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RHat
post Jul 13 2013, 06:09 AM
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So, let's rundown the effective changes to Technomancers in SR5:

- No longer capable of any form of rigging without submersion
- Rather than being able to do everything that mundanes can do on the Matrix without significant investment (in some ways, I understand this - but the specific implementation has issues)
- Able to get around the Overwatch Score in the short term (via Resonance Actions), but incapable of monitoring their own Overwatch Score without simultaneously increasing Overwatch Score
- Went from being incredibly flexible (which was, in a lot of ways, their major advanatage) to being LESS flexible than mundanes, because they cannot alter their deck attribute layouts.
- Sprites now immediately begin accumulating Overwatch Score. I mean, what the FUCK?! First, sprites already had a hard time limit. Second, this means that there's no such thing as a legit technomancer, which you could not get all of the Big 10 to sign on for (a couple of them use technomancers too much for that). Third, what happens if the sprite drops out of the normal Matrix to go back to the Resonance? And if that's not possible anymore, why the hell not? Fourth, this is supposed to be a native creature of the Matrix in no small way, how can it possibly be so "foreign"?
- Why in the world would you remove the ability for Machine Sprites to actually use drones, or any other sort of device?
- How exactly are sprites meant to work? Do they just roll Hacking for a Hacking + Logic test? Because they happen not to have a Logic score. The example seems to think it uses its Resonance, but there's nothing to say that it does so.
- The sprite example neglects the existence of the supposed Limit for the Compiling test.
- The level of the Sprite apparently imposes the Limit for Compiling and Registering, lending low level sprites an inordinately high chance to resist in full. Not only does it not make sense, it actually drives people to the higher Level sprites where the system's more likely to run into problems.

I mean, seriously... It almost reads like whoever wrote the Technomancer rules just plain had it out for Technomancers, because they really seem to have been cut down. And this is without even getting into pretty big things like losing the benefits that over-threading USED to carry.
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- RHat   So... Technomancers   Jul 13 2013, 06:09 AM
- - SpellBinder   For the matrix in general, I'm still trying to...   Jul 13 2013, 06:45 AM
- - binarywraith   Call me crazy, but I don't think they got nerf...   Jul 13 2013, 07:11 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 13 2013, 01:11 ...   Jul 13 2013, 07:30 AM
- - Glyph   In SR4, hackers had a far lower entry bar. They m...   Jul 13 2013, 08:02 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jul 13 2013, 02:02 AM) In ...   Jul 13 2013, 08:33 AM
- - Sendaz   So it would be like an aspect almost, either a TM ...   Jul 13 2013, 08:36 AM
- - RHat   In essence, yes - though with an appropriate sacri...   Jul 13 2013, 08:44 AM
- - Sengir   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 13 2013, 07:09 AM) - Wh...   Jul 13 2013, 12:12 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 13 2013, 06:12 AM) To...   Jul 14 2013, 02:01 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 03:01 AM) They...   Jul 14 2013, 01:37 PM
- - Elfenlied   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 13 2013, 07:09 AM) I me...   Jul 13 2013, 12:47 PM
- - DoomFrog   QUOTE - No longer capable of any form of rigging w...   Jul 14 2013, 07:33 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (DoomFrog @ Jul 14 2013, 12:33 AM) ...   Jul 14 2013, 09:29 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 03:29 AM) Whic...   Jul 14 2013, 10:10 AM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 06:10 AM) J...   Jul 14 2013, 10:30 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 03:10 AM) W...   Jul 14 2013, 10:58 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 03:58 AM) With...   Jul 14 2013, 05:41 PM
|- - Charon   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 12:41 PM) H...   Jul 14 2013, 08:31 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 10:41 AM) H...   Jul 15 2013, 12:23 AM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 13 2013, 12:09 AM) Seco...   Jul 14 2013, 08:11 AM
- - ElFenrir   I actually find Technos to be better in a lot of w...   Jul 14 2013, 08:20 AM
- - Umidori   It is explicitly stated that there are government ...   Jul 15 2013, 12:25 AM
- - RHat   I take it you're choosing to skim past the ...   Jul 15 2013, 12:29 AM
- - Umidori   And immediately after that is "The end result...   Jul 15 2013, 12:36 AM
- - RHat   Well, yes, and that's the same state of affair...   Jul 15 2013, 12:42 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 05:42 PM) Well...   Jul 15 2013, 01:23 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 06:23 PM) I...   Jul 15 2013, 01:25 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 06:25 PM) Righ...   Jul 15 2013, 01:29 AM
|- - Charon   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 09:29 PM) W...   Jul 15 2013, 01:33 AM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (Charon @ Jul 14 2013, 06:33 PM) Yo...   Jul 15 2013, 01:40 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 06:29 PM) W...   Jul 15 2013, 01:39 AM
- - DeathStrobe   How do mancers deal with throwback devices? They d...   Jul 15 2013, 01:08 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Jul 14 2013, 06:08 P...   Jul 15 2013, 01:17 AM
- - GiraffeShaman   QUOTE yes, and that's the same state of affair...   Jul 15 2013, 01:27 AM
- - Umidori   The problem is Technomancy itself. It's strang...   Jul 15 2013, 01:44 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 14 2013, 09:44 PM) T...   Jul 15 2013, 01:50 AM
- - RHat   I asked what would happen once they traced you if ...   Jul 15 2013, 01:52 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 09:52 PM) I as...   Jul 15 2013, 02:03 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Rubic @ Jul 14 2013, 07:03 PM) For...   Jul 15 2013, 02:44 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 14 2013, 10:44 PM) That...   Jul 15 2013, 02:55 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Rubic @ Jul 14 2013, 07:55 PM) Tha...   Jul 15 2013, 03:24 AM
- - Tzeentch   I suppose the corps could argue that you are basic...   Jul 15 2013, 02:02 AM
- - GiraffeShaman   GOD doesn't do anything to you if you stay in ...   Jul 15 2013, 02:46 AM
- - Umidori   You're asking for specifics when you already k...   Jul 15 2013, 04:15 AM
- - GiraffeShaman   QUOTE And it says this where? Where is it said tha...   Jul 15 2013, 04:17 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (GiraffeShaman @ Jul 14 2013, 09:17...   Jul 15 2013, 04:28 AM
- - GiraffeShaman   QUOTE I'm not denying that such a possibility ...   Jul 15 2013, 04:49 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (GiraffeShaman @ Jul 14 2013, 09:49...   Jul 15 2013, 05:27 AM
- - SpellBinder   In story, bet the common SINner still believes tec...   Jul 15 2013, 05:29 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jul 14 2013, 10:29 P...   Jul 15 2013, 05:33 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jul 15 2013, 01:29 A...   Jul 15 2013, 05:53 AM
|- - DeathStrobe   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jul 14 2013, 10:29 P...   Jul 15 2013, 08:29 AM
- - Sengir   While it's nice that you guys go to such ends ...   Jul 15 2013, 10:44 AM
- - Abschalten   I had been excited for SR5, but after seeing the N...   Jul 15 2013, 02:21 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Abschalten @ Jul 15 2013, 05:21 PM...   Jul 15 2013, 03:58 PM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 15 2013, 09:58 AM) Consi...   Jul 15 2013, 06:06 PM
- - Moirdryd   I am not familliar with anything about TMs from SR...   Jul 15 2013, 03:36 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 03:36 PM) ...   Jul 15 2013, 10:22 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Apparently people don't remember the Otaku of ...   Jul 15 2013, 05:03 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jul 15 2013, 08:0...   Jul 15 2013, 05:21 PM
||- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 15 2013, 09:21 AM) Why s...   Jul 15 2013, 05:53 PM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jul 15 2013, 12:5...   Jul 15 2013, 06:46 PM
|- - Wired_SR_AEGIS   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jul 15 2013, 05:0...   Jul 16 2013, 04:14 AM
- - Jaid   just noticed another (subtle, but huge) nerf to te...   Jul 15 2013, 09:49 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Can dumpshock/Black DV on hot-simmed deckers be he...   Jul 15 2013, 09:53 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jul 15 2013, 03:5...   Jul 15 2013, 09:55 PM
- - Jaid   no restriction on dumpshock/biofeedback, so yes. ...   Jul 15 2013, 10:33 PM
- - Moirdryd   Reduce your own OS, Hide from GOD, Reduce Firewall...   Jul 15 2013, 10:52 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 05:52 PM) ...   Jul 15 2013, 10:58 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 11:52 PM) ...   Jul 16 2013, 08:32 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 16 2013, 01:32 AM) If...   Jul 16 2013, 08:46 AM
- - Moirdryd   Just dipped back into my PDF. Un resisted Matrix d...   Jul 15 2013, 11:03 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 06:03 PM) ...   Jul 15 2013, 11:25 PM
- - Jaid   reduce your own OS: oh good, that's wonderful ...   Jul 15 2013, 11:10 PM
- - Moirdryd   Jaid, IC counts as Persona so you can target them ...   Jul 15 2013, 11:14 PM
- - Moirdryd   Also, I'd totally let CFs target Hosts if they...   Jul 15 2013, 11:18 PM
- - GiraffeShaman   I haven't greatly gotten into TMs yet, but it ...   Jul 15 2013, 11:27 PM
- - Epicedion   I see TMs as being able to diffuse the Attack attr...   Jul 15 2013, 11:43 PM
- - Jaid   well, i will say that it looks like sprites are pr...   Jul 15 2013, 11:53 PM
- - Moirdryd   1) True 2) For now... (wondering what'll be ha...   Jul 16 2013, 12:16 AM
|- - Abschalten   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 07:16 PM) ...   Jul 16 2013, 12:18 AM
- - Moirdryd   That depends on lots of fluff and some of the Thre...   Jul 16 2013, 12:28 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 15 2013, 05:28 PM) ...   Jul 16 2013, 04:03 AM
- - quentra   TMs seem to be focused on decker buffing. They see...   Jul 16 2013, 01:33 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (quentra @ Jul 15 2013, 08:33 PM) T...   Jul 16 2013, 01:47 AM
|- - quentra   QUOTE (Rubic @ Jul 15 2013, 09:47 PM) In ...   Jul 16 2013, 01:48 AM
- - CodeBreaker   So, Puppet Master combined with Tattletale is inte...   Jul 16 2013, 02:27 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (CodeBreaker @ Jul 15 2013, 10:27 P...   Jul 16 2013, 05:39 AM
- - Tycho   Also the Fading will put yu out of buisiness. The...   Jul 16 2013, 03:52 AM
- - Moirdryd   Unless of course you take something like Focussed ...   Jul 16 2013, 10:51 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 16 2013, 06:51 AM) ...   Jul 16 2013, 04:20 PM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jul 16 2013, 12:20 PM) depr...   Jul 16 2013, 06:06 PM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jul 16 2013, 01:06 PM)...   Jul 16 2013, 06:57 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 16 2013, 11:51 AM) ...   Jul 16 2013, 04:31 PM
- - Epicedion   I've been working on a list of nasty things Te...   Jul 16 2013, 07:25 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jul 16 2013, 02:25 PM)...   Jul 16 2013, 08:25 PM
- - quentra   Hey look, TMs now have to have at least one submer...   Jul 16 2013, 08:14 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (quentra @ Jul 16 2013, 03:14 PM) H...   Jul 16 2013, 08:22 PM
- - quentra   All while taking fading and direct stun damage. Jo...   Jul 16 2013, 08:24 PM
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