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GrinderTheTroll
post Aug 10 2004, 09:51 PM
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So I see a lot of folks posting this and that about professionalism, I'm sure we all have our parameters about what's professional and whats not. I am curious what you all consider professional or not and why.

I'll seen many times in movies, books and stories that sometimes someone is needed who can get the job done when none else will do, or sometimes when no one else will take it. These types go by different names: Hit Men, Mercs, Cleaners, etc., the list goes on. They each usually have some reprehensible method of style about them, I mean they are muscle-for-hire after all. Think about it, what really makes them any less professional than any other shadowrunner?

Take someone playing a Gang Member for example. From their perspective professional might simply mean "not getting caught", so they kill anyone who might have witnessed them on their mission doing something nefarious. While a Company Man or Samurai type might try intimidation or strong-arming threats as opposed to murder. I'm sure we can all agree that killing so many leaves a lot of physical evidence that a spur-induced threat does not. Similar ideas about professionalism seem to spill over into fencing loot as well.

I've noticed that many folks seem opposed to fencing ill-gotten goods which strikes me as puzzling. I mean, yeah it seems rather dumb sometimes that runners would be grabbing up items from some corp office or some dead samurai, but why not? They aren't abiding by any laws most of their SIN-less lives, so why should robbery and theft be considered unacceptable? If they fulfill their obligation to Mr. Johnson and don't make a mess of things, what does it matter if they sell of stolen property, or keep for their own use? The way I see it, the black-market operates on similar premises.

With all that being said, here rough gauge of how I rate professionalism for my runners. It's more of a mental guide, this is probably the first time I've committed it to any medium:

1) Not getting caught.
2) Always getting the job done.
3) Not leaving evidence behind.
4) Following orders and instructions.
5) Keeping cool when the pressure is on.
6) Only harming those related to the job.


So what do you consider professional and unprofessional and why?
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- GrinderTheTroll   Professionalism   Aug 10 2004, 09:51 PM
- - Dashifen   You summed it up pretty well, too. Another thing ...   Aug 10 2004, 09:55 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Aug 10 2004, 09:51 P...   Aug 10 2004, 10:03 PM
- - FrostyNSO   Here's how I define it: 1. Gets the job done...   Aug 10 2004, 10:17 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (FrostyNSO)3.  Doesn't take anythin...   Aug 10 2004, 10:25 PM
- - Skeptical Clown   I don't think there's any point to a Shado...   Aug 10 2004, 10:32 PM
- - FrostyNSO   I say you can't take anything personal because...   Aug 10 2004, 10:43 PM
- - FrostyNSO   QUOTE (Skeptical Clown @ Aug 10 2004, 05:32 P...   Aug 10 2004, 10:48 PM
- - Sepherim   Profesionalism regards attitude. All you said is c...   Aug 10 2004, 10:52 PM
- - Skeptical Clown   Corporate attitude is what I reject from Shadowrun...   Aug 10 2004, 11:21 PM
- - RangerJoe   Important to professionalism is consistancy and ru...   Aug 10 2004, 11:23 PM
- - Sepherim   Yup, it's professional, because it helps in th...   Aug 10 2004, 11:27 PM
- - Sepherim   Just remembered. It's professional to look aft...   Aug 10 2004, 11:29 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE I don't think a runner should be trying ...   Aug 10 2004, 11:35 PM
- - Siege   Ye gods, here we go again. -Siege   Aug 10 2004, 11:41 PM
- - FlakJacket   QUOTE (Skeptical Clown)The whole point of the Mr J...   Aug 11 2004, 12:13 AM
- - Skeptical Clown   QUOTE (BitBasher) How is ethicality related to any...   Aug 11 2004, 12:17 AM
- - FlakJacket   Well maybe on the executive level.   Aug 11 2004, 01:08 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Sepherim) As for stealing, it's not pro...   Aug 11 2004, 02:12 AM
- - Arethusa   Also keep in mind that whatever you do at the crim...   Aug 11 2004, 02:22 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Which brings up a good point: on certain circumsta...   Aug 11 2004, 02:46 AM
- - Bob the Ninja   True. Fire destroys all evidence.   Aug 11 2004, 02:54 AM
- - Dice   QUOTE (Bob the Ninja) True. Fire destroys all evid...   Aug 11 2004, 03:00 AM
- - Skeptical Clown   They just didn't destroy enough. You need to ...   Aug 11 2004, 03:05 AM
- - Siege   All depends on the evidence you're trying to d...   Aug 11 2004, 03:11 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Skeptical Clown) They just didn't destr...   Aug 11 2004, 03:36 AM
- - Skeptical Clown   Bigger.   Aug 11 2004, 03:58 AM
- - Arethusa   A lot of things— and a lot of potential evidence— ...   Aug 11 2004, 04:08 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Either that, or you set it off remotely so it does...   Aug 11 2004, 04:18 AM
- - Arethusa   One could do it, but that's another case of ta...   Aug 11 2004, 04:28 AM
- - Kagetenshi   That last post (and this one) is me posting during...   Aug 11 2004, 04:57 AM
- - Xirces   Just a quick thought about "professionalism...   Aug 11 2004, 11:55 AM
- - Fonitrus   I have played and GMed (GMed more than played) cam...   Aug 11 2004, 02:49 PM
- - littlesean   Having recently seen Transporter I have a new leve...   Aug 11 2004, 03:31 PM
- - Skeptical Clown   The Transporter is kind of a bad example. It sets...   Aug 11 2004, 04:19 PM
- - Xirces   The Transporter is a damn good example of what I w...   Aug 11 2004, 04:46 PM
- - BitBasher   It also makes him a piss poor professional.   Aug 11 2004, 05:01 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   A few comments... QUOTE (Sepherim)Profesionalis...   Aug 11 2004, 05:09 PM
- - Arethusa   No, the Transporter is an excellent example of the...   Aug 11 2004, 05:37 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Fonitrus)I started to disagree with that (w...   Aug 11 2004, 05:47 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Again, it all depends on what you're stealing ...   Aug 11 2004, 05:52 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Arethusa)As for stealing, it's unprofes...   Aug 11 2004, 05:57 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Also, speaking of risk: Anything that reduces the...   Aug 11 2004, 05:59 PM
- - BitBasher   I don't penalize players for additional theft ...   Aug 11 2004, 06:01 PM
- - mfb   yeah. if you're picking up every holdout and s...   Aug 11 2004, 06:15 PM
- - Black Isis   Professional, to me, means doing a job, getting it...   Aug 11 2004, 06:36 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Black Isis)Professional, to me, means doing...   Aug 11 2004, 06:57 PM
- - Connor   I'd just like to make a comment on the stealin...   Aug 11 2004, 07:22 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If a runner is to be expected to not take stuff, h...   Aug 11 2004, 07:28 PM
- - Siege   I don't object to looting as long as it doesn...   Aug 11 2004, 07:47 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Siege)I'm surprised LS can't pick u...   Aug 11 2004, 08:14 PM
- - Siege   QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm) QUOTE (Siege)I'm s...   Aug 11 2004, 09:59 PM
- - Sepherim   QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)A few comments... So you...   Aug 12 2004, 01:48 AM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Sepherim)QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)A few comme...   Aug 12 2004, 05:11 PM
- - Sepherim   Being professional ain't a switch. It's no...   Aug 13 2004, 01:01 AM
- - Voran   I figure it also varies based on the skills and fo...   Aug 14 2004, 04:02 AM
- - Skeptical Clown   Corporate isn't a simple concept, but in my mi...   Aug 14 2004, 05:35 AM
- - Glyph   I have always thought that professionalism is more...   Aug 14 2004, 07:29 AM
- - Arethusa   QUOTE (Glyph)Look at the cover art. Look at the in...   Aug 14 2004, 02:12 PM
- - Skeptical Clown   Then why are they playing the game?   Aug 14 2004, 02:43 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE And, yes, you're right; Shadowrun, as FA...   Aug 14 2004, 06:21 PM
- - Arethusa   I wasn't clear. More specifically, while at l...   Aug 14 2004, 07:38 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But that doesn't mean that runners can't b...   Aug 14 2004, 07:49 PM
- - BitBasher   Ahhh, okay HELL NO. The shadowrunner endorsements ...   Aug 14 2004, 07:51 PM
- - Skeptical Clown   Endorsements from REAL shadowrunners is, no doubt,...   Aug 14 2004, 08:34 PM
- - FrostyNSO   Runner : I pick up the phone, "Who is it?...   Aug 14 2004, 08:57 PM
- - Bigity   QUOTE (BitBasher) That's probably the dumbest ...   Aug 14 2004, 09:31 PM
- - Siege   Hey, I happened to like the "Kid Stealth...   Aug 14 2004, 10:08 PM


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