few references and explanations here about how hacking cyberware is not really much of an option, unless you are up against the dumbest of gangers with no mind for security. If that's the case, what are good options that hackers have in combat?

2) Legwork:
My group didn't take much in the way of contacts, and none of them have ANY social skills. (One of them has an Intimidate of 1, actually, but that's it.) Legwork seems to boil down to the hacker making a few matrix search rolls with his 16 die or whatever while the rest of the party waits for the 5 minutes it takes him to figure out almost anything. Occasionally there will be things that wouldn't be accessible online, I guess... but even that seems like a stretch. I can find out almost anything on the net NOW, much less 60 years from now. Is there an elegant way to deal with this that isn't a copout? The "5 minutes of searching then new scene" formula seems like it will get stale fast, and doesn't let the other players do much.

3) Social Interaction:
As mentioned in #2, my party has ZERO social skills. We were expecting to have one more player that might work as something like a face, but he dropped out. This leads to RPing everything at the table with players that are much more persuasive than their characters ought to be. Our hacker took "uncouth" even, and ended up being the front man in what was supposed to be an etiquette challenge meeting the Triad. I ended up giving them a pass based on not having a good idea of how else they could move forward. I don't know if this is really a "problem" per se, but does kind of undermine the value of social skills and lets them get away with things they didn't spend any points on.

Thanks for any input you might have!
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- spookybarn   Some questions from a new GM   Dec 6 2011, 05:19 PM
- - Paul   First let me say none of the suggestions in this t...   Dec 6 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Paul   QUOTE (spookybarn @ Dec 6 2011, 12:19 PM)...   Dec 6 2011, 05:43 PM
- - spookybarn   All my players are new to the game as well, and I...   Dec 6 2011, 05:45 PM
- - Warlordtheft   In response to 1:Hackers are great for EW purposes...   Dec 6 2011, 06:30 PM
- - Halinn   A lot of information, while possibly online, is no...   Dec 6 2011, 06:35 PM
- - Bearclaw   To 1. I'm playing a hacker in my current gam...   Dec 6 2011, 07:03 PM
- - spookybarn   Thanks for all the feedback so far! The Matri...   Dec 6 2011, 07:42 PM
- - Bearclaw   They do need a face, but EVERYONE needs at least a...   Dec 6 2011, 08:04 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Bearclaw @ Dec 6 2011, 03:04 PM) T...   Dec 7 2011, 01:10 AM
- - fistandantilus4.0   On the Run has got some rough reviews because of s...   Dec 7 2011, 02:10 AM
- - spookybarn   In response to your question, we are all in our 30...   Dec 7 2011, 03:04 AM
- - kzt   Generally, hackers in combat shoot. We had a hack...   Dec 7 2011, 03:54 AM
- - Midas   Welcome! 1) Hackers in combat Hackers tend t...   Dec 7 2011, 05:45 AM
- - Error   There have already been a host of good points made...   Dec 7 2011, 09:22 PM
- - Seriously Mike   One question: what's the difference in varying...   Jan 2 2012, 02:56 PM
- - Ears   Force limts hits. If you get 10 hits on a Force 2 ...   Jan 2 2012, 04:03 PM
|- - Seriously Mike   QUOTE (Ears @ Jan 2 2012, 05:03 PM) Force...   Jan 2 2012, 07:18 PM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 2 2012, 02:18...   Jan 2 2012, 08:07 PM
|- - Seriously Mike   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 2 2012, 09:07 PM) P...   Jan 3 2012, 08:06 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 3 2012, 01:06...   Jan 3 2012, 02:34 PM
|- - Seriously Mike   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 3 2012, 03...   Jan 3 2012, 04:33 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 3 2012, 09:33...   Jan 3 2012, 06:03 PM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (spookybarn @ Dec 6 2011, 06:19 PM)...   Jan 2 2012, 04:52 PM
- - Falconer   Actually hackers can be of use in a lot of fights....   Jan 2 2012, 07:57 PM
- - Cain   1) Deckers in combat don't have to just run Ma...   Jan 3 2012, 08:23 AM
- - Seriously Mike   QUOTE (spookybarn @ Dec 6 2011, 06:19 PM)...   Jan 3 2012, 12:19 PM
- - Darquewing   I've been GM'ing SR4 for a while, but only...   Jan 3 2012, 01:45 PM
- - Falconer   Strongly disagree. The presence of initiations t...   Jan 3 2012, 02:55 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 3 2012, 09:55 AM) S...   Jan 6 2012, 04:21 PM
- - Ascalaphus   I think it's a fallacy to talk about "ave...   Jan 3 2012, 03:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 3 2012, 08:02 AM)...   Jan 3 2012, 03:35 PM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 3 2012, 04...   Jan 3 2012, 05:39 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 3 2012, 10:39 AM)...   Jan 3 2012, 06:16 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 3 2012, 07...   Jan 3 2012, 06:54 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 3 2012, 11:54 AM)...   Jan 3 2012, 08:12 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 3 2012, 10...   Jan 4 2012, 03:29 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   EDITED: Sorry Grinder... Pulled Post once I saw yo...   Jan 4 2012, 03:59 AM
|- - Grinder   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 4 2012, 04...   Jan 4 2012, 09:46 AM
- - Grinder   How I missed that. Not. TJ, Cain: stop it.   Jan 4 2012, 03:34 AM
- - Seriously Mike   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 3 2012, 07...   Jan 4 2012, 11:31 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 4 2012, 04:31...   Jan 4 2012, 03:07 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 3 2012, 07:55 AM) S...   Jan 4 2012, 10:35 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Edit: never mind.   Jan 4 2012, 04:14 PM
- - bibliophile20   However, there is something to be said for making ...   Jan 4 2012, 04:22 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   First, a quote from Street Magic... QUOTE (Street...   Jan 4 2012, 05:12 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 4 2012, 12...   Jan 6 2012, 04:30 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Jan 6 2012, 09:30 A...   Jan 6 2012, 05:30 PM
- - bibliophile20   Those modifiers are for foci enchantment. Not for...   Jan 4 2012, 09:43 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Did you even read the quote I posted? Apparently n...   Jan 4 2012, 10:24 PM
- - bibliophile20   Okay, at this point, I'm gonna just drop this,...   Jan 4 2012, 10:31 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (bibliophile20 @ Jan 4 2012, 03:31 ...   Jan 4 2012, 10:45 PM
- - Yerameyahu   How can the average mage run from 3 to 7? Pick on...   Jan 4 2012, 10:41 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 4 2012, 02:41 PM)...   Jan 5 2012, 05:43 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm referring to Falconer, actually. He said ...   Jan 5 2012, 05:53 PM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   First value: Initiations Second value: Magic Attri...   Jan 5 2012, 06:41 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes, and it's a wide range, especially in that...   Jan 5 2012, 06:55 PM
- - Bearclaw   You don't have to initiate to raise your magic...   Jan 5 2012, 06:58 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Actually for an NPC mage it might not be unreasona...   Jan 5 2012, 10:21 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 5 2012, 03:21 PM)...   Jan 5 2012, 10:26 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 5 2012, 11...   Jan 6 2012, 01:15 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 5 2012, 06:15 PM)...   Jan 6 2012, 03:34 AM
- - Midas   Regarding the question "What is the average M...   Jan 9 2012, 09:26 AM


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