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SR3, Astral Combat Tests, p 174
"Use the melee combat rules (p 120) to make attacks. The character may attack using an armed combat skill if armed with a weapon focus, Unarmed Combat if not, or Sorcery in place of either skill." "Anyone with Magic 1 can use the skill while fighting on the astral anyway. If anything, that should be split into a new skill and to this day I honestly don't know why it's covered by Sorcery." This discussion will concentrate on the issue presented posing that Sorcery is, not only a little confusing of a choice, but also inconsistent with the rest of the rules when used as an Astral Melee substitute. There are two questions, at least, that should be asked: 1) Should Sorcery even exist as an Astral Melee variant skill at all? Why/Why not? 2) Should Astral Melee have a seperate listing of the mundane melee skills?(perhaps like B/R skills) Why/Why not? |
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Stumps Astral Melee & Sorcery Oct 29 2004, 07:58 AM
OurTeam It seems strange to me to use Sorcery Skill for As... Oct 29 2004, 08:15 AM
Jason Farlander I think of using sorcery for astral combat as bein... Oct 29 2004, 08:38 AM
OurTeam I like that, Jason. That helps explain why an allo... Oct 29 2004, 08:39 AM
Stumps Yes it would explain that.
So it makes good sense... Oct 29 2004, 10:06 AM
Kagetenshi That idea breaks down somewhat when you realize th... Oct 29 2004, 11:59 AM
Stumps I don't think I'm getting you clearly. Co... Oct 29 2004, 12:07 PM
Kagetenshi If you're creating an attack on-the-fly throug... Oct 29 2004, 12:11 PM
Stumps ouch. I think that might have been left out becau... Oct 29 2004, 12:17 PM
GoldenAri Or it would make him actually use a combat skill t... Oct 29 2004, 12:25 PM
Stumps under that logic, we'd have to make deckers ta... Oct 29 2004, 12:28 PM
Stumps I do think that if an alternative is posed, it wou... Oct 29 2004, 12:31 PM
GoldenAri We do. He takes combat program, which he must the... Oct 29 2004, 12:33 PM
Stumps QUOTE But like any other use of sorcery it should ... Oct 29 2004, 12:35 PM
Stumps QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 12:33 PM) We ... Oct 29 2004, 12:36 PM
Shockwave_IIc Howabout as a drain code for it. The amount of So... Oct 29 2004, 12:37 PM
Stumps Drain is a bad idea.
Why? because it's not uni... Oct 29 2004, 12:39 PM
Stumps ok...firstly.
I should correct the impression I... Oct 29 2004, 12:45 PM
GoldenAri And who else other than mages uses sorcery for fig... Oct 29 2004, 12:55 PM
Doctor Funkenstein Astral Combat (Willpower)
The Astral Combat skill... Oct 29 2004, 02:20 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Stumps) you can't cast spells in the As... Oct 29 2004, 03:01 PM
Brazila I don't think drain is a good idea for astral ... Oct 29 2004, 03:13 PM
Erebus QUOTE (Stumps)
There are two questions, at least,... Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM
Kagetenshi It's not just spells, summoning causes drain t... Oct 29 2004, 03:55 PM
GoldenAri Actually I do like that fighting with your magic r... Oct 29 2004, 04:14 PM
LinaInverse As some have pointed out, it's just flat out i... Oct 29 2004, 04:17 PM
Jason Farlander Eh, I guess the drain thing just doesnt bother me ... Oct 29 2004, 04:18 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (LinaInverse) As some have pointed out, it... Oct 29 2004, 04:22 PM
Erebus QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (LinaInverse @ Oct 2... Oct 29 2004, 04:27 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Oct 29 2004, 11:22 AM) Wh... Oct 29 2004, 04:32 PM
GoldenAri QUOTE Pretend explanation I just made up: You aren... Oct 29 2004, 04:39 PM
Erebus QUOTE (GoldenAri)
QUOTE
Dual-Natured creatures a... Oct 29 2004, 04:41 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Jason Farlander) Because those things have ... Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM
GoldenAri I'm not saying he can't cast spells at him... Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM
Erebus QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 11:43 AM) I... Oct 29 2004, 04:49 PM
GoldenAri That sounds more like a metamagical effect, and I... Oct 29 2004, 04:56 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (GoldenAri) QUOTE Pretend explanation I just... Oct 29 2004, 04:57 PM
Erebus QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 11:56 AM) Tha... Oct 29 2004, 05:03 PM
GoldenAri If he was still astrally projecting then yes, I... Oct 29 2004, 05:13 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Erebus) mage's who have no physical com... Oct 29 2004, 05:15 PM
Erebus QUOTE (GoldenAri) Would you say then that I could ... Oct 29 2004, 05:24 PM
Kanada Ten QUOTE Physicallity or even physical ability have a... Oct 29 2004, 08:48 PM
kevyn668 I may be coming on late here but I don't like ... Oct 30 2004, 02:16 AM
Doctor Funkenstein Only if he wants to excel at astral combat. You... Oct 30 2004, 02:53 AM
kevyn668 I see your point. Unfortunately I suffer from a ra... Oct 30 2004, 03:04 AM
toturi QUOTE (kevyn668) I see your point. Unfortunately I... Oct 30 2004, 03:08 AM
Doctor Funkenstein Again, you realize that you don't need Astral ... Oct 30 2004, 03:10 AM
kevyn668 QUOTE You are suffering from the Maximus Pointus E... Oct 30 2004, 03:18 AM
Stumps I like Doc's idea. I have since he mentioned ... Oct 30 2004, 05:24 AM
Kagetenshi SR3 Page 44. There's an explicitly defined ast... Oct 30 2004, 05:27 AM
Stumps I got that, thanks for the reference...my question... Oct 30 2004, 05:59 AM
Stumps Actually...
SR3, p44, Astral Combat Pool:"..... Oct 30 2004, 06:06 AM
Herald of Verjigorm The first refers to astral projection. Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
Jason Farlander No its not. Astral combat pool is used for projec... Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
Stumps But the wierd part isn't WHO uses WHICH pool.
... Oct 30 2004, 08:00 AM
Jason Farlander Youre really just making it more complicated than ... Oct 30 2004, 08:11 AM
Stumps Ah, further reading reveals that you are correct a... Oct 30 2004, 09:00 AM
Stumps Still on the table however is the Sorcery option f... Oct 30 2004, 09:03 AM
Jason Farlander Well, I remain unswayed in my opinion that the sys... Oct 30 2004, 09:28 AM
Stumps I think the issue that he has with it is that it m... Oct 30 2004, 10:47 AM
Doctor Funkenstein Actually I dislike it because it doesn't make ... Oct 30 2004, 04:44 PM
Stumps That is true in it's own right, but I really d... Oct 30 2004, 04:51 PM
Doctor Funkenstein Computers comes close, but at least it's consi... Oct 30 2004, 04:54 PM
Stumps Yep...so I think I'd agree that Astral Combat ... Oct 30 2004, 05:16 PM![]() ![]() |
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