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Redjack
post Mar 10 2015, 06:47 PM
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I'm not happy with SR5 SINs are presented. I think the fluff is cool. I think taxes are kinda wonky as presented and finally, I think the rules (as presented) simply do not justify the costs.

There are four types of SINs: National, Criminal, Corporate Limited, & Corporate Born

Items for discussion:
Spam: National SINs list higher rates of spam as a negative, but provide no in game effects. I think 1-2 additional points of noise equates fluff to rules well.
Social modifiers: Criminal and Corporate SINs both allude to negative social modifiers and/or prejudice. I think that both suspicious(-1)/violent(-3) as well as prejudice (-2) can possibly apply and stack.
Taxes: The idea that the corporations can always find you and extract their tax seems silly; what is the point of "being in the shadows" then? That said, if your lifestyle exceeds your taxable income, then the taxman should come calling. Also, the variable rates seem to not make sense, especially since the most karma expensive SIN has one of the lowest tax rates (doubly confounding since tax rate in the only true game affecting negative impact defined).
Records on File: Quite simply put, in the world of the SR5 matrix, a SIN seems that it should equate to the SR4 Records on File negative quality.
Fake SINs: Following on the heals of the previous point, when your fake SIN is checked, it also seems that sometimes a conflict with a real SIN should be located. This could equate to a dp and/or limit modifier to the checking device. End results could be reduction of fake SIN rating, burning of a fake SIN, SIN reported as stolen, and/or criminal charges related to the fake SIN that could possibly end with the real SIN being converted to a criminal SIN.
Karma Cost: I alluded to this above. To me, the SIN costs simply do not seem to be justified across the various SINs. For example: In game terms a Corporate Limited & Corporate Born SIN both seem to be the same except the tax rate... and the one with the higher tax rate yields a lower karma award.

As usual, I seek your thoughts about how you do or would play them, and that this be a conversation rather than an argument. ergo: In any given person plays with an option or definition, no matter how much you personally cannot imagine playing with it, that option is not "unplayable" because someone is obviously playing with it.

Thanks!
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- Redjack   Real SINs   Mar 10 2015, 06:47 PM
- - ProfGast   Just touching on a couple of the points for now......   Mar 10 2015, 07:07 PM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (ProfGast @ Mar 10 2015, 02:07 PM) ...   Mar 11 2015, 01:00 AM
- - hermit   For Taxation: Why not require - explicitly - the S...   Mar 11 2015, 08:35 AM
- - Sengir   Here's a heretical thought: Why should having ...   Mar 13 2015, 01:47 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 12 2015, 08:47 PM) Wh...   Mar 13 2015, 03:22 AM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (Redjack @ Mar 13 2015, 04:22 AM) I...   Mar 13 2015, 06:58 PM
|- - Smash   QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 13 2015, 12:47 PM) He...   Mar 13 2015, 08:54 PM
- - Smash   Given the extraterritorial nature of North America...   Mar 13 2015, 08:51 PM
- - Umidori   Some thoughts... Spam - In practice, any Shadowru...   Mar 16 2015, 03:56 AM
|- - Iduno   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 15 2015, 11:56 PM) F...   Mar 17 2015, 01:24 PM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (Iduno @ Mar 17 2015, 06:24 AM) Thi...   Mar 17 2015, 09:34 PM
- - Redjack   QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 13 2015, 01:58 PM) Ad...   Mar 20 2015, 01:38 AM
|- - Smash   QUOTE (Redjack @ Mar 20 2015, 12:38 PM) I...   Mar 20 2015, 05:39 AM
- - Shemhazai   Pardon me, but I thought that high rating SIN chec...   Mar 20 2015, 06:35 PM
- - Umidori   Wait... SR5 changed it so R6 SINs use your own bio...   Mar 20 2015, 10:14 PM
- - Fresno Bob   Having any kind of biometrics tied to a SIN would ...   Mar 21 2015, 12:52 AM
- - Umidori   I don't get why I'm having such a hard tim...   Mar 21 2015, 04:11 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 21 2015, 05:11 AM) T...   Mar 21 2015, 02:17 PM
- - Umidori   There's also the matter of how the SIN databas...   Mar 21 2015, 04:28 AM
|- - Shemhazai   Great posts, Umidori. On your point: QUOTE (Umidor...   Mar 21 2015, 11:14 AM
- - Lurker37   It seems to me that there is a fundamental disconn...   Mar 21 2015, 01:08 PM
- - Shemhazai   SR5, Fake SINs, Fake Sin Details (table), p. 367: ...   Mar 21 2015, 01:28 PM
- - Umidori   Okay, I think we've found part of the disconne...   Mar 21 2015, 02:54 PM
|- - Shemhazai   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 21 2015, 03:54 PM) A...   Mar 21 2015, 06:46 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 21 2015, 03:54 PM) M...   Mar 22 2015, 03:32 PM
|- - Fresno Bob   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 21 2015, 07:54 AM) O...   Mar 22 2015, 10:05 PM
- - Umidori   You have to examine the system from the point of v...   Mar 21 2015, 07:22 PM
- - Redjack   This thread has been great to spark the creative j...   Mar 29 2015, 04:38 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Redjack @ Mar 29 2015, 06:38 PM) -...   Apr 2 2015, 01:12 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 1 2015, 07:12 PM) Isn...   Apr 2 2015, 02:07 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Redjack @ Apr 2 2015, 04:07 AM) No...   Apr 2 2015, 11:57 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 2 2015, 06:57 AM) I m...   Apr 2 2015, 12:50 PM
- - Fresno Bob   Should SINS with a rating greater than the scanner...   Apr 2 2015, 03:05 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Fresno Bob @ Apr 1 2015, 10:05 PM)...   Apr 2 2015, 03:08 AM
- - Ursus Maior   But why should FakeSINs with a rating lower than t...   Apr 2 2015, 05:35 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Ursus Maior @ Apr 2 2015, 12:35 AM...   Apr 2 2015, 10:54 AM
|- - Ursus Maior   QUOTE (Redjack @ Apr 2 2015, 10:54 AM) I ...   Apr 2 2015, 01:56 PM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Ursus Maior @ Apr 2 2015, 08:56 AM...   Apr 2 2015, 04:05 PM
- - Sendaz   I think what is also tripping up some people is ho...   Apr 2 2015, 12:17 PM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 2 2015, 07:17 AM) Eve...   Apr 2 2015, 12:47 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Redjack @ Apr 2 2015, 07:47 AM) It...   Apr 2 2015, 01:18 PM
- - Ursus Maior   In that case, I'm looking forward to see, what...   Apr 4 2015, 10:18 PM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Ursus Maior @ Apr 4 2015, 05:18 PM...   Apr 4 2015, 10:37 PM
- - Voran   Having recently acquired a passport, I can see som...   Apr 13 2015, 10:05 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   I think the only way a real sin should effect you ...   Apr 13 2015, 04:08 PM


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