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QUOTE ("RC @ p. 112") Granite Shell (15 BP): The character’s skin contains massive calcite inclusions that make it appear grayish and hard as rock. Treat Granite Shell as 3/3 armor that counts as Hardened Armor (p. 288, SR4). This quality is not compatible with any worn armor and counts for Armor and Encumbrance (p. 161*, SR4A*). QUOTE ("SR4A @ p. 327") Helmets and shields do not count as separate pieces of armor; instead, they modify the rating of worn armor by their rating (Armor and Encumbrance, p. 161). QUOTE ("SR4A. p. 161) Armor and Encumbrance If a character is wearing more than one piece of armor at a time, only the highest value (for either Ballistic or Impact) applies. Note that some armor items, like helmets and shields, provide a modifier to the worn armor rating and so do not count as stacked armor. Too much armor, however, can slow a character down. If either of a character’s armor ratings exceeds his Body x 2, apply a –1 modifier to Agility and Reaction for every 2 points (or fraction thereof ) that his Body x 2 is exceeded. Note that this may affect Initiative as well. If a character is wearing multiple armor items, add their ratings together before comparing to Body. So Granite Shell gives you 3/3 Hardened Armor, and it counts as worn armor, per the Armor and Encumbrance rules. Helmets and shields do not count as worn armor, but modify the rating of worn armor, which Granite Shell counts as. By RAW, it seems that having the Granite Shell quality, carrying a Ballistic Shield, and wearing any of the +2/+2 helmet varieties would give you a modified Hardened Armor of 11/9. Not sure if intended... but I'm having a hard time arguing against it based purely on RAW. ~Umi |
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Umidori Granite Shell + Shields Feb 6 2013, 09:54 PM
VykosDarkSoul ........ew Feb 6 2013, 09:56 PM
Umidori Let's take it further. Dual-wield ballistic sh... Feb 6 2013, 10:01 PM
Smirnov You can take Shiva Arms twice to have six shields.... Feb 6 2013, 10:18 PM
Lionhearted To be fair... A big hulking guy with rock skin and... Feb 6 2013, 10:25 PM
Umidori You'd need a Body of 15 to avoid encumbrance, ... Feb 6 2013, 10:38 PM
BishopMcQ Only the 3 points would count as Hardened.
I als... Feb 6 2013, 10:48 PM
Smirnov Never mind, should have read all the answers befor... Feb 7 2013, 01:24 AM
Umidori If you have Hardened Armor, the question becomes c... Feb 6 2013, 11:25 PM
Udoshi QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 6 2013, 04:25 PM) Ca... Feb 6 2013, 11:48 PM
Tanegar I cannot believe that this was intended. My rulin... Feb 7 2013, 12:09 AM
Umidori Whether if was intended? Who can say. Whether it... Feb 7 2013, 12:11 AM
Tanegar QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 6 2013, 07:11 PM) Wh... Feb 7 2013, 12:42 AM
BishopMcQ Umi--
My reading of the Hardened Armor Power (RW ... Feb 7 2013, 12:34 AM
Umidori Unless your skin is rock hard and inflexible. If y... Feb 7 2013, 12:54 AM
Tanegar It can't be inflexible at the joints, otherwis... Feb 7 2013, 03:37 AM
Umidori I think the lesson we can all take away from this ... Feb 7 2013, 04:03 AM
FuelDrop QUOTE (Umidori @ Feb 7 2013, 12:03 PM) I ... Feb 7 2013, 09:31 AM
Tanegar On this point, we agree. Feb 7 2013, 05:03 AM
Blade I guess none of the freelancer is a lawyer, and/or... Feb 7 2013, 09:43 AM
Draco18s Granite Shell + Shield should not make more armor,... Feb 7 2013, 12:51 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 7 2013, 05:51 AM) G... Feb 7 2013, 03:46 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 7 2013, 10... Feb 7 2013, 03:57 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 7 2013, 08:57 AM) A... Feb 7 2013, 04:08 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 7 2013, 11... Feb 7 2013, 04:39 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 7 2013, 09:39 AM) R... Feb 7 2013, 04:57 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 7 2013, 11... Feb 7 2013, 05:53 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 7 2013, 10:53 AM) A... Feb 7 2013, 07:33 PM
Stahlseele still makes it all but useless.
under SR3 rules yo... Feb 7 2013, 03:48 PM
Stingray ..and to make situation even worse, adding 3/3 gra... Feb 7 2013, 07:49 PM
Lionhearted QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 7 2013, 08:49 PM) .... Feb 7 2013, 08:22 PM
thorya I think he meant you don't roll to soak damage... Feb 7 2013, 07:51 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (thorya @ Feb 7 2013, 02:51 PM) I t... Feb 7 2013, 08:57 PM
Umidori The various Dermal Alterations leave a lot to be d... Feb 7 2013, 08:58 PM
Lionhearted Well... SURGE is (super)natural selection kind of.... Feb 7 2013, 09:10 PM
Umidori There are no Obsidimen because of the Earthdawn ri... Feb 8 2013, 12:10 AM
Halinn A thought on how to make granite skin more useful:... Feb 8 2013, 12:49 AM
Draco18s QUOTE (Halinn @ Feb 7 2013, 07:49 PM) A t... Feb 8 2013, 01:23 AM
Stahlseele So . . more or less back to how SR3 did hardened a... Feb 8 2013, 08:44 AM
Tanegar It has things to recommend it. Simplicity, for on... Feb 8 2013, 09:33 AM
Draco18s QUOTE (Tanegar @ Feb 8 2013, 04:33 AM) No... Feb 8 2013, 12:45 PM
Mikado Can you combine Granite Skin with being a Drake fo... Feb 8 2013, 05:40 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Mikado @ Feb 8 2013, 12:40 PM) Can... Feb 8 2013, 06:58 PM
Stahlseele I think the mostly accepted version is this:
Add A... Feb 8 2013, 08:08 PM
Halinn QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 8 2013, 09:08 PM)... Feb 8 2013, 11:32 PM
Stahlseele probably.
i ain't that firm in sr4 Feb 9 2013, 12:22 AM
Umidori That'd be a better way to handle it, in my min... Feb 9 2013, 12:29 AM![]() ![]() |
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