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JanessaVR
post Dec 17 2015, 07:51 PM
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I confess, I’m not a fan of the Infected. I think the whole concept of “Infected Rights” is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of in the entire history of Shadowrun and as far as I’m concerned a cure for HMHVV was found long ago; it’s called fire – apply lots of it to the Infected patient until the infection disappears. This cure has a 100% success rate, and should be applied globally as soon as possible. Granting monsters that want to eat you civil rights? Why not just shoot yourself in the head? It’s quicker. Apparently it’s supposed to be a not-too-subtle allegory for [insert oppressed group X here], but it’s a terrible one, as I don’t know any members of [insert oppressed group X here] that actually kill and eat people (something that would, in fact, fully justify discrimination against them).

That said, they do make good (and nasty) villains in the game, but I think they could use a little streamlining, especially since Strain II (Ghilani Moneriviridae) rarely gets any press. So we’ll just drop that one and concentrate on revamped versions of Strains I and III (now renamed Strain II), as follows.


Strain I (Ghilani Vrykolakivididae)

Metatype______Becomes
Human...............Vampire
Elf......................Banshee
Dwarf.................Goblin
Ork....................Grendel
Troll...................Dzoo-noo-qua
Sasquatch..........Jabberwock


Strain Ib

Metatype______Becomes
Human...............Nosferatu


Strain II (Ghilani Wichtiviridae)

Metatype______Becomes
Any....................Ghoul


Strain IIb

Metatype______Becomes
Elf......................Harvester


All of these should be Dual-Natured creatures (so as to more easily keep these filthy things outside with astral wards). SR5 has, with the exception of one or two of the Infected, already taken this approach and I very much approve of it.

The end result here is fairly clean and simple. There are now just two major strains, one which has variable effects depending on the victim’s metatype, and another which always has one effect regardless of the victim’s metatype. There are also two “variant strains” that create rarer (and even more terrifying) monsters, but if you don’t want Nosferatu or Harvesters in your campaign world, you can just drop these.

This also frees up the Wendigo to be not just another plague carrier or run-of-the-mill monster, but the terrifying creature of Native American legend that it ought to be. Really, go look up the legends of the Wendigo. It’s a fantastically terrifying creature and relegating it to the status of being just a furry, Infected ork is such a waste it’s practically a crime. With this fix in place, you can introduce the Wendigo as either a magical creature or a spirit, in all its horrifying glory, which is a much better use for it in the campaign world.

One last thing that needs to be addressed – ghoul infection needs to be dialed down. I’m scarcely the first person to comment that, as written, even George Romero must be impressed at the Ghoul Apocalypse that would already have happened long ago with creatures this infectious. Currently, consulting SR4 Running Wild, it has a Power of 8. I’m thinking that cutting that in half to a Power of 4 would be a better alternative. Does anyone already have any house rules on reducing HMHVV III infection potency to avert the Ghoul Apocalypse?
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- JanessaVR   HMHVV Revamped and Streamlined   Dec 17 2015, 07:51 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   So, my one comment about the transmission is that ...   Dec 18 2015, 05:46 AM
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- - EKBT81   QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Dec 17 2015, 08:51 PM)...   Dec 18 2015, 08:34 AM
- - Mantis   I could have sworn the guy who did the infected ru...   Dec 18 2015, 05:57 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Mantis @ Dec 18 2015, 12:57 PM) I ...   Dec 19 2015, 08:24 PM
- - Mantis   Yeah, that seems like the discussion and Patrick p...   Dec 20 2015, 05:14 PM
- - Sendaz   From Patrick Goodman's errata the biggest thin...   Dec 21 2015, 09:58 PM
- - JanessaVR   Sounds like the following might do it then: Vecto...   Dec 22 2015, 05:37 PM
- - JanessaVR   Building on the above, this goes back to the first...   Dec 23 2015, 09:23 PM
- - Cochise   There seem to be some things off with your list: ...   Dec 23 2015, 10:05 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Cochise @ Dec 23 2015, 02:05 PM) T...   Dec 23 2015, 10:32 PM
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|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Cochise @ Dec 23 2015, 02:58 PM) I...   Dec 23 2015, 11:04 PM
- - Sendaz   Chupacabras were mentioned in 2nd Ed Cyberpirates ...   Dec 23 2015, 10:22 PM
- - Sendaz   If we are doing the shuffle, could we consider dit...   Dec 23 2015, 11:43 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Dec 23 2015, 03:43 PM) If...   Dec 24 2015, 12:08 AM
- - Mantis   I've always preferred them as monsters over pl...   Dec 23 2015, 11:52 PM
- - JanessaVR   This actually does make me think...if we accept th...   Dec 24 2015, 03:43 AM
|- - Cochise   QUOTE (JanessaVR)This actually does make me think....   Dec 24 2015, 10:51 AM
- - JanessaVR   Well, the short answer is that, yes, HMHVV has str...   Dec 24 2015, 06:12 PM
- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Cochise @ Dec 24 2015, 02:51 AM) A...   Dec 25 2015, 01:25 AM
|- - Sendaz   Well just a point to ponder: QUOTE (JanessaVR ...   Dec 25 2015, 10:53 AM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Dec 25 2015, 02:53 AM) We...   Dec 28 2015, 06:43 PM
- - Sengir   QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Dec 25 2015, 02:25 AM)...   Dec 27 2015, 03:25 PM
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|- - Sengir   QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Dec 29 2015, 02:28 AM)...   Dec 29 2015, 07:47 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sengir @ Dec 29 2015, 11:47 AM) Ag...   Dec 29 2015, 08:08 PM
- - Sendaz   Now one point in the Infected's favour is show...   Dec 29 2015, 06:34 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Dec 29 2015, 10:34 AM) No...   Dec 29 2015, 06:58 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Dec 29 2015, 07:34 PM) No...   Dec 30 2015, 05:14 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   In some cultures, people eat dogs. At the same ti...   Dec 29 2015, 11:38 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Dec 29 2015, 03:38...   Dec 30 2015, 12:28 AM
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||- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jan 3 2016, 10:15 AM) The...   Jan 3 2016, 08:39 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Dec 30 2015, 12:18...   Dec 30 2015, 04:02 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Dec 30 2015, 11:02 AM) I ...   Dec 31 2015, 03:12 AM
- - Sendaz   mmmmmmm.. jerky ^_^ Wait, that might not work. ...   Dec 31 2015, 09:32 AM
- - Sendaz   Well Patrick Goodman came back to us about this on...   Jan 2 2016, 02:54 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 1 2016, 09:54 PM) Wel...   Jan 2 2016, 04:22 AM
- - Sendaz   Well with the restriction about no salts/nitrates/...   Jan 2 2016, 11:08 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 2 2016, 06:08 AM) Wel...   Jan 3 2016, 11:59 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jan 3 2016, 06:59 ...   Jan 4 2016, 12:24 AM
- - Sendaz   Got this from the Patrick on the other forum today...   Jan 4 2016, 06:23 PM
- - JanessaVR   Well, glad to see we've attracted Patrick...   Jan 4 2016, 09:00 PM
- - Sendaz   In regards to the use of magical preparation as su...   Jan 4 2016, 09:13 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 4 2016, 04:13 PM) In ...   Jan 4 2016, 10:19 PM
- - JanessaVR   Ok, the holiday season gave the time to both think...   Jan 5 2016, 02:07 AM
|- - binarywraith   QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Jan 4 2016, 08:07 PM) ...   Jan 17 2016, 10:20 PM
- - JanessaVR   Ah, one thing I forgot, the “descent into mo...   Jan 5 2016, 02:51 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   Someone invoked me?   Jan 5 2016, 11:41 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 5 2016, 03:4...   Jan 6 2016, 12:57 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 6 2016, 12:4...   Jan 7 2016, 11:36 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jan 7 2016, 03:36 PM) @Ja...   Jan 8 2016, 12:32 AM
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|- - Sengir   QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Jan 17 2016, 09:54 PM)...   Jan 18 2016, 09:15 AM
- - Sendaz   Okay, who left the summoning circle on? @ Patric...   Jan 5 2016, 11:55 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 5 2016, 05:55 PM) Now...   Jan 6 2016, 02:13 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   Gonna start out with: I didn't have anything t...   Jan 7 2016, 01:58 PM
|- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 7 2016, 05:5...   Jan 7 2016, 07:23 PM
- - Sendaz   @ Sengir Aye. They did introduce a few spells t...   Jan 8 2016, 08:21 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   The 1% vs 5% thing was introduced in editorial a b...   Jan 18 2016, 09:18 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 18 2016, 05...   Jan 18 2016, 10:14 PM
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||- - JanessaVR   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 18 2016, 02:25 PM) De...   Jan 19 2016, 12:24 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 18 2016, 10...   Jan 19 2016, 09:40 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Jan 18 2016, 04...   Jan 19 2016, 10:25 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   My wife knows what I write. She got some amusement...   Jan 19 2016, 11:34 PM
- - Sendaz   Good to see she has a sense of humour. That or ...   Jan 20 2016, 01:42 AM


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