Jun 25 2013, 08:15 PM
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I'm not opposed to the idea of giving Wireless Bonuses to certain pieces of gear if they are connected to the Matrix. As a pure concept, it makes sense. Where it falls apart is in applying it to things which have no logical reason to require a Wireless Connection, such as the now infamous Wired Reflexes and Reaction Enhancers.
So, in that spirit, I've gone through the vast majority of different pieces of cyberware available in SR4, and evaluated each to see if I believe it can or should logically benefit from a Wireless connection. So without further ado, "Should This Have A Wireless Bonus?" Headware Attention Coprocessor: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Commlink: A wireless device by nature, but a matrix connection is only required for Matrix Actions, NO. Control Rig: Used via full VR, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Cranial Bomb: Can be remotely triggered, but doesn't have to be, and not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Data Filter: Can be remotely triggered, but doesn't have to be, and not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Data Lock: An upgraded Data Jack, this is wired-only device, NO. Data Jack: This is a wired-only device, NO. Encephalon: DNI, has no need for connectivity, already benefits Matrix Actions passively, NO. Invoked Memory Stimulator: Can be remotely triggered, but doesn't have to be, and not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Math SPU: DNI, has no need for connectivity, already benefits Matrix Actions passively, NO. Olfactory Booster: Has no need for connectivity, however can be connected to PAN "to create an even more thorough AR experience", could see this giving bonuses for AR, so YES. Orientation System: Can operate somewhat without connectivity, but integrated GPS and map-downloading are obvious Matrix connected bonuses, YES. Radar Sensor: A sensor system, has no need for connectivity, NO. Sim Module: The equivalent of a VCR or a Disc Drive, receives it's data either from a Data Storage Device or from the Matrix, not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Simsense Booster: DNI, has no need for connectivity, already benefits Matrix Actions passively, NO. Taste Booster: Has no need for connectivity, however can be connected to PAN "to create an even more thorough AR experience", could see this giving bonuses for AR, so YES. Tooth Compartment: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Ultrasound Sensor: A sensor system, has no need for connectivity, NO. Voice Mask: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Voice Modulator: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Eyeware Cybereyes: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Eye Laser System: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Eyeband: Operates as Cybereyes, NO. Eye Recording Unit: Can deliver data to other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO Flare Compensation: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Image Link: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Low-Light Vision: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Microscopic Vision: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Ocular Drone: Operates as per Cybereyes while implanted, as a Drone while not, connectivity issues already handled as a Drone, NO. Protective Covers: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Retinal Duplication: Has no need for connectivity, NO. Single Cybereye: Operates as Cybereyes, NO. Smartlink: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Thermographic Vision: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Vision Enhancement: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Vision Magnification: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Earware Audio Enhancement: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Balance Augmenter: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Cyberears: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Damper: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Ear Recording Unit: Can deliver data to other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Increased Sensitivity: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Select Sound Filter: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Sound Link: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Spatial Recognizer: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Bodyware Auto-Injector: Can be remotely triggered, but doesn't have to be, and not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Balance Tail: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Biomonitor: Can deliver data to other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Bone Lacing: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Blood Circuit Control System: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Cyberfins: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Cyber Safety: An RFID that is paired to a firearm's safety RFID, technically wireless, but not Matrix connected, renders cyber-smartlinks hacking immune, NO. Dermal Plating: Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Dermal Sheath: Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Fingertip Compartment: Manual operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Flex Hands: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Foot Anchor: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Gastric Neurostimulator: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Grapple Gun: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Grip Feet: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Internal Air Tank: DNI/Manual operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Magnetic System: DNI, has no need for connectivity, and in fact inhibits Wireless communications, NO. Move-by-Wire System: DNI, can receive data (Skillsofts) from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Muscle Replacement: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. OXSYS Cybergill: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Reaction Enhancers: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Retractable Climbing Claws: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Simrig: An upgraded Sim Module, receives it's data either from a Data Storage Device or from the Matrix, not the sort of device that should have bonuses, NO. Skillwire Expert System: DNI/Passive operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Skillwires: DNI, can receive data (Skillsofts) from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Skinlink: Adaptation for other devices, this results in a "wired" device, N/A. Smart Articulation: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Smuggling Compartment: Manual operation, has no need for connectivity, NO. Touch Link: I'm not even sure what this thing actually does, but... Can receive data from other sources, but merely requires a device connection, not a matrix connection, NO. Wired Reflexes: DNI, has no need for connectivity, NO. Other types of cyberware not included in this list are Cyberlimbs (which I'm told don't get Wireless Bonuses anyway), Cyberlimb Enhancements, Cyberlimb Accessories, Cyberweapons, Biodrone Control devices (which are highly out of the ordinary), Cosmetic 'Ware (which is cosmetic), and Nanocybernetics (also exotic, not to be confused with Nanoware, and I'm not entirely certain if they are controlled via wireless, or DNI, or what, exactly). ~~~~~~~ As you can see, the vast majority of cyberware is DNI controlled or operates passively, so a Wireless Connection is neither needed nor makes any sense. There are a number of devices which can be remotely triggered via Wireless Command, but this merely involves their "listening" for an appropriate command (and because of this they are already hackable), so Wireless Bonuses make no sense. There are a number of devices (such as Image Links or Sound Links) which can receive data from other devices, but said data can be received through a "wired" connection such as a fiberoptic cable or a skinlink and need not be received from the Matrix, so Wireless Bonuses again make no sense. There are a number of devices (such as Eye Recording Units or Ear Recording Units) which can deliver data to other devices, but said data can be delivered through a "wired" connection such as a fiberoptic cable or a skinlink and need not be sent via the Matrix, so Wireless Bonuses again make no sense. I personally identified only 3 pieces of cyberware that have remotely compelling reasons to grant bonuses when connected to the Matrix. The Orientation System does not function at full capacity without it's GPS triangulation, and likewise cannot download and update maps without a Matrix Connection. The Olfactory Booster and Taste Booster both explicitly mention their usage in regards to AR experiences, so if you want to be able to "smell" and "taste" AR data that isn't preprogrammed on your commlink or other storage device, you will need a Matrix Connection. If you disagree with my assessments on any individual pieces of 'ware, please feel free to post an organized, logical rebuttal. ~Umi |
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Umidori Should This Have A Wireless Bonus? Jun 25 2013, 08:15 PM
Moirdryd Hard to agree or disagree with some without seeing... Jun 25 2013, 08:44 PM
Umidori The specific bonuses themselves aren't what I... Jun 25 2013, 09:02 PM
RHat QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 03:02 PM) ... Jun 26 2013, 01:59 AM
Moirdryd Now I understand where you're coming from Umid... Jun 25 2013, 09:18 PM
Tanegar I'd like clarification on two points:
1) Orie... Jun 25 2013, 09:22 PM
Umidori QUOTE (Tanegar @ Jun 25 2013, 02:22 PM) 1... Jun 25 2013, 09:59 PM
DireRadiant Why wouldn't any device be able to work better... Jun 25 2013, 09:30 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jun 25 2013, 02:30 P... Jun 25 2013, 09:32 PM
DireRadiant QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 25 2013, 04... Jun 25 2013, 09:40 PM

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Aaron QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 25 2013, 04... Jun 25 2013, 11:39 PM
Udoshi QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 25 2013, 04:39 PM) If ... Jun 26 2013, 02:15 AM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 26 2013, 02:15 AM) Ev... Jun 26 2013, 02:56 AM
RHat QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 25 2013, 08:15 PM) Be... Jun 26 2013, 04:52 AM
cndblank Plus as a runner I want anyone AND their dog to be... Jun 26 2013, 05:38 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 26 2013, 12:38 AM) ... Jun 26 2013, 05:42 AM
Rubic QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 26 2013, 01:42 AM)... Jun 26 2013, 06:11 AM
RHat QUOTE (Rubic @ Jun 26 2013, 12:11 AM) Thi... Jun 26 2013, 06:17 AM

Rubic QUOTE (RHat @ Jun 26 2013, 02:17 AM) You ... Jun 26 2013, 06:29 AM

RHat QUOTE (Rubic @ Jun 26 2013, 12:29 AM) Tro... Jun 26 2013, 07:11 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (Rubic @ Jun 26 2013, 02:11 AM) Thi... Jun 26 2013, 06:48 AM
Umidori QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 25 2013, 02... Jun 25 2013, 09:34 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 02:34 PM) A... Jun 25 2013, 09:35 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS Interestingly enough, in another thread, it was co... Jun 25 2013, 10:15 PM
Umidori I'm sure many of us will be giving fair consid... Jun 25 2013, 10:21 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 11:21 PM) I... Jun 25 2013, 10:32 PM
Stahlseele Thank you for posting this Umi! Jun 25 2013, 10:40 PM
Umidori @Wired_SR_AEGIS
The problem is that the technolo... Jun 25 2013, 11:13 PM
Backgammon QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 07:13 PM) @... Jun 25 2013, 11:36 PM
Umidori QUOTE (Backgammon @ Jun 25 2013, 04:36 PM... Jun 25 2013, 11:48 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS @Umidori
I'm not going to be dismissive of yo... Jun 25 2013, 11:34 PM
Moirdryd Wired. The problem you're over looking isn... Jun 25 2013, 11:47 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jun 25 2013, 11:47 PM) ... Jun 26 2013, 01:33 AM
thorya What I want to know, preferably from someone that ... Jun 25 2013, 11:48 PM
Umidori So I've taken a breather, feel I can discuss t... Jun 26 2013, 03:03 AM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 26 2013, 04:03 AM) I... Jun 26 2013, 03:15 AM
Umidori QUOTE (Wired_SR_AEGIS @ Jun 25 2013, 08:1... Jun 26 2013, 03:35 AM
quentra I've slowly been coming around to the idea. No... Jun 26 2013, 03:07 AM
Umidori Skinlinks are actually based on real world physics... Jun 26 2013, 03:10 AM
quentra QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 10:10 PM) S... Jun 26 2013, 03:14 AM
Shinobi Killfist I can see some wireless bonuses, but I know the wi... Jun 26 2013, 03:14 AM
quentra Also, can we have a clarification on the Wired/Rea... Jun 26 2013, 03:18 AM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 26 2013, 04:18 AM) A... Jun 26 2013, 03:23 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Wired_SR_AEGIS @ Jun 25 2013, 08:2... Jun 26 2013, 04:30 AM
cndblank QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 25 2013, 10:30 PM) An... Jun 26 2013, 04:53 AM
Aaron QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 25 2013, 11:30 PM) An... Jun 26 2013, 02:04 PM
Mach_Ten QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 26 2013, 03:04 PM) and... Jun 26 2013, 02:13 PM

Aaron QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jun 26 2013, 09:13 AM) ... Jun 26 2013, 02:22 PM

Mach_Ten QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 26 2013, 03:22 PM) It... Jun 26 2013, 02:28 PM

Aaron QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jun 26 2013, 09:28 AM) ... Jun 26 2013, 02:53 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 26 2013, 02:04 PM) Fir... Jun 26 2013, 03:54 PM
quentra Of course we've always been at war with East A... Jun 26 2013, 03:26 AM
Jaid QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 25 2013, 10:26 PM) O... Jun 26 2013, 03:41 AM
quentra I think the core of Aegis' argument isn't ... Jun 26 2013, 03:38 AM
Umidori QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 25 2013, 08:38 PM) I... Jun 26 2013, 03:43 AM
quentra Okay, so Wired and Enhancers don't stack with ... Jun 26 2013, 03:45 AM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 26 2013, 03:45 AM) O... Jun 26 2013, 04:02 AM

quentra QUOTE (Wired_SR_AEGIS @ Jun 25 2013, 11:0... Jun 26 2013, 04:24 AM

Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 26 2013, 05:24 AM) H... Jun 26 2013, 05:52 AM
Critias QUOTE (quentra @ Jun 25 2013, 09:45 PM) O... Jun 26 2013, 06:55 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (Critias @ Jun 26 2013, 02:55 AM) I... Jun 26 2013, 07:02 AM
DWC Post removed because I got ninja'd to hell and... Jun 26 2013, 03:52 AM
Epicedion Two things:
First, to address the calculator exam... Jun 26 2013, 04:05 AM
Kruger QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 25 2013, 08:05 PM)... Jun 26 2013, 05:44 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS QUOTE (Kruger @ Jun 26 2013, 06:44 PM) Th... Jun 26 2013, 06:10 PM
Kruger QUOTE (Wired_SR_AEGIS @ Jun 26 2013, 10:1... Jun 26 2013, 06:32 PM
Wired_SR_AEGIS Just in case anyone was wondering, 120 mph = 322 5... Jun 26 2013, 04:09 AM
Umidori The problem with that analogy is that even a rubbi... Jun 26 2013, 04:21 AM
Rubic I would like to interject a good reason for why a ... Jun 26 2013, 04:21 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 11:21 PM) T... Jun 26 2013, 05:15 AM
quentra A bit more than frowny faces! But yeah, I... Jun 26 2013, 05:35 AM
Sengir Didn't see it posted here yet, so thanks to KI... Jun 26 2013, 10:48 AM
Irion QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 26 2013, 10:48 AM) Di... Jun 26 2013, 11:40 AM
Mach_Ten QUOTE (Irion @ Jun 26 2013, 12:40 PM) Yea... Jun 26 2013, 12:08 PM

Rubic QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jun 26 2013, 08:08 AM) ... Jun 26 2013, 12:43 PM

Stahlseele QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jun 26 2013, 02:08 PM) ... Jun 26 2013, 01:40 PM
Sengir QUOTE (Irion @ Jun 26 2013, 11:40 AM) If ... Jun 26 2013, 12:24 PM
Irion [quote name='Sengir' date='Jun 26 2013... Jun 26 2013, 01:37 PM

Sengir QUOTE (Irion @ Jun 26 2013, 01:37 PM) No ... Jun 26 2013, 02:31 PM

Irion QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 26 2013, 02:31 PM) Su... Jun 26 2013, 04:09 PM

StealthSigma QUOTE (Irion @ Jun 26 2013, 12:09 PM) The... Jun 26 2013, 05:06 PM

Epicedion QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jun 26 2013, 01:06 ... Jun 26 2013, 05:13 PM

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StealthSigma QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 26 2013, 01:22 PM)... Jun 26 2013, 05:39 PM
Irion [quote name='Sengir' date='Jun 26 2013... Jun 26 2013, 01:39 PM
Stahlseele Yes, the bonus stuff is seriously dumb . . Jun 26 2013, 10:58 AM
Backgammon I think I need to understand your thought processe... Jun 26 2013, 11:10 AM
Mach_Ten Got as far down that list as the first item before... Jun 26 2013, 11:34 AM
Umidori I'm finding it frustrating to continue talking... Jun 26 2013, 02:50 PM
Stahlseele @Umi
There is only one reason for this Bulldrek.
... Jun 26 2013, 02:53 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Umidori @ Jun 25 2013, 04:15 PM) C... Jun 26 2013, 03:04 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jun 26 2013, 05:04 ... Jun 26 2013, 03:27 PM
Mach_Ten QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 26 2013, 04:27 PM... Jun 26 2013, 03:39 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 26 2013, 11:27 AM... Jun 26 2013, 03:41 PM
Seerow So I've been thinking.
The whole point of the... Jun 26 2013, 03:15 PM
Stahlseele OK, so, on the german official board somebody aske... Jun 26 2013, 04:36 PM
Shinobi Killfist They seem to range from bad(pretty much all of the... Jun 26 2013, 04:36 PM![]() ![]() |
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