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IridiosDZ
post Jul 21 2012, 02:53 AM
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Have a new player making a character and want to make sure I get a couple of rules correct.

First, it makes sense that getting cybereyes removes any natural vision mods (lowlight and thermographic), but I cannot find or remember any written reference to that.

Secondly. Linguasofts can only be accessed with DNI (such as sim module or datajack). If the l-softs are stored on storage media and connected through a datajack, will that be enough? Or do they require a commlink and have the softs count against the processor limit? Which is my preferred option.
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- IridiosDZ   Cybereyes and Linguasofts   Jul 21 2012, 02:53 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's so obvious that there might not be a ru...   Jul 21 2012, 03:17 AM
- - Wakshaani   QUOTE (IridiosDZ @ Jul 20 2012, 09:53 PM)...   Jul 21 2012, 03:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's a little unclear. It either says it requi...   Jul 21 2012, 03:48 PM
- - Krishach   1) I KNOW I've read this somewhere, and it was...   Jul 22 2012, 04:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It might be an interesting house rule to treat lin...   Jul 22 2012, 04:19 PM
- - Falconer   No you actually have to slot, load, and RUN the li...   Jul 22 2012, 04:43 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't see where the rules say you run a ling...   Jul 22 2012, 04:49 PM
- - Falconer   No, it's not a house rule Yera. You're th...   Jul 22 2012, 04:56 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Softs are explicitly not Matrix Programs. You...   Jul 22 2012, 05:01 PM
- - Falconer   Because the character wants to simply say... this ...   Jul 22 2012, 05:19 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   A Datajack is a Device. Therefore it has an unspec...   Jul 22 2012, 05:21 PM
- - Falconer   TJ: I agree... mostly you're only not catchin...   Jul 22 2012, 05:30 PM
- - bannockburn   I think you misunderstood, Falconer. The OP asks t...   Jul 22 2012, 05:33 PM
- - Falconer   Duh... mea magna culpa... Yes I went about it th...   Jul 22 2012, 05:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Falconer, I can never be sure if you're being ...   Jul 22 2012, 05:42 PM
- - Falconer   Yera: Read the rules for peripheral nodes in unwir...   Jul 22 2012, 05:56 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm not arguing any of that, because it's ...   Jul 22 2012, 06:00 PM
- - Falconer   It wouldn't need to. You need either a dataj...   Jul 22 2012, 06:08 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I never once said that they weren't software, ...   Jul 22 2012, 06:11 PM
- - Falconer   Easy device response upgrade... same as anything e...   Jul 22 2012, 06:25 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually, this part has always confused me: is the...   Jul 22 2012, 07:03 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 22 2012, 03:03 PM...   Jul 22 2012, 07:31 PM
- - _Pax._   QUOTE (IridiosDZ @ Jul 20 2012, 10:53 PM)...   Jul 22 2012, 07:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't think anyone's having trouble with...   Jul 22 2012, 07:32 PM
- - _Pax._   Somewhat related, a reasonable houserule would be ...   Jul 22 2012, 07:35 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I wonder. Or is the tech version just a totally di...   Jul 22 2012, 07:38 PM
- - Inu   As far as DNI goes, I thought simsense module was ...   Jul 22 2012, 09:09 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Trodes *is* DNI (as is a datajack or an implant co...   Jul 22 2012, 09:21 PM
- - _Pax._   No, it's not already built-in; that's why ...   Jul 22 2012, 10:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I said *should* have it built in. Your examples a...   Jul 22 2012, 10:36 PM
- - Falconer   Yes, but you don't need a sim-module with a co...   Jul 22 2012, 11:28 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 22 2012, 06:28 PM) ...   Jul 23 2012, 12:57 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm saying you do need it, because simsense is...   Jul 22 2012, 11:36 PM
- - Falconer   Pax: Page 328... text trumps tables. Sim Module i...   Jul 23 2012, 01:25 AM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 22 2012, 09:25 PM) ...   Jul 23 2012, 01:57 AM
- - Falconer   Because you're making up a requirement which i...   Jul 23 2012, 02:36 AM
- - Yerameyahu   But they totally should be built into commlinks, b...   Jul 23 2012, 02:43 AM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 22 2012, 10:36 PM) ...   Jul 23 2012, 06:10 AM
- - Falconer   It makes sense to me Yera... In the past simdecks...   Jul 23 2012, 03:18 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 22 2012, 08:18 PM) ...   Jul 23 2012, 01:18 PM
|- - Falconer   NiL_FisK_Urd: Now calculate the essence cost. I ...   Jul 23 2012, 10:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 23 2012, 03:17 PM) ...   Jul 23 2012, 10:32 PM
|- - NiL_FisK_Urd   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 23 2012, 11:17 PM) ...   Jul 24 2012, 08:33 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't know how big a sim module is. I don...   Jul 23 2012, 03:26 AM
|- - _Pax._   (double post)   Jul 23 2012, 06:12 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Pax, Falconer is saying the rules say they *cannot...   Jul 23 2012, 02:05 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 23 2012, 10:05 AM...   Jul 23 2012, 02:43 PM
- - forgarn   I am just throwing this out there: QUOTE (SR4a, p...   Jul 23 2012, 04:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Except apparently a linguasoft can be used directl...   Jul 23 2012, 04:12 PM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   QUOTE ("AUGMENTATION @ p.48")Shiaw...   Jul 23 2012, 06:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   So… all simsense is equally good. I don't unde...   Jul 23 2012, 10:42 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 23 2012, 03:42 PM...   Jul 23 2012, 11:03 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 23 2012, 03:42 PM...   Jul 23 2012, 11:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Could be, Udoshi. Nothing about 'home theater...   Jul 23 2012, 11:29 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 23 2012, 04:29 PM...   Jul 24 2012, 01:27 PM
- - Falconer   Yeah, it just comes down to fluff. You can buy bi...   Jul 24 2012, 12:07 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah. SR4 just threw all that complexity away: sim...   Jul 24 2012, 12:26 AM
- - Krishach   just to try to reconnect to the original topic, th...   Jul 24 2012, 12:33 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's a pretty fluffy line. The book also say...   Jul 24 2012, 12:37 AM
|- - Krishach   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 24 2012, 12:37 AM...   Jul 24 2012, 01:53 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't care about implicit. You're eithe...   Jul 24 2012, 02:08 AM
- - Krishach   Actually, the rules are for "programs." ...   Jul 24 2012, 02:13 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I didn't say they weren't programs. I said...   Jul 24 2012, 02:24 AM
|- - Krishach   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 24 2012, 02:24 AM...   Jul 24 2012, 02:30 AM
- - Yerameyahu   First, please read the very first sentence in that...   Jul 24 2012, 02:36 AM
|- - Krishach   QUOTE ("the MATRIX" SR4a pg 18)The Matri...   Jul 24 2012, 02:52 AM
- - DMiller   QUOTE SR4 p320 Knowsoft: Knowsofts replicate Knowl...   Jul 24 2012, 02:56 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Krishach, that's just silly. We've already...   Jul 24 2012, 03:01 AM
- - Krishach   QUOTE (Yerameyahu)You're the one who made the ...   Jul 24 2012, 03:14 AM
- - Krishach   also, just as a thought, if lingusofts, tutorsofts...   Jul 24 2012, 03:22 AM
- - Falconer   In which case, Sensor Software (p60 Arsenal), Tacn...   Jul 24 2012, 04:04 AM
- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE This is what I am arguing: the PROGRAMS head...   Jul 24 2012, 10:52 AM
- - Falconer   Yera... that's because skillsofts aren't r...   Jul 24 2012, 08:53 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Wait, so now the 'PROGRAMS' section is onl...   Jul 24 2012, 11:37 PM
- - Falconer   Actually no a datajack doesn't include a full ...   Jul 25 2012, 12:18 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't think that's the fluff, but it...   Jul 25 2012, 12:29 AM


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