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Rory Blackhand
post Aug 8 2004, 01:35 AM
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I have a character concept in mind that requires ambidexterity to take advantage of a two weapon fighting style. If you look at the cover of Man and Machine it shows a samurai wielding 2 katanas simultaneously. I am trying to make a character on the path of becoming a "Kensai", (sword saint) and want to give him the best possible start I can to it.

I am confused by the number of differing systems to handle two weapon use though. First what is the current rule and the mechanics of how it works? Second is using two katanas acceptable? If not why not? Miyamoto Musashi used two katanas. Niten Ichi Ryu, "two heaven" style is a Kenjutsu art of two weapon use, sometimes two katanas. If not, then how about no dachi and katana for a troll sized character wishing to use this style? Is there a penalty for trolls to use two handed human sized weapons? I thought I saw a +1 penalty somewhere?

I also fight in the SCA, frequently with two long swords. The longer, the better, actualy. Anyone not familiar with the SCA, it is a "full contact" martial art using wooden weapons and real armor. I have been fighting for years. Two weapon style is common, but long sword/short sword is almost nonexistant, simply because it does not work as well as two long swords. This is not ancient history, this is real world practicality.

This link shows two long sword fighting in a tournament:

http://4th.com/photo.php?dir=sca/justin/ph...0030525-157.jpg

This link shows a grainy (sorry) video of a war, if you look carefuly you can see two weapon style being used in battle, skirmishers though, not in the main line:

http://www.romanempire.net/romepage/images...f%20movie02.asf

I am not sure on the rules, so I wanted to get some advice here. I am looking at the Canon Companion and it has variying degrees of ambidexterity edge. Is this an optional rule? To get no penalties you have to take an 8 point edge?

I would like to be able to use two swords with the least amount of penalties. I really don't care about ranged combat for this character concept. I just want to be the best two weapon swordsman possible. Any help is appreciated.

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- Rory Blackhand   Ambidexterity   Aug 8 2004, 01:35 AM
- - Glyph   The official rules for ambidexterity and two-weapo...   Aug 8 2004, 02:39 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Sorry man, but a long and short sword is much bett...   Aug 8 2004, 09:53 AM
- - Fygg Nuuton   anyone wielding 2 weapons is shot on sight   Aug 8 2004, 11:17 AM
- - Cynic project   My only character who really used swords used gla...   Aug 8 2004, 04:05 PM
- - WolfJack   QUOTE Anyone not familiar with the SCA, it is a ...   Aug 8 2004, 06:05 PM
- - Necro Tech   Back to the original topic, axes and hammers or pi...   Aug 9 2004, 12:19 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   My question is primarily about game mechanics, usi...   Aug 9 2004, 01:51 AM
- - toturi   *sigh* I see that you are one of those.   Aug 9 2004, 02:02 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   Sorry Toturi, I am long winded. I will try my best...   Aug 9 2004, 02:33 AM
- - FrostyNSO   First, if you've never had an opponent close w...   Aug 9 2004, 05:50 AM
- - FrostyNSO   *am NOT able to bench 380 pounders, sorry.   Aug 9 2004, 05:52 AM
- - Glyph   Getting back on topic... if you want your characte...   Aug 9 2004, 06:25 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Don't forget the absolutely AWESOME 'count...   Aug 9 2004, 06:53 AM
- - Moon-Hawk   Mushashi did indeed develop Niten Ichi Ryu, which ...   Aug 9 2004, 01:00 PM
- - FrostyNSO   You make a good point, I should clarify. By block...   Aug 9 2004, 04:51 PM
- - Odin   Although IRL blocking is almost useless unless you...   Aug 9 2004, 05:02 PM
- - Voran   The thing that bugged me about the way SR manages ...   Aug 9 2004, 06:06 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No it doesn't. You don't need Ambidexter...   Aug 9 2004, 06:12 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) I also fight in the SCA, fr...   Aug 9 2004, 06:32 PM
- - JaronK   I've actually been working on legitimate full ...   Aug 9 2004, 07:47 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But in a situation where you're using a fake S...   Aug 9 2004, 07:58 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   I kind of forgot this thread I was so busy, but I ...   Aug 11 2004, 06:13 AM
- - Sesix   You know its amazing you say "I'm not put...   Aug 11 2004, 07:09 AM
- - SporkPimp   You guys are all idiots. That said, I'd like ...   Aug 11 2004, 07:50 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   I said lame fighting kata because what they are do...   Aug 11 2004, 08:42 AM
- - FrostyNSO   This 'field' is rife with ego, your's ...   Aug 11 2004, 08:49 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   I don't have an ego problem. I am completly at...   Aug 11 2004, 09:17 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Your right I should've kept the ego comment to...   Aug 11 2004, 10:04 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   Just to get a thread that has way outlived its use...   Aug 11 2004, 10:21 AM
- - JaronK   I should mention where I'm coming from in all ...   Aug 11 2004, 10:23 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   Apolgy accepted Frosty, I am not here to step on a...   Aug 11 2004, 11:38 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)This is why I say that with ...   Aug 11 2004, 12:56 PM
- - Xirces   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) After all, fighting wi...   Aug 11 2004, 01:59 PM
- - toturi   Even without the Ambidex rules or 2 hand fighting ...   Aug 11 2004, 02:21 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) Kagetenshi, we have weaklin...   Aug 11 2004, 03:10 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   Austere Emancipator, you sound interested enough i...   Aug 11 2004, 04:01 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I've used two swords (actual metal. Bad swords...   Aug 11 2004, 04:19 PM
- - Xirces   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) You get to add half your st...   Aug 11 2004, 04:49 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Because a lot of armed fighting styles teach one-w...   Aug 11 2004, 04:52 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)A kill, by the way, is a sol...   Aug 11 2004, 05:02 PM
- - BitBasher   I'm unaware of a weapon fighting style that do...   Aug 11 2004, 05:03 PM
- - FrostyNSO   I've found Aiki-Jiujitsu to complement my one-...   Aug 11 2004, 08:32 PM
- - JaronK   You know, having weilded a real broadsword before ...   Aug 11 2004, 09:01 PM
- - mfb   i'd disagree. i don't doubt that you know ...   Aug 11 2004, 09:13 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   Yes, the hits have to be hard on any part of the b...   Aug 11 2004, 09:18 PM
- - JaronK   With your left hand, while weilding another with y...   Aug 11 2004, 09:18 PM
- - mfb   well, sure. if it was easy, everyone'd do it...   Aug 11 2004, 10:10 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)Unfortunately there is no gr...   Aug 11 2004, 11:07 PM
- - Sesix   Um, wtf? Butcher knives can not stab, I would like...   Aug 12 2004, 12:00 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Just a note on stage weapon use: Most stage wea...   Aug 12 2004, 12:35 AM
- - JaronK   The weapons I was using were of proper weight... i...   Aug 12 2004, 07:44 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Like how heavy are we talking? The ones I held we...   Aug 12 2004, 07:47 AM
- - JaronK   Hard to say exactly. These things were about, I d...   Aug 12 2004, 07:51 AM
- - Bölverk   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)If you want me to believe you ca...   Aug 12 2004, 10:05 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Someone linked this here some time back, really ni...   Aug 12 2004, 10:13 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Maybe I'm just clueless here, but... SCA figh...   Aug 13 2004, 04:51 PM
- - JaronK   More like trying to figure modern warfare tactics ...   Aug 13 2004, 06:06 PM
- - mfb   to a point. the interconnect between actual stabbe...   Aug 13 2004, 06:08 PM
- - FrostyNSO   actually, Jaron, there is something worthwhile in ...   Aug 13 2004, 06:11 PM
- - JaronK   Well, you can definitely learn some real warfare t...   Aug 13 2004, 06:11 PM
- - mfb   heh, the same thing happens with MILES (suped-up l...   Aug 13 2004, 06:15 PM
- - FrostyNSO   Yeah, and the lasers diffuse over a larger area at...   Aug 13 2004, 06:23 PM
- - mfb   i shall insist to my dying day that the accuracy o...   Aug 13 2004, 06:32 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Skillz. Hey, if you ever find yourself in a movie...   Aug 13 2004, 06:35 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   KarmaInferno, you are a bit off the mark. First I ...   Aug 14 2004, 05:55 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   And to back JarodK's assumptions. My arms were...   Aug 14 2004, 06:08 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   I already went through the reasons why I would bet...   Aug 14 2004, 06:44 AM
- - FrostyNSO   I don't understand how the long-short combinat...   Aug 14 2004, 09:12 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   To prepare a soldier to kill, the stimulus in prac...   Aug 15 2004, 12:08 AM
- - FrostyNSO   I am curious, why are there no blows below the kne...   Aug 15 2004, 12:36 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   sorry for the double post   Aug 15 2004, 01:07 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   Frosty, the long long is superior in my opinion an...   Aug 15 2004, 01:46 AM
- - Person 404   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)If you would prefer an Itali...   Aug 15 2004, 07:49 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE (Person 404) QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)If you wo...   Aug 15 2004, 08:00 AM
- - Method   I was going to write a long post but I think I can...   Aug 15 2004, 08:42 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) razor sharp sword If yo...   Aug 15 2004, 08:59 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)Austere Emancipator, what ex...   Aug 15 2004, 03:08 PM
- - KarmaInferno   I have one more comment to add. If two long sword...   Aug 15 2004, 05:50 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   Method, what are you talking about? Of course the ...   Aug 15 2004, 07:00 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) I knocked someone out using...   Aug 15 2004, 07:12 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE You'd think in the millions of sword fig...   Aug 15 2004, 07:15 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)this ficticious Italian scho...   Aug 15 2004, 07:28 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE I don't think there's a person who h...   Aug 15 2004, 07:29 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE Seriously, either read my messages or simply...   Aug 15 2004, 08:16 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE QUOTE You'd think in the millions of swo...   Aug 15 2004, 08:20 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE So a major reason that you only see a very v...   Aug 15 2004, 08:52 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)Now you are going to tell me...   Aug 15 2004, 09:07 PM
- - FrostyNSO   Blackhand is right, Niten Ichi Ryu students do tra...   Aug 15 2004, 11:23 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE I didn't even mention Marines, I mention...   Aug 16 2004, 12:24 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)I could add Delta Force, SEA...   Aug 16 2004, 01:09 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Rory, when it comes down to it, the SCA is the equ...   Aug 16 2004, 01:31 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE My only point has been from the beginning t...   Aug 16 2004, 10:27 AM
- - Digital Heroin   Personally I'm amused anyone who hasn't ev...   Aug 16 2004, 10:36 AM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE Personally I'm amused anyone who hasn...   Aug 16 2004, 01:04 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand)In fact you have been callin...   Aug 16 2004, 02:36 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Back on the main discussion, one thing that may ha...   Aug 16 2004, 02:43 PM
- - Botch   After wading through all of the posts I'm horr...   Aug 16 2004, 03:01 PM
- - Rory Blackhand   QUOTE So you still maintain that no unarmed combat...   Aug 16 2004, 05:38 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Rory Blackhand) I will agree with you only ...   Aug 16 2004, 05:46 PM
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