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post Sep 18 2012, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (Street Magic @ p. 178)
This power allows an adept to inflict a paralyzing attack, temporarily crippling an opponent, by targeting vital nerve clusters. The adept declares he is using the power and makes a normal unarmed melee attack. Instead of inflicting damage, each net hit reduces his opponent's Agility or Reaction (attacker's choice) by 1. Etc.

So the typical way this is read, and the way it's been read forever as far as I can tell, is that "Instead of inflicting damage" is assumed to be referring back to the use of the power, or the normal unarmed melee attack in the previous sentence. But linguistically speaking, it could also be referring to, and modifying, "each net hit".

In other words, it could be read "Each net hit, instead of inflicting damage, reduces his opponent's Agility or Reaction (attacker's choice) by 1." This makes sense, as net hits on a normal unarmed melee attack normally inflict damage. The implication or the new reading would be that instead of increasing the base damage value of the attack, each net hit instead reduces the opponent's Agility or Reaction.

This new reading changes Nerve Strike from an overpriced, never used, fluff-centric novelty into a legitimate and viable side-grade for unarmed adepts. Being able to inflict the intended paralysis effect, while still being able to deliver one's unmodified base unarmed combat damage, is an interestingm and in my opinion quite balanced, tactical option to possess.

Nowhere in the wording of the power does it ever state that the attack itself deals no damage. This is in direct contrast to numerous other similar rulings, such as Subduing attacks ("This subduing attack causes no damage to the defender"), the operation of the Ares S-III Super Squirt ("The attack itself causes no damage, but..."), the Disarm martial arts maneuver ("This maneuver does no damage to the opponent"), the Herding martial arts maneuver ("On a successful attack, the character deals no damage to her opponent, but..."), et cetera.

Furthermore, comparison to prior edition rules and their wordings shows that Nerve Strike has long been ambiguously worded and structured. In 3E, "Rather than inflicting damage, every 2 net successes reduce the target’s Quickness by 1." And the same structure again in 2E, "Instead of inflicting damage, however, every two net successes on the adept's Unarmed Combat Test reduce the target's Quickness rating by one."

Please spare any "that's absurd, you're just munchkinning / power-gaming / rules lawyering, etc" comments. Looking for legitimate critique on this, particularly looking for people who might have solid insights into the original intention of the author of this power, links to pertinent threads I've been unable to find via searching the forums, links to FAQs or dev commentaries or Q&A sessions, that sort of thing.

Personally I'd like to see if this pans out. Nerve Strike is a cool concept that unfortunately isn't worth using based on its current interpretation, and hasn't been for a long time. I think the implications of the new reading make it much more attractive, while still being reasonable and requiring an appropriate trade off.

~Umi
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- Umidori   Nerve Strike Wording Query   Sep 18 2012, 04:34 PM
- - VykosDarkSoul   I would have to agree that ambiguity exists in spa...   Sep 18 2012, 04:45 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   While your take on it is interesting, I am not rea...   Sep 18 2012, 04:55 PM
- - Dreadlord   Hm, interesting idea. What are the consequences o...   Sep 18 2012, 04:55 PM
- - Whitefur   We have always in 4:th used it like its written. N...   Sep 18 2012, 05:01 PM
- - bannockburn   The reading is certainly not completely clear, as ...   Sep 18 2012, 05:26 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Sep 18 2012, 10:26 A...   Sep 18 2012, 05:35 PM
- - UmaroVI   I think it's ambiguous enough that you could r...   Sep 18 2012, 08:15 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Sep 18 2012, 01:15 PM) I...   Sep 18 2012, 08:21 PM
- - Umidori   And in which circumstances might that be of substa...   Sep 18 2012, 09:45 PM
- - Makki   it's the Vulcan Nerve Pinch! Do we need an...   Sep 19 2012, 06:17 AM
- - Xenefungus   I don't think Nerve Strike is underpowered at ...   Sep 19 2012, 11:06 AM
- - Aerospider   I don't see the wording as ambiguous in this i...   Sep 19 2012, 02:40 PM
- - The Jopp   Do Nerve Strike count as a full melee attack or is...   Sep 20 2012, 09:04 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 20 2012, 03:04 AM) ...   Sep 20 2012, 02:31 PM
- - The Jopp   Hmmm... Nerve Strike SHOULD be able to be used wi...   Sep 20 2012, 02:52 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 20 2012, 08:52 AM) ...   Sep 20 2012, 02:56 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 20 2012, 02...   Sep 20 2012, 08:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 20 2012, 02:14 PM) ...   Sep 20 2012, 08:16 PM
- - Jaid   i'm confused why a lack of synergy with other ...   Sep 20 2012, 09:38 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 20 2012, 03:38 PM) i...   Sep 20 2012, 10:02 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 20 2012, 03:38 PM) i...   Sep 21 2012, 06:18 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 21 2012, 06:18 AM) M...   Sep 21 2012, 06:56 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 20 2012, 11:56 PM) ...   Sep 21 2012, 12:40 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 21 2012, 12:40 PM) E...   Sep 21 2012, 01:18 PM
- - Jaid   with agility + escape artist, strength is not the ...   Sep 21 2012, 07:52 AM
- - The Jopp   It is an ability that can 'potentially' pa...   Sep 21 2012, 08:10 AM
- - Jaid   banking on a cyberzombie that doesn't have ver...   Sep 21 2012, 08:36 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 21 2012, 08:36 AM) bank...   Sep 21 2012, 08:55 AM
- - UmaroVI   When I make an unarmed combat adept, I always like...   Sep 21 2012, 12:44 PM
- - Umidori   Not sure whether serious or sarcastic... ~Umi   Sep 21 2012, 01:05 PM
- - Umidori   I agree. Flair, coolness, and just plain personal ...   Sep 21 2012, 01:56 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 21 2012, 01:56 PM) I...   Sep 21 2012, 02:16 PM
- - UmaroVI   Distance Strike is really a lot more defensible, b...   Sep 21 2012, 04:58 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Sep 21 2012, 05:58 PM) D...   Sep 21 2012, 05:56 PM
- - UmaroVI   Actually, you can: you can make ranged attacks fro...   Sep 21 2012, 06:12 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Sep 21 2012, 07:12 PM) A...   Sep 26 2012, 07:15 AM
- - Cabral   Isn't there a martial arts style that reduces ...   Sep 26 2012, 01:07 AM
- - Dolanar   There are actually 2 maybe 3: Krav Maga allows it ...   Sep 26 2012, 06:25 AM
- - Krishach   just my 2 cents: we have a player who uses nerve s...   Sep 26 2012, 07:04 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Krishach @ Sep 26 2012, 08:04 AM) ...   Sep 26 2012, 07:20 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Krishach @ Sep 26 2012, 02:04 AM) ...   Sep 26 2012, 10:22 PM
- - Umidori   I'd be interested in seeing how a generic mage...   Sep 26 2012, 01:50 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 26 2012, 01:50 PM) I...   Sep 26 2012, 01:55 PM
- - Umidori   That's like asking if you can deal Unarmed dam...   Sep 26 2012, 01:59 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 26 2012, 02:59 PM) T...   Sep 26 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 26 2012, 07:12 AM) ...   Sep 26 2012, 02:35 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 26 2012, 02...   Sep 26 2012, 02:49 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 26 2012, 10:49 AM) ...   Sep 26 2012, 02:51 PM
- - Xenefungus   I have the feeling that the point some people are ...   Sep 27 2012, 11:11 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Xenefungus @ Sep 27 2012, 11:11 PM...   Sep 28 2012, 06:53 AM
|- - Cabral   QUOTE (Xenefungus @ Sep 27 2012, 06:11 PM...   Sep 28 2012, 11:23 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Cabral @ Sep 28 2012, 04:23 AM) We...   Sep 28 2012, 01:58 PM
- - Krishach   An ironic analogy, considering that the person res...   Sep 28 2012, 07:42 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Krishach @ Sep 28 2012, 07:42 AM) ...   Sep 28 2012, 08:49 AM
- - Cabral   I was thinking parries. That's still weapon sk...   Sep 28 2012, 04:45 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Cabral @ Sep 28 2012, 09:45 AM) I ...   Sep 28 2012, 04:47 PM
- - Xenefungus   What Tymeaus said. That is why it is so nice to go...   Sep 28 2012, 11:49 PM
- - Cabral   Hmm. Interestingly, I suppose you could use the su...   Sep 29 2012, 03:57 AM
- - Umidori   Finishing Move uses up your next available action,...   Sep 29 2012, 05:04 AM
|- - Cabral   QUOTE (Umidori @ Sep 29 2012, 12:04 AM) P...   Sep 29 2012, 06:03 AM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   Since nowhere it is stated that maneuvers are mutu...   Sep 29 2012, 09:26 AM


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