 Direct and Indirect spells question |
 Jul 26 2012, 03:12 AM
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So have been running a game using the optional rule for direct damage spells for over a year now and have to say it still feels broken. My thought is to kinda reverse the drain codes on direct and indirect by subtracting three from the drain code of all indirect damage spells and adding three to all direct damage codes. I know it opens the way for some really nasty indirect damage but npc's and other players can roll to dodge it and then soak where as the direct dge spell allows only one roll. The rules as they are written for direct damage don't match with anything else in the game as far as I can find which just annoys the hell out of me for some reason. Anyway has anyone tried a reversing of the drain code along the lines I am thinking of?
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Stormdrake Direct and Indirect spells question Jul 26 2012, 03:12 AM
Glyph Neraph has a similar house rule - his is +4 for di... Jul 26 2012, 03:40 AM Udoshi Basically the problem stems from the fast the Dire... Jul 26 2012, 03:58 AM Stormdrake Ok I think I will start off with something similie... Jul 26 2012, 04:33 PM All4BigGuns Honestly, there's not a darn thing wrong with ... Jul 26 2012, 04:35 PM Speed Wraith Direct spells are cheaper, but they're not nec... Jul 26 2012, 04:44 PM Yerameyahu Yes, they're just mostly better. Unless the p... Jul 26 2012, 04:51 PM Speed Wraith Meh. I don't know that they're mostly bet... Jul 26 2012, 05:21 PM
All4BigGuns QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Jul 26 2012, 12:21 ... Jul 26 2012, 05:26 PM UmaroVI They really are mostly better. Stunball/Bolt are b... Jul 26 2012, 05:26 PM Yerameyahu Yes, SpeedWraith, because they're over/multica... Jul 26 2012, 05:28 PM Speed Wraith You guys must be fighting some really terrible opp... Jul 26 2012, 06:19 PM Udoshi QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Jul 26 2012, 11:19 ... Jul 26 2012, 06:44 PM Falconer QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jul 26 2012, 01:44 PM) It... Jul 27 2012, 07:08 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 12:08 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 07:48 PM Udoshi QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 12:08 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 08:18 PM Halinn QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 09:08 PM) ... Jul 28 2012, 02:25 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Halinn @ Jul 27 2012, 08:25 PM) Tr... Jul 28 2012, 02:44 AM Yerameyahu It's true, Speed Wraith, that there could be *... Jul 26 2012, 06:59 PM Speed Wraith Concealment may have been a less than optimal choi... Jul 26 2012, 07:12 PM Yerameyahu Again, it's not 'indirects can never be be... Jul 26 2012, 07:15 PM Krishach Damage boosts, though, should start to make drain ... Jul 26 2012, 07:35 PM Yerameyahu That's why I said over/multicast, which I unde... Jul 26 2012, 07:57 PM Stormdrake Where is the optional rule from Catalyst for direc... Jul 26 2012, 08:38 PM Krishach it's in the update FAQ on http://www.shadowrun... Jul 26 2012, 10:39 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 26 2012, 04:39 PM) ... Jul 26 2012, 10:50 PM Krishach QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 26 2012, 10... Jul 27 2012, 12:13 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 26 2012, 05:13 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 12:31 AM Krishach QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 27 2012, 01... Jul 27 2012, 12:52 AM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 26 2012, 07:52 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 04:47 AM Amazeroth QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 27 2012, 02:52 AM) ... Jul 27 2012, 09:21 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 26 2012, 06:52 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 01:18 PM Yerameyahu Except you can't just discard over- and multi-... Jul 26 2012, 10:52 PM UmaroVI Even if you do use the optional rule: compare Forc... Jul 26 2012, 10:55 PM Halinn In fact, because overcasting is so easy, I'd s... Jul 26 2012, 11:59 PM Yerameyahu It does, you just have to install a smartgun syste... Jul 27 2012, 12:46 AM Udoshi QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 26 2012, 03:39 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 07:44 AM phlapjack77 QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jul 27 2012, 12... Jul 27 2012, 05:50 AM Krishach Nope, that's the one. It says flat out that it... Jul 27 2012, 10:15 AM Udoshi I'm absolutely loving that you're using a ... Jul 27 2012, 10:19 AM Krishach My point was more that a Force 12 Flamethrower has... Jul 27 2012, 10:26 AM Krishach For reference, using the rule, here is the drain v... Jul 27 2012, 11:16 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 27 2012, 05:16 AM) ... Jul 27 2012, 01:26 PM Krishach QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 27 2012, 01... Jul 27 2012, 11:00 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 27 2012, 04:00 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 11:31 PM Yerameyahu I'm still recovering from the idea that WAR se... Jul 27 2012, 12:11 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 27 2012, 06:11 AM... Jul 27 2012, 01:29 PM UmaroVI Krishach, several people have already told you why... Jul 27 2012, 04:02 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jul 27 2012, 09:02 AM) K... Jul 27 2012, 04:27 PM Stormdrake My take on this above was that the optional rule w... Jul 27 2012, 05:33 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Stormdrake @ Jul 27 2012, 10:33 AM... Jul 27 2012, 05:38 PM Falconer QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 27 2012, 01... Jul 27 2012, 06:28 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 11:28 AM) ... Jul 27 2012, 07:43 PM Halinn If they'd been smart about it, the optional ru... Jul 27 2012, 05:53 PM Yerameyahu I've never heard any of the many people saying... Jul 27 2012, 06:30 PM Falconer QUOTE (Stormdrake @ Jul 25 2012, 11:12 PM... Jul 27 2012, 06:34 PM Yerameyahu Spare us the ton-of-math-blowing-through, actually... Jul 27 2012, 06:49 PM UmaroVI It's a threshold; that means net hits are hits... Jul 27 2012, 08:23 PM Falconer TJ: Mea Culpa... Udoshi referenced your optional ... Jul 27 2012, 08:24 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 02:24 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 08:55 PM Falconer Udoshi... read what a threshold test is sometime. ... Jul 27 2012, 09:12 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 02:12 PM) ... Jul 27 2012, 09:35 PM Yerameyahu Well, you're not supposed to let any PC 4:1 *a... Jul 27 2012, 09:24 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 27 2012, 02:24 PM... Jul 27 2012, 09:35 PM Falconer Yera, yet I regularly see people who won't all... Jul 27 2012, 09:35 PM Yerameyahu Those are bad people, Falconer, and they should fe... Jul 27 2012, 09:52 PM Falconer No the math is not entirely correct. You make sev... Jul 27 2012, 11:35 PM Neraph QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 27 2012, 05:35 PM) ... Jul 28 2012, 06:23 PM Krishach Not entirely assumed. I did not go further into it... Jul 27 2012, 11:48 PM Falconer Halinn:
Trauma dampers and platelets are a grey ar... Jul 28 2012, 07:00 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 28 2012, 12:00 AM) ... Jul 28 2012, 02:25 PM Yerameyahu It's a grey area if you squint so hard you can... Jul 28 2012, 02:24 PM Falconer Yera & TJ:
Because I've also played and se... Jul 28 2012, 04:39 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 28 2012, 10:39 AM) ... Jul 28 2012, 05:29 PM Yerameyahu I guess I still don't get it, Falconer. Checki... Jul 28 2012, 08:12 PM Falconer Neraph... it's not slander if I'm calling ... Jul 28 2012, 08:24 PM UmaroVI QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 28 2012, 03:24 PM) ... Jul 28 2012, 09:34 PM Krishach keep in mind, please, that unless the math itself ... Jul 28 2012, 08:49 PM Yerameyahu And gross. Anyway, the *intention* is to gimp dire... Jul 28 2012, 09:38 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 28 2012, 03:38 PM... Jul 29 2012, 02:31 AM Krishach It always said to me that indirect need to be stac... Jul 29 2012, 06:33 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 28 2012, 11:33 PM) ... Jul 29 2012, 02:22 PM All4BigGuns QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 29 2012, 09... Jul 29 2012, 05:53 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Jul 29 2012, 10:53 A... Jul 29 2012, 05:58 PM All4BigGuns As has been stated multiple times in multiple thre... Jul 29 2012, 06:12 AM Krishach I thought that was the point of the thread. The fa... Jul 29 2012, 10:05 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 29 2012, 04:05 PM) ... Jul 30 2012, 01:30 PM Glyph Under the current rules, indirect spells are a nic... Jul 30 2012, 02:23 AM Neraph QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 28 2012, 03:24 PM) ... Jul 30 2012, 03:42 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 30 2012, 09:42 AM) Th... Jul 30 2012, 04:19 PM Yerameyahu 'Is' is not the same as 'should', ... Jul 30 2012, 04:36 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 30 2012, 09:36 AM... Jul 30 2012, 04:38 PM All4BigGuns QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 30 2012, 10:36 AM... Jul 30 2012, 04:42 PM Stormdrake Hey original poster here,
I like and play mages wh... Jul 30 2012, 05:49 PM Glyph The flashy spells have always had a higher Drain c... Jul 31 2012, 03:01 AM Neraph QUOTE (Glyph @ Jul 30 2012, 09:01 PM) But... Jul 31 2012, 04:17 AM All4BigGuns QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 30 2012, 11:17 PM) I ... Jul 31 2012, 04:22 AM Neraph So you don't see a problem with mages being ab... Jul 31 2012, 04:36 AM Midas The problem with overcasting in a game where the o... Jul 31 2012, 06:45 AM NiL_FisK_Urd QUOTE (Midas @ Jul 31 2012, 07:45 AM) he ... Jul 31 2012, 08:31 AM  |
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