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I could only find this, where the problems of creating a tanker ship is discussed. Has anyone designed military ships? Ships useful for pirates or shadowrunners with maritime interests?

I'm only now reading through the ship-specific rules in Rigger 3, but I've already run into several silly issues there-in. For example, all SR ships need an Engineering Crew of (Hull + 1)^2 men. The Sea Shadow is ancient (80 years old in SR times) and displaces 560 tons (and is thus Hull 3), so it should need an Engineering Crew of well over the minimum of 16, because clearly the automation in the 2060s is at a far more advanced level than it is now, or was 20 years ago.

The Sea Shadow has a total crew of 10. Thus I will probably take several liberties when deciding on crew sizes for ships I design.

That said, are there significant issues with designing ship communication and control networks, weapons networks and rigger circuits? Yes, I'll read through those sections myself, preferably several times with thought, but it would be hear about possible problem areas.

I'll try to use the canon ships described in R3 when determining several things about my designs -- are there any problems with the canon ships that I might not easily spot? Glancing at them, they seem really light on C&C gear, Remote Control Networks etc. that I would think are extremely important aspects of naval combat in the 2060s.

Finally, how do you personally view naval combat in Shadowrun? I'm certainly no expert in that area, but it seems that the current trend is towards smaller, faster, more stealthy and cheaper ships, with a few large carrier fleets doing backup. Maybe the largest ships in most fleets would be about the size of small destroyers today, with full displacements well under 10,000 tons (about the size of an Arleigh-Burke)?

Would fast & stealthy missile frigates serve as the backbones of navies in the 2060s? Or would the advances in technology make even smaller ships prevalent, leading to navies arming themselves mostly with ships like the Streetfighter Littoral Combat Ship? Do you think carrier groups would still depend on supercarriers, or would the majority of carriers be smaller and carry mostly VSTOL aircraft?

Looking at the US Navy's plans for the CVN-21, it seems supercarriers will be around for at least the next 50-60 years. Large navies, such as the Japanese Imperial, Aztlan and perhaps some Norther American ones, would probably still have these in SR times. Most of the navies of current world powers might make do with smaller carriers, perhaps reminicent of the Corsair. Somehow I'd like to think Destroyer-sized ships would still be around in plenty, but maybe that's just wishful thinking -- I have no idea how naval combat in 2060s would actually work.

How dependent on air power would navy fleets be? Would all ships of necessary size utilize a large number of strike VSTOLs and UAV scouts, or would strike aircraft be kept out of the airspace because of advances in sensor and missile technology? Large ship groups, carrier groups mostly, would probably make use of extensive command networks, but perhaps smaller units (most groups with most ships under 1,000 tons) would keep networking to a minimum for fears of enemy Electronic Warfare?
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- Austere Emancipator   Ship Design with Rigger 3   Apr 15 2004, 12:22 AM
- - blakkie   Well you could count each Autopilot system as a cr...   Apr 15 2004, 12:25 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   You mean the AutoNav system, with 1 rating = 1 cre...   Apr 15 2004, 12:37 AM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)I'm only now readin...   Apr 15 2004, 12:49 AM
- - Nikoli   Imagine the carrier that relies on uav attack craf...   Apr 15 2004, 01:04 AM
- - Backgammon   Corps use military assets to perform quick strikes...   Apr 15 2004, 01:18 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Cray74)The Sea Shadow is a short-haul proof...   Apr 15 2004, 09:22 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Nikoli)you can store probably 20 or more UA...   Apr 15 2004, 09:46 AM
- - Arethusa   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Apr 15 2004, 05:...   Apr 15 2004, 10:28 AM
- - Crusher Bob   There is a sustainability and on station time that...   Apr 15 2004, 10:48 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   I thought myself about the scenario of a larger fl...   Apr 15 2004, 11:28 AM
- - Arethusa   Phalanxes have already gotten replaced by missiles...   Apr 15 2004, 11:35 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Arethusa)Phalanxes have already gotten repl...   Apr 15 2004, 12:32 PM
- - grendel   This will be the fourth or fifth discussion of thi...   Apr 15 2004, 04:49 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Thanks for the links. I tried the Old Forums, but ...   Apr 15 2004, 05:25 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I'm now designing my first ship, the SKS Habic...   Apr 16 2004, 11:27 AM
- - Nath   UCAS has Powell-class heavy carriers in the 75-100...   Apr 16 2004, 01:34 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I used B^2 + 4 throughout the design progress, but...   Apr 16 2004, 01:54 PM
- - Fahr   I think that while the focus on surface ships is a...   Apr 16 2004, 05:07 PM
- - Kagetenshi   The whole no-cover-on-the-open-seas thing, combine...   Apr 16 2004, 06:03 PM
- - Fahr   how about group ritual vehicle mask, or blood magi...   Apr 16 2004, 06:05 PM
- - Moonstone Spider   Hmm, here's an odd question. If ship combat i...   Apr 16 2004, 06:56 PM
- - Kagetenshi   ANDREWs systems are intended to attack incoming mi...   Apr 16 2004, 07:01 PM
- - Nikoli   As for on station length, the navies of SR have a ...   Apr 16 2004, 07:17 PM
- - Backgammon   I think it would be very unlikely to tie up 10 mag...   Apr 16 2004, 08:46 PM
- - John Campbell   Bah. Keebler propaganda. They're no more magic...   Apr 16 2004, 09:59 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Keebleros, destroyer of worlds, will make you pay ...   Apr 16 2004, 10:20 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Sub vs Surface Ship: As far as SR is concerned, th...   Apr 17 2004, 01:56 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away... ...   Apr 17 2004, 06:31 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I think I could probably have rolled additional Co...   Apr 17 2004, 10:34 PM
- - Kanada Ten   Why is the Habicht casing the Stuart? Seems like t...   Apr 17 2004, 10:56 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   The main reason is that I don't know anything ...   Apr 17 2004, 11:15 PM
- - hobgoblin   or infact "scare" someone into useing th...   Apr 18 2004, 12:52 AM
- - Shockwave_IIc   I'm gonna say WOW!! for two reasons, ...   Apr 18 2004, 02:22 AM
- - Crusher Bob   For a pretty good (and fun) intro to modern naval ...   Apr 18 2004, 04:23 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   I cannot post anything longer than ~500 letters. I...   Apr 18 2004, 06:29 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Crusher Bob)For a pretty good (and fun) int...   Apr 19 2004, 04:21 AM
- - Crusher Bob   In general the layer will be in the 150-400 feet (...   Apr 19 2004, 05:05 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Crusher Bob)In general the layer will be in...   Apr 19 2004, 05:12 AM


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