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post Feb 17 2005, 01:31 AM
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So, my group and I are discussing the exact rules on armour layering. Particularly, what happens when you have mroe than two items of armour that layer. The layering rules in sr3 say this isn't really possible, but they were written before Form Fitting Armour became every munchkin's (and discrete types, but usually just munchkins) wetter-than-normal dream.

SR3 says you take the rating of the highest rated piece of armour and add it to half the second highest piece. If you are wearing, say, a lined coat and an armour vest with plates, this means you get 4|3 + (4|2)/2, or 6|4. But the rules do NOT say "add it to half all the other pieces", as might happen when you add a form fitting full body suit to the above. 4|3 + (4|2)/2 + (4|1)/2 == 8/4.

I think it's from a realism standpoint reasonable that in a few select situations such as this one, a character can wear three layers of armour, but from a game-balance standpoint that means characters can have insane amounts of armour, way more than security and military armour can provide, which just doesn't make any sense. A character with 9 quickness (Not as uncommon as it might sound, I have a munchkin infestation at times) can get a secure jacket, armour vest with plates AND a form fitting full suit for a whopping 9/4, and add forearm guards on top of that. Then they could grab a riot shield...

So, what do people use? What combos past two layers, if any, do people usually allow? How do people deal with players who can start the game and say "meh, security armour sucks, my stuff's better", and ignore anything short of full auto fire with their dermal sheathes and Leopard-III style armour?

Implementing the proposed restriction means EVERYONE winds up wearing a secure jacket and form fitting armour, too. No variety whatsoever.

Thoughts?
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- Narmio   Armour Layering   Feb 17 2005, 01:31 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   As I see it, form fitting covers the entire body, ...   Feb 17 2005, 01:42 AM
- - Rieal82   on the topic or stacking armor if i've got qui...   Feb 17 2005, 02:29 AM
- - toturi   From my reading and interpretation, I take the gyr...   Feb 17 2005, 02:39 AM
- - Smiley   If you read the blurb in CC, a whole suit of FFBA ...   Feb 17 2005, 03:40 AM
- - Rieal82   QUOTE (Narmio) Implementing the proposed restricti...   Feb 17 2005, 04:06 AM
- - The White Dwarf   Dont open this can of worms please its been done 1...   Feb 17 2005, 06:32 AM
- - Edward   The way I normally set up my armor for a heavy sit...   Feb 17 2005, 11:01 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Smiley) If you read the blurb in CC, a whol...   Feb 17 2005, 01:57 PM
- - Edward   Personally I come have a hard time describing a ho...   Feb 17 2005, 02:09 PM
- - toturi   It is not whether a Called Shot to those locations...   Feb 17 2005, 02:16 PM
- - Apathy   Okay: let's make the situation even uglier: L...   Feb 17 2005, 02:36 PM
- - Nikoli   I would rule for teh second example. -12 then use...   Feb 17 2005, 03:18 PM
- - toturi   I'd say the armour reduces the damage before t...   Feb 17 2005, 03:38 PM
- - Edward   because the spirit is in you and the bullet is gho...   Feb 17 2005, 05:28 PM
- - Nikoli   That was basically my feeling Edward. Logical? N...   Feb 17 2005, 05:32 PM
- - BitBasher   I'd allow the armor but the armor also degrade...   Feb 17 2005, 06:18 PM
- - Sokei   I had a group get rather upset because of armor de...   Feb 17 2005, 09:59 PM
- - BitBasher   I think the degradation rules are great, they give...   Feb 17 2005, 10:51 PM
- - Necro Tech   Answer I received from Shadowfaq and Rob was you c...   Feb 18 2005, 01:05 AM
- - Fortune   Technically you should only need a Quickness of 6 ...   Feb 18 2005, 01:20 AM
- - Nalanthi   Outdated, post follows. The cannon companion err...   Feb 18 2005, 01:24 AM
- - Necro Tech   Your thinking combat pool. Quickness is every poin...   Feb 18 2005, 01:24 AM
- - Necro Tech   Check the errata about form fit.   Feb 18 2005, 01:26 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Edward)Long coat (secure, Mortimer whatever...   Feb 18 2005, 02:02 AM
- - hahnsoo   Remember that forearm guards only add 1 impact for...   Feb 18 2005, 02:06 AM
- - Edward   QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (Edward)Long coat (secure, Morti...   Feb 18 2005, 02:34 AM
- - mfb   the books don't limit you to two layers, thoug...   Feb 18 2005, 03:39 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (mfb) the books don't limit you to two l...   Feb 18 2005, 04:16 AM
- - toturi   That is no-doubt by the book. But the problem lies...   Feb 18 2005, 04:19 AM
- - mfb   hm. that's actually dumb enough that i'd n...   Feb 18 2005, 04:36 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 18 2005, 12:36 PM) that...   Feb 18 2005, 05:27 AM
- - The White Dwarf   Be sure you guys are checking for quickness relate...   Feb 18 2005, 07:24 AM
- - Rolemodel   Re: Two armors. Agreed, and absolutely. There ar...   Feb 18 2005, 01:13 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE (The White Dwarf) Be sure you guys are check...   Feb 18 2005, 08:10 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Personally i allow as many layers as you want, but...   Feb 18 2005, 10:48 PM
- - mfb   i do the same.   Feb 18 2005, 10:50 PM
- - Narmio   Hmm, lots of different viewpoints, and apologies t...   Feb 19 2005, 12:28 AM
- - BitBasher   If I remember correctly it specifically says that ...   Feb 19 2005, 12:40 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (BitBasher @ Feb 19 2005, 08:40 AM) If ...   Feb 19 2005, 12:43 AM
- - BitBasher   Whether or not armor degrades is determinde by the...   Feb 19 2005, 12:57 AM
- - Fester   I have been toying with the idea of having every f...   Feb 19 2005, 12:59 AM
- - Fester   nm - moving it to its own thread   Feb 19 2005, 01:00 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Shockwave_IIc) Personally i allow as many l...   Feb 19 2005, 02:25 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Narmio) If I don't allow that, then sec...   Feb 19 2005, 03:40 AM
- - Da9iel   Covered on a previous thread--the armor has its ef...   Feb 19 2005, 03:59 AM
- - John Campbell   Don't even get me started on the encumbrance r...   Feb 19 2005, 04:44 AM
- - Da9iel   Hence the "if enforced." I know they are...   Feb 20 2005, 02:23 AM
- - Zeel De Mort   QUOTE (BitBasher) If I remember correctly it speci...   Feb 20 2005, 02:38 AM
- - Shockwave_IIc   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Shockwave_IIc @ Feb 19...   Feb 20 2005, 02:45 AM
- - Fortune   It's cool. I just thought I was missing someth...   Feb 20 2005, 03:49 AM


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