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It takes a bit of investment, but it's not that hard to regularly summon Force 9 spirits with minimal drain from a starting character. The main ingredients are Magic 9 (natural 6 + Force 3 Power Focus) and a large drain pool -- Edge helps, too.
Force 9 spirits are, of course, rather ridiculously powerful. An air spirit has a ranged attack of 18P/-9 (Elemental Attack, electricity) with 21 dice and a melee attack of 27S/special (Engulf + Energy Aura). It also has initiative of 22 + 2d6 (before boosting with Increased Reflexes), 18 hardened armor against most attacks, and a defense pool (Rea + Int) of 22. Oh, and it makes your whole team invisible with Concealment (-9 dice to enemy perception rolls). Other spirit types are comparable. Here's a sample character built for summoning them (among other things): [ Spoiler ] Increased Willpower can be sustained with Focused Concentration, giving him a Willpower of 9 (maxxed out at natural +4). That plus his natural Charisma of 8 is a drain pool of 17. Summoning a Force 9 air spirit with 19 dice and then resisting drain with 17 dice results in an average of 3.3 services and 1.5 stun damage from drain (53% chance of no drain at all). If he's about to take drain damage, he can spend Edge (of which he has plenty) on Second Chance -- that reduces things to an average of 0.3 stun damage (87% chance of no drain at all). With some extra time, he can also quickly rest it off (adding Increased Body via a sustaining focus plus reagents gets him to 14 dice for healing stun damage). Binding a Force 9 spirit is scary stuff, but just summoning a new one whenever you run out of services is very doable and incredibly powerful. A couple other notes about the character: While he's incredibly frail physically, he's actually very hard to hit unless he's had to shut down his sustaining foci. If he's expecting combat, he'll generally be sustaining Increased Willpower (via Focused Concentration) and then Combat Sense on himself and Increased Reflexes on both himself and his summoned spirit (using sustaining foci). Those last three would be cast at Force 1 so they can fit in the sustaining foci but with reagents to increase their limits to 9 -- reagents are basically ammo for spellcasters. That gives him plenty of initiative to use Full Defense; that plus Combat Sense that typically gives him 21 dice for avoiding attacks, plus lots of Edge if things look ugly. He doesn't have any weapons or combat spells. He'd be perfectly competent with combat spells, but the spirit will still hit much harder and Control Thoughts (with a decent Initiative) actually seems like a more useful spell in a fight -- I haven't tried that in actual play, though. Edit: Since the sample character above seems particularly contentious, here's another one that's more well-rounded. He still won't do well at arm wrestling, but he's only a bit below average physically, and he adds some interesting capabilities: He's a great scout (strong detection spells plus perception to go with spirit Concealment) and all-around healer (17 dice for First Aid with a medkit, plus Heal and Resist Pain). He can still summon Force 9 spirits -- only 2.7 average services with no Mentor Spirit, but he's the same on drain resistance. Instead of a natural 8 charisma, he boosts both of his drain attributes via spells for the same total of 17 dice. He's tougher in combat with the same suite of defensive spells (Combat Sense, Increase Reflexes, Increase Willpower) plus better Body and Int + Rea. [ Spoiler ]
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kerbarian Angel Summoner Jul 28 2013, 02:20 AM
Jaid and then, one random day, instead of getting 3.3 s... Jul 28 2013, 02:36 AM
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Slide Body 1 agli reaction 1 str 1? I think you are lit... Jul 28 2013, 02:48 AM
kerbarian QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 27 2013, 07:48 PM) Bod... Jul 28 2013, 03:06 AM
Shortstraw Drain can only be healed by resting which is a bod... Jul 28 2013, 02:49 AM
Tanegar Between Body 1, a blitzed immune system, an allerg... Jul 28 2013, 08:48 AM
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Tanegar I haven't seen the Street Shaman archetype in ... Jul 28 2013, 10:55 AM
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PriorityKarmaGen A bigger concern is the hail-mary Force 12 spirit ... Jul 28 2013, 06:31 PM

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pragma QUOTE (kerbarian @ Jul 28 2013, 03:35 PM)... Jul 28 2013, 11:14 PM
FuelDrop QUOTE (Tanegar @ Jul 28 2013, 06:55 PM) I... Jul 28 2013, 11:37 AM
Draco18s Here's the downside:
You only get one of thes... Jul 28 2013, 01:02 PM
Falconer Actually... oddball question.
He may have a super... Jul 28 2013, 01:15 PM
quentra Just the fact that this is a chargen legal charact... Jul 28 2013, 08:14 PM
Lionhearted Did they remove the part where high force spirits ... Jul 28 2013, 09:39 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Jul 28 2013, 04:39 P... Jul 28 2013, 09:49 PM
Elfenlied QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Jul 28 2013, 10:39 P... Jul 29 2013, 12:57 PM
Tanegar QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jul 29 2013, 08:57 AM)... Jul 29 2013, 01:06 PM
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Draco18s QUOTE (Tanegar @ Jul 29 2013, 08:38 AM) A... Jul 29 2013, 01:52 PM
Lionhearted Hm, it was probably a suggested solution to the af... Jul 28 2013, 10:30 PM
FuelDrop The thread title reminded me of this. It was proba... Jul 28 2013, 11:58 PM
PriorityKarmaGen What do you guys think about a houserule nerfing t... Jul 29 2013, 12:56 AM
PriorityKarmaGen Huh, I just realized. By RAW, a summoning a Force... Jul 29 2013, 01:17 AM
xsansara Just first off: I think this a valid character con... Jul 29 2013, 08:14 AM
FuelDrop One houserule I'm considering is that spirits ... Jul 29 2013, 08:19 AM
Jhaiisiin See, there's a downside to us being colonial h... Jul 29 2013, 01:44 PM
Lionhearted QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jul 29 2013, 02:57 PM)... Jul 29 2013, 02:27 PM
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Nal0n I remember that group I played with some time ago ... Jul 30 2013, 07:45 PM
Sendaz Things you don't want to hear in a Shadowrun b... Jul 30 2013, 08:07 PM
Cheops It wasn't as big a deal in SR3 (my edition) to... Jul 30 2013, 10:27 PM
xsansara Back on topic:
The Hail-Mary F12 is quite danger... Jul 31 2013, 06:56 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (xsansara @ Jul 31 2013, 12:56 PM) ... Jul 31 2013, 07:41 PM

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Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Korwin @ Aug 1 2013, 10:40 PM) Ah ... Aug 2 2013, 08:04 PM
Irion QUOTE (xsansara @ Jul 31 2013, 07:56 PM) ... Aug 1 2013, 08:57 AM
Shinobi Killfist I really wish they had done something to weaken su... Jul 31 2013, 07:31 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jul 31 2013, 01... Jul 31 2013, 07:43 PM
phlapjack77 QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 1 2013, 03... Aug 1 2013, 02:37 AM
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Elfenlied QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jul 31 2013, 08... Aug 1 2013, 06:59 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jul 31 2013, 11:59 PM)... Aug 1 2013, 01:37 PM
Sendaz thought medkits don't help with drain anymore? Aug 1 2013, 09:03 AM
Irion @Sendaz
Stabalize, but I am not sure about that, I... Aug 1 2013, 09:03 AM
xsansara The problem with the high drain is that you are no... Aug 1 2013, 11:38 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (xsansara @ Aug 1 2013, 04:38 AM) T... Aug 1 2013, 01:39 PM
Jhaiisiin We have always run it that if your character is th... Aug 1 2013, 11:45 AM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Aug 1 2013, 06:45 AM) ... Aug 2 2013, 02:31 AM
Jhaiisiin Playing it safe is not the same as choosing to nev... Aug 2 2013, 03:29 AM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Aug 1 2013, 11:29 PM) ... Aug 3 2013, 12:02 AM
Jhaiisiin Not sure where you're seeing house rules. The... Aug 2 2013, 05:37 AM
Korwin OK only one HR (ALLWAYS using Edge).
From the firs... Aug 2 2013, 05:47 AM
Irion QUOTE (Korwin @ Aug 2 2013, 06:47 AM) OK ... Aug 2 2013, 06:12 AM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Korwin @ Aug 2 2013, 01:47 AM) OK ... Aug 3 2013, 12:05 AM
Jaid when your choices are to almost definitely be kill... Aug 2 2013, 05:58 AM
kzt QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 1 2013, 10:58 PM) when ... Aug 2 2013, 09:50 PM
Elfenlied I sure am glad that spirits using edge to resist s... Aug 2 2013, 07:19 AM
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Fyndhal QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 2 2013, 10:24 AM) ... Aug 2 2013, 03:39 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 2 2013, 01:19 AM) ... Aug 2 2013, 08:05 PM
Elfenlied QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 2 2013, 09... Aug 2 2013, 08:13 PM
Jaid QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 2 2013, 03... Aug 2 2013, 09:38 PM
Jhaiisiin Oh, I agree there Jaid. However, the argument bei... Aug 2 2013, 11:09 AM
Irion QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Aug 2 2013, 12:09 PM) ... Aug 2 2013, 08:13 PM
Shortstraw QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Aug 2 2013, 09:09 PM) ... Aug 3 2013, 12:28 AM
Sendaz Unless you REALLY need that high Force Water Eleme... Aug 2 2013, 12:11 PM
FuelDrop QUOTE (Sendaz @ Aug 2 2013, 08:11 PM) Unl... Aug 2 2013, 12:13 PM

Sendaz QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Aug 2 2013, 07:13 AM) Y... Aug 2 2013, 12:14 PM
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