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FrostyNSO
post Aug 8 2004, 11:13 PM
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I have been GMing my group for a few years now and though we've tried rotating the GMing duties every once in a while, it seems the players just like it better when I GM.

Well I moved about 4 hours away and so I've been coming down for a monthly game lately. During my "off-weeks" one of our group will GM a run for those guys while I'm away.

Before this guy would ever GM, and was just a player, he had already bought all of the books, and would often call into question certain house rules I had implemented to speed up the gameplay when neccessary. This guy insisted on sticking to the rules no matter how much it slowed things down or (some say) 'ruined' the moment.

Anyways, this dude when he GM'ed had given 'my' players access to a clearinghouse-type place (similar to crime mall) which also sported a Delta clinic. He gave them unrealistic NPC's that would supply monofilament whips and heavy weapons. Allowed the players to purchase 1000's of rounds of anti-vehicular ammunition from the crime mall. Paid the players huge sums of nuyen for token runs. And this is things the players got access to after 1 or 2 runs! I have always tried to run a 'work your way to the top' kind of game, where the players had to use their contacts a little more, do more footwork, and when violence was required, to do it in a professional manner. This other guy has blown that all to hell within a few gaming sessions.

Another big thing we've butted heads on is magic and drain. A long time ago, when the group decided mages were a little overpowered, we deviated from the rules in the book (1/2 the spell's force used when calculating drain), and instead decided to use the spell's whole force for drain resistance. This had worked wonders and helped to control players (and NPC's) with boatloads of high-powered spells, without having to crank up the opposition and kill off the weaker members of the group. This guy has 'overturned' this house rule when he GM's and now the players with magic complain when I have them take drain at full force.

The the other players have described this guy's style as 'By the Book'. How can somebody that is by the book offer the nuyen and resources to the players that he does??

I have been able to mitigate his 'damage' by not having certain contacts answer their phones (it goes to voicemail or something), this delta clinic is always locked down with nobody 'home' (this has only pissed off one person), and I've made the players take some 'lower' (but not cheap) paying runs and made them work a little harder for them. But this magic thing is causing huge problems. The players who don't have magic think the house rule is reasonable and they have used mages before also. It is the people playing mages now that are constantly questioning my GMing and mr. by the book is still jumping in to tell me how to run my game.

How can I remedy this situation???
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- FrostyNSO   Overpowered Mages and my complaining players   Aug 8 2004, 11:13 PM
- - Dice   The way we organise our gaming sessions is that ea...   Aug 8 2004, 11:39 PM
- - FrostyNSO   Having the mage take a full-force drain doesn...   Aug 8 2004, 11:51 PM
- - Glyph   You should definitely run two separate campaigns. ...   Aug 8 2004, 11:56 PM
- - FrostyNSO   We have tried the two campaign thing but it just d...   Aug 9 2004, 12:04 AM
- - shadd4d   I'd ask how the mages got this powerful. 1) Ma...   Aug 9 2004, 12:27 AM
- - Dice   QUOTE (FrostyNSO) I rarely have one of my mages ...   Aug 9 2004, 12:31 AM
- - FrostyNSO   Most of the problem is not so much the power of th...   Aug 9 2004, 12:45 AM
- - shadd4d   They're not too powerful (high force is in the...   Aug 9 2004, 01:00 AM
- - FrostyNSO   One of the problems is also that if I say ok, half...   Aug 9 2004, 01:00 AM
- - FrostyNSO   I'm going to give that vampire mage 'refle...   Aug 9 2004, 01:03 AM
- - shadd4d   I think it's a player problem than system (thi...   Aug 9 2004, 01:08 AM
- - shadd4d   QUOTE (FrostyNSO) I'm going to give that vampi...   Aug 9 2004, 01:10 AM
- - FrostyNSO   I am convinced it is a player problem now. For th...   Aug 9 2004, 01:14 AM
- - Dice   Ok, lets assume your mage has Toxic Wave at Force ...   Aug 9 2004, 01:34 AM
- - TinkerGnome   You know, personally, I have no objections to the ...   Aug 9 2004, 02:57 AM
- - Cain   <puts on nitpicker hat> Sorry Dice, but the ...   Aug 9 2004, 03:06 AM
- - RangerJoe   This is what gets me: QUOTE The machineguns and m...   Aug 9 2004, 03:36 AM
- - Dice   QUOTE (Cain) <puts on nitpicker hat> Sorry D...   Aug 9 2004, 03:54 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE And if the mage wants to actually do more th...   Aug 9 2004, 06:12 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE And if the mage wants to actually do more th...   Aug 9 2004, 06:24 AM
- - Kurukami   Ah, you mean the cultured bioware that they would ...   Aug 9 2004, 06:40 AM
- - OurTeam   FrostyNSO, you clearly have a 'people' pro...   Aug 9 2004, 06:47 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Cain) QUOTE And if the mage wants to actual...   Aug 9 2004, 09:58 AM
- - Moon-Hawk   It seems to me that the other GM is trying to make...   Aug 9 2004, 12:23 PM
- - Catsnightmare   QUOTE (FrostyNSO) These guys (before the run) inf...   Aug 9 2004, 02:05 PM
- - Dice   QUOTE (Zazen) QUOTE (Cain @ Aug 9 2004, 01:12...   Aug 9 2004, 02:07 PM
- - FrostyNSO   The lone star vehical was fine (relatively), it wa...   Aug 9 2004, 04:45 PM
- - BitBasher   Just Buy the Bug CIty Book. Buying those sourceboo...   Aug 9 2004, 04:52 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   We had this problem for a while too, some GM's...   Aug 9 2004, 05:06 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Dice) Uhhh, you compare your rolled dice ag...   Aug 9 2004, 06:37 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (BitBasher) Buying those sourcebooks is how ...   Aug 9 2004, 06:40 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (BitBasher @ Aug 9 2...   Aug 9 2004, 07:41 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Secondary markets are a weird fish in that you...   Aug 9 2004, 07:42 PM
- - the_dunner   Just one other thought on how to mess with these c...   Aug 10 2004, 07:00 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Toxic Shamans and the Toxic Wave spell are two com...   Aug 10 2004, 07:06 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I think with "underinformed shadowrunners/gan...   Aug 10 2004, 07:14 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Obviously. But given that people managed to interp...   Aug 10 2004, 07:17 PM
- - Lucyfersam   Lone Star's response to mages like this should...   Aug 10 2004, 07:28 PM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) I think with "und...   Aug 10 2004, 09:27 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   On another note, rather than forcing mages to deal...   Aug 10 2004, 09:34 PM
- - FrostyNSO   I don't want to snipe the guys or throw a bans...   Aug 10 2004, 10:27 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Could have him absorb it and throw a bigger one ba...   Aug 10 2004, 10:32 PM
- - Dax   I don't really know why you continue to screw ...   Aug 10 2004, 11:10 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   I'm just surprised that these people *trust* t...   Aug 11 2004, 12:47 AM
- - The Question Man   Geek the Mage first!!!   Aug 11 2004, 03:26 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) I mean, honestly, how many d...   Aug 11 2004, 05:53 PM
- - The White Dwarf   Just give up on the magic thing its not that overp...   Aug 11 2004, 07:41 PM
- - JaronK   Something to consider: This guy was one of your p...   Aug 11 2004, 08:47 PM
- - Lucyfersam   Delta clinics are insanely hard to find, and there...   Aug 11 2004, 09:25 PM
- - Dice   QUOTE (Lucyfersam) Also, the 5 clinics mentioned d...   Aug 11 2004, 11:41 PM
- - FrostyNSO   I'm gonna have a sit down with my players on t...   Aug 12 2004, 12:27 AM
- - Pelaka   This doesn't really add up to me. You say the ...   Aug 12 2004, 02:35 AM
- - Lucyfersam   @Dice The difference between high powered cars ...   Aug 12 2004, 05:15 AM
- - Dice   QUOTE (Lucyfersam @ Aug 12 2004, 05:15 AM) Yo...   Aug 12 2004, 03:41 PM
- - BitBasher   With the TN's for deltaware, it's "My...   Aug 12 2004, 03:51 PM


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