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post Feb 1 2013, 05:29 PM
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Okay, so Changelings have access to certain Metagenetic Qualities that impose the "Freaks" penalty, a -3 dice pool modifier on most Social Skill Tests not performed over the Matrix, but a +2 dice pool modifier to Intimidation Tests.

The idea is that certain bizarre physical features are just so outlandish as to weird out ordinary people. Which makes sense! It's fine as a concept. But where it gets weird is in the execution. Let's look at the various qualities that inflict the Freaks modifier and compare their costs and benefits.

Positive Metagenetic Freaks Qualities

360-Degree Eyesight - For 10 BP you get the biological equivalent of the Eyeband cyberware implant, except you can't turn it off. You can see in a full 360 degrees, but this provides zero benefit in terms of game mechanics, as well as an additional -1 to any actions taken while in motion. Oh, and unlike the cyberware, you suffer the negative social modifiers of being a freak.

~Why is this is Positive quality?~

Beak - For 5 BP you get a Lifestyle cost reduction of 10% and a +1 to resist ingested toxins, but you can't chew your food and have to swallow it whole. For 10 BP, you get a Raptor Beak and can also inflict Physical damage instead of Stun via the Unarmed Skill. But of course, you're a freak.

~This one is a little better, but isn't great. I could see someone possibly taking this if they really wanted toxin immunity, cheaper lifestyle costs, and the Intimidation bonus from being a Freak, but the Raptor Beak's pitiful contribution does NOT merit an additonal 5 BP of cost - it should just be part of the basic variety at the basic cost.~

Larger Tusks - For 10 BP you get the Raptor Beak's ability to deal Physical damage instead of Stun via the Unarmed Skill, plus a bonus +1 DV, but without the Lifestyle cost reduction or the ingested toxin resistance. And you're a freak.

~And now we're back into WTF territory. The cost is absurd for the pitiful benefit it provides.~

Proboscis - For 10 BP, you can pick up and use objects with your elephant trunk. You can even perform fine manipulations like pulling a trigger, albeit at a -2 modifier. You can also use it to make a "blunt punch" as an Exotic Melee Weapon. Except... apparantly you can't? It informs use mere sentences later that "Trunks do not provide an extra attack." Uh. Okay?

~So yeah, if the whole matter of how the heck you're supposed to use this in combat was cleared up, I could see this being worth 10 BP to the right character or in the right circumstance. But the real problem I have with it is that all of the lore and fluff regarding Changelings purposefully and specifically states that the so called "Ganesha" changelings who resemble the Indian elephant god are actually not mistreated, in part because of the religious reverence they attract in their native India, but also because "The few ganeshas and cat people got the luck of the draw - they’re cutsey and can play off people’s preconceptions." Yet to actually build a Ganesha you need to possess not one, but TWO different Freaks qualities! Thankfully the modifiers don't stack, but still...~

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Negative Metagenetic Freaks Qualities

Cephalapoidal Skull - For -10 BP, you're a Davy Jones / Cthulu tentacle thing. You suffer -3 dice to resist damage to the head and upper torso, and you suffer the Freaks modifier.

~This one is actually pretty balanced. If you're into tentacles, anyway.~

Deformity - At the -5 BP value, you get a severe facial deformity, while a -25 BP value gives you severe physical deformity. Each of these can inflict their own negative modifiers, "Depending upon whether the deformation affects sensory or motor functions", whatever that means. For the facial deformity, a flat -2 to Perception, because apparantly having a messed up face not only impacts vision, but also hearing, taste, touch, and smell somehow. For the physical deformity, you suffer a -1 to Physical Active Tests. In either case, you suffer the Freaks modifier but at double value.

~This is another absurd one. The wishy-washiness about whether a deformity affects sensory or motor functions or not is just sloppy. Is it saying that you have to hash it out with your GM as to whether you suffer the penalties or not? Because that's just a headache waiting to happen. Either have deformities impose penalties, or have them not, none of this sitting on the fence crap.

Putting that aside, the facial deformity is grossly underpriced. A blanket -2 to perception coupled with a -6 to social tests for a measly 5 BP and +4 to Intimidation is just baffling, especially compared to the numerous -5 BP negative metagenetic qualities that impose almost NO mechanical modifiers, (Extravagent Eyes, Feathers, Scales, Striking Skin Pigmentation, Unusual Hair, Vestigial Tail), or which impose MUCH LESS severe penalties (Bioluminescence, Critter Spook, Mood Hair, Stubby Arms). Double or triple the value to -10 or -15 BP, and make the Freaks modifier only apply once (in all other cases it never stacks), and this MIGHT be worth considering.~


Insectoid Features - For -5 BP, you're a bug thing. You inflict a Critter Spook effect on people, and are a freak.

~Here's another decently priced one. The only concern I have with it is that it suggests that you may be mistaken for a Bug Spirit Flesh Form, so you need to be sure your GM isn't a dick who is going to screw you over just because of that.~

Neoteny - For -10 BP, you have the body of a child, reducing your physical Condition Monitor by 2 points and making people think you're a child. It says that you "may" suffer the Freaks modifier, presumably meaning it's up to the GM.

~Mixed thoughts on this one. A reduced physical condition track is harsh, but probably worth the 10 BP. It's the social modifiers I have problems with. Neoteny technically imposes the Freaks negative social modifier, but that would only ever make sense in cases where it was known that you weren't actually a child, and even then that's a bit of a stretch. In real life, Neotenous people do run into the problem of being treated like children, but the negative effects this produces are hardly comparable to something like having a gorram elephant trunk instead of a nose.~

Third Eye - For -5 BP, you have a third eye. It acts exactly like your other eyes, and as long as any 2 of your 3 eyes are open, you still have depth perception. It also inflicts the Freaks modifier, but only if someone notices it, which takes a Perception Test [2].

~This one is fine. Cheap price, minor effect. Wear a hat or headband to cover it up most of the time, but suffer a detriment if you end up revealing it for some reason.~

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Annnnd that's it! Weirdly.

It's kind of nonsensical which qualities impose the Freaks modifier and which do not, though.

I mean, with Feathers you can be covered in fluffy duckling down from head to toe and no one will bat an eye? Speaking of eyes, no one thinks it's weird to be a Cyclops with "a single huge eye directly above the nose"? You can be a furry monkey-man with Unusual Hair, Monkey Paws, and a Prehensile Tail and your Social skill tests are completely unaffected? You can have Striking Skin Pigmentation, Stubby Arms, and Thorns all at once and that's just dandy? A dude can walk into a bar with Clawed hands, Rhino Hide, Bone Spikes, Goring Horns, Gills, Shiva Arms, Satyr Legs, a nictitating membrane for Underwater Vision, and Webbed Hands and Feet, and he'll have an easier time making Social Tests than some putz with a third eye on his forehead?

Seriously?

~Umi
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- Umidori   Freaks!   Feb 1 2013, 05:29 PM
- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 1 2013, 01:29 PM) Pr...   Feb 1 2013, 05:47 PM
- - Umidori   Why the hell not? If you can attack with both a C...   Feb 1 2013, 05:54 PM
- - Lionhearted   It might just be me being lazy but I found the num...   Feb 1 2013, 05:55 PM
- - Umidori   Indeed, I feel exactly the same way. Particularly ...   Feb 1 2013, 06:00 PM
- - Stahlseele   erm, wait, did not every last single one of the me...   Feb 1 2013, 06:10 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 1 2013, 10:10 AM)...   Feb 1 2013, 10:40 PM
- - Lionhearted   That would make glamour kinda pointless   Feb 1 2013, 06:14 PM
- - Stahlseele   yeah, so? doesn't mean it's not true, does...   Feb 1 2013, 06:35 PM
- - Umidori   Only the qualities I listed above are marked as im...   Feb 1 2013, 06:49 PM
- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 1 2013, 12:29 PM) In...   Feb 1 2013, 06:54 PM
- - Umidori   Okay, then it's a quality no one will ever tak...   Feb 1 2013, 07:05 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 1 2013, 12:05 PM) Ok...   Feb 1 2013, 07:16 PM
- - Lionhearted   What kind of features was that TJ? given that arac...   Feb 1 2013, 07:31 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 1 2013, 12:31 PM...   Feb 1 2013, 08:00 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 1 2013, 03...   Feb 1 2013, 08:41 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Feb 1 2013, 01:41 PM) HOL...   Feb 1 2013, 08:48 PM
- - Umidori   Yeah... spiders aren't insects. That and the ...   Feb 1 2013, 07:34 PM
- - Lionhearted   There is a spider spirit however, she eats invae ...   Feb 1 2013, 07:38 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Subphylum Chelicerata vs Subphylum Hexapoda Somet...   Feb 1 2013, 07:39 PM
- - X-Kalibur   That a can of WD40 you got there? Nope, it's ...   Feb 1 2013, 08:03 PM
- - Umidori   I still maintain that since Spider Spirits are not...   Feb 1 2013, 08:13 PM
|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 1 2013, 09:13 PM) I ...   Feb 2 2013, 08:14 AM
- - Lionhearted   A lot of people associate spiders with insects and...   Feb 1 2013, 08:19 PM
- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 1 2013, 12:29 PM) Po...   Feb 1 2013, 08:39 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Feb 1 2013, 12:39 PM) Eac...   Feb 1 2013, 09:48 PM
- - Lionhearted   Oh you've just been hanging with the wrong peo...   Feb 1 2013, 08:54 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 1 2013, 01:54 PM...   Feb 1 2013, 10:14 PM
- - Umidori   Just finished a preliminary write-up of my propose...   Feb 1 2013, 09:02 PM
- - Lionhearted   Some of the negative ones aren't negative enou...   Feb 1 2013, 10:54 PM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 2 2013, 06:54 AM...   Feb 2 2013, 12:39 AM
||- - Umidori   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 1 2013, 06:39 PM) I...   Feb 2 2013, 01:11 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 2 2013, 01:54 AM...   Feb 3 2013, 07:43 PM
- - _Pax._   I have to agree about the hair color. Shows how f...   Feb 1 2013, 10:57 PM
- - Stahlseele   @Glyph: Aaah yes, i think i got that mixed up.   Feb 1 2013, 10:59 PM
- - Teulisch   i suspect the real problem with changelings rests ...   Feb 2 2013, 12:57 AM
- - Glyph   I don't have a problem with 5-point flaws bein...   Feb 2 2013, 03:13 AM
- - Umidori   They are required to buy the flaw off. No "sh...   Feb 2 2013, 03:29 AM
- - Tanegar   A thought I just had: Quadruped: 5BP Positive Met...   Feb 2 2013, 03:32 AM
- - Umidori   But now you're constantly prone...? ~Umi   Feb 2 2013, 03:44 AM
- - _Pax._   I should think he was probably picturing somethign...   Feb 2 2013, 03:50 AM
- - Umidori   The only thing that's comparable are Sasobonsa...   Feb 2 2013, 03:52 AM
- - _Pax._   .... so make it a 5BP trait, that requires you to ...   Feb 2 2013, 04:19 AM
- - Umidori   That kind of makes it into a 10 BP variant of Elon...   Feb 2 2013, 04:27 AM
- - _Pax._   Look at it as more of a Satyr LEgs for 5BP, that y...   Feb 2 2013, 04:36 AM
- - Umidori   That might push the value up enough to justify it....   Feb 2 2013, 05:02 AM
- - Umidori   The difference is those actually impose mechanical...   Feb 3 2013, 07:50 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 3 2013, 10:50 PM) Yo...   Feb 3 2013, 09:02 PM
- - Lionhearted   Those are mild inconveniences, in a world with obv...   Feb 3 2013, 07:50 PM
- - Umidori   Exactly. From a mechanical standpoint, you're ...   Feb 3 2013, 07:57 PM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 3 2013, 03:02 PM) Yes th...   Feb 3 2013, 09:33 PM
- - _Pax._   Wait, yes it does. ALL the negative metagenics do...   Feb 3 2013, 11:05 PM
- - Umidori   QUOTE ("RC. p. 103")All the advanced cha...   Feb 3 2013, 11:19 PM
- - Pepsi Jedi   I think people might be sticking too hard to numbe...   Feb 4 2013, 02:42 AM
- - Umidori   I don't fucking care. You're ignoring my e...   Feb 4 2013, 03:41 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 4 2013, 11:41 AM) I ...   Feb 4 2013, 03:54 AM
|- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 3 2013, 10:41 PM) I ...   Feb 4 2013, 04:00 AM
||- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 4 2013, 12:00 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 04:19 AM
||- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 3 2013, 11:19 PM...   Feb 4 2013, 04:29 AM
||- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 4 2013, 12:29 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 04:40 AM
||- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 3 2013, 11:40 PM...   Feb 4 2013, 05:17 AM
||- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 4 2013, 01:17 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 05:50 AM
|||- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 4 2013, 01:50 PM) E...   Feb 4 2013, 06:02 AM
|||- - Mäx   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 4 2013, 09:02 AM...   Feb 4 2013, 07:41 AM
||||- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 4 2013, 03:41 PM) It mak...   Feb 4 2013, 08:21 AM
|||- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 4 2013, 01:02 AM...   Feb 4 2013, 12:32 PM
||- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 4 2013, 01:17 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 06:00 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 3 2013, 08:41 PM) I ...   Feb 4 2013, 03:41 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   As regards the Insectoid Features SURGE quality an...   Feb 4 2013, 04:10 AM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 3 2013, 10:17 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 06:05 AM
|- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 4 2013, 01:05 AM) Ex...   Feb 4 2013, 01:05 PM
- - Weldûn   Lvl 1 SURGE (w/Goring Horn [5], Keen Eared [5] and...   Feb 4 2013, 06:12 AM
- - Shortstraw   Isn't the GM supposed to pick the negative met...   Feb 4 2013, 07:51 AM
|- - Glyph   Changeling traits do give distinctive style, which...   Feb 4 2013, 11:50 AM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 4 2013, 09:50 PM) Chan...   Feb 4 2013, 12:40 PM
|- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 4 2013, 06:50 AM) Chan...   Feb 4 2013, 01:11 PM
- - Shortstraw   I would suggest anyone attempting to identify, tra...   Feb 4 2013, 08:37 AM
- - phlapjack77   Sorry, I should've been more clear. I'm su...   Feb 4 2013, 08:45 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 4 2013, 11:45 AM...   Feb 4 2013, 11:19 AM
- - Umidori   I feel like a broken record, but here goes... Eve...   Feb 4 2013, 08:57 AM
- - Shortstraw   Not all positive qualities/weapons/spells/adept po...   Feb 4 2013, 10:09 AM
- - phlapjack77   Pepsi Jedi, we'll have to agree to disagree on...   Feb 4 2013, 01:30 PM
- - Stahlseele   do variant metatypes fall under advanced character...   Feb 4 2013, 03:54 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 4 2013, 06:54 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 04:35 PM
- - Lionhearted   I think so Stahl... Anyway the problem with qualit...   Feb 4 2013, 04:45 PM
- - Umidori   +1 Lionhearted Now as for Pepsi. You are missing ...   Feb 4 2013, 05:20 PM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 4 2013, 09...   Feb 4 2013, 05:34 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 4 2013, 10:34 AM) Ex...   Feb 4 2013, 05:50 PM
- - Umidori   But is that worth 5 BP? Especially compared to the...   Feb 4 2013, 06:02 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 4 2013, 09:02 PM) Bu...   Feb 4 2013, 07:24 PM
- - _Pax._   What you're complaining about, Umidori, is cal...   Feb 4 2013, 06:18 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Feb 4 2013, 01:18 PM) Hav...   Feb 4 2013, 06:48 PM
- - Stahlseele   it does? where?   Feb 4 2013, 06:58 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 4 2013, 01:58 PM)...   Feb 4 2013, 07:00 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 4 2013, 12:00 PM) I...   Feb 4 2013, 07:13 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 4 2013, 02...   Feb 4 2013, 07:15 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 4 2013, 12:15 PM) W...   Feb 4 2013, 07:17 PM
- - Umidori   If a quality is not worth the BP cost assigned to ...   Feb 4 2013, 06:58 PM
- - Umidori   If Unusual Hair said that it was Dye-Resistant, ma...   Feb 4 2013, 07:23 PM
- - Umidori   Quite a few? Which ones, please? Point them out. A...   Feb 4 2013, 07:30 PM
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