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The concept of PCs using Karma to increase Essense.
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blakkie
post Apr 13 2005, 10:04 PM
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PLEASE READ AND CONSIDER FOR AT LEAST 5 MINUTES BEFORE VOTING.

EDIT: Revised rough sketch of the idea, in point form (and assuming that ALL attributes really are capped hard & fast at 6).

- An ultra-rich reseach benefactor, looking for a way to reduce this polution from Cyberzombies or whatever, funded a project where a million enlightened monkeys sitting in million shaman lodges came up with a new theory of Essense.

- This Essense is now understood to be a mysterious energy generated by the body that allows it to deal with sapping away nerveous system energy into the MMI of cyberware.

- The theory allows the development of a technique that allows you to bolster Essense. TRIDs of this quickly replace Power-Yoga at the top of bestsellers lists.

- The International Unit for measuring Essense changes to double of what it was. So now metahumans all start with 3 because the dial can only go to, you know, 6.

- The IU value has changed, but Magic is still influenced by old standards. So you have to double the Essense loss to calculated how much Magic is lost. Now up to 0.5 Essense lost means 1 point of Magic. Between 0.5 and 1.0 Essense loss means 2 points of Magic.

- The Essense costs of base cyber gets seriously adjust to account for these new units of measure (as part of the rehash of Essense costs in SR4 make them roughly 60% of SR3 prices).

- Manufacturing advancements drives the cost of Cyberware down drasticly. Like what was mentioned before reduce costs across the board for base cyber. Likely have Alpha somewhat lower than now, Beta about the same as current, and Delta costs higher, so increase the multipliers somewhat to fit that.

- The new theory's influence spreads to medical fields. The new knowledge lets you pull out cyber and return the Essense, or make it available to new cyberware, a lot more easily. But still they aren't able to return lost Magic.

- Not really part of this, but rethink the Essense costs of a number of the items. It is assumed that the effects of each cyber are getting a redo anyway to fit the new dice system.

NOTE: I do see one problem with this, as we are shrinking the values used we run into more round-off issues when calculating the essense costs for higher grades of 'ware. That issues could be addressed by having essense go from 6 to 12, increasing Essense costs 20% and keeping magic loss as current, but that has it's own issues of perceptions.
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- blakkie   What if PCs could use Karma to increase Essense?   Apr 13 2005, 10:04 PM
- - Solstice   I think this would introduce some serious balance ...   Apr 13 2005, 10:12 PM
- - Ecclesiastes   Why do I need to take 5 minutes to think about if ...   Apr 13 2005, 10:12 PM
- - DragginSPADE   Hmmm... okay, I've considered it. No, no, and...   Apr 13 2005, 10:18 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Mmm, crack. Crack good. Buyable Essence bad. ~J   Apr 13 2005, 10:18 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Solstice @ Apr 13 2005, 04:12 PM) I th...   Apr 13 2005, 10:21 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 13 2005, 05:21 PM) QUOTE...   Apr 13 2005, 10:26 PM
- - Vuron   QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (Solstice @ Apr 13 2005...   Apr 13 2005, 10:32 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Solstice) ...I personally don't see man...   Apr 13 2005, 10:35 PM
- - Solstice   Are you proposing this for SR4? It might be a tad ...   Apr 13 2005, 10:41 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Vuron) QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 13 2005, 0...   Apr 13 2005, 10:44 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (Solstice @ Apr 13 2005...   Apr 13 2005, 10:44 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Solstice) Are you proposing this for SR4? I...   Apr 13 2005, 10:47 PM
- - Dawnshadow   There isn't a problem with balance between cyb...   Apr 13 2005, 10:48 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE QUOTE You DON'T see one in SR3, but you...   Apr 13 2005, 10:50 PM
- - hermit   Maybe, if you could fill in essence "holes...   Apr 13 2005, 10:54 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE QUOTE You DON'T see one...   Apr 13 2005, 10:55 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Now... MAGES.. there's anot...   Apr 13 2005, 11:01 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Solstice) Then why is this relevant? Wh...   Apr 13 2005, 11:02 PM
- - mfb   meh. under SR3, this idea is crackpipelicious. und...   Apr 13 2005, 11:14 PM
- - Dawnshadow   And I did point out things that the non-awakened c...   Apr 13 2005, 11:19 PM
- - Sharaloth   QUOTE (Dawnshadow)I mean.. who would YOU put again...   Apr 13 2005, 11:41 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Yes you are Sharaloth... you just made it a 'm...   Apr 13 2005, 11:56 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) And I did point out things that...   Apr 14 2005, 12:35 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Blaming this idea on crack is an insult to crack.   Apr 14 2005, 12:39 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (mfb) meh. under SR3, this idea is crackpipe...   Apr 14 2005, 12:43 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   I'm not sure why people are having such a knee...   Apr 14 2005, 01:05 AM
- - Cain   The problem is game balance. I've tried this ...   Apr 14 2005, 01:11 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Cain) The problem is game balance. I'v...   Apr 14 2005, 01:36 AM
- - Fortune   As far as we know, under SR4 rules, no Attribute w...   Apr 14 2005, 01:41 AM
- - sapphire_wyvern   Well, while we're talking about cyber balance....   Apr 14 2005, 01:59 AM
- - blakkie   Ya, with another throttle besides that spread ou...   Apr 14 2005, 02:16 AM
- - Fortune   Most likely because Essence isn't a usable Att...   Apr 14 2005, 03:01 AM
- - Grinder   I want it! Adepts can buy power points, why ca...   Apr 14 2005, 08:28 AM
- - NightHaunter   No way. Picture this. Mage wires 3, smartlink, Mus...   Apr 14 2005, 11:43 AM
- - RunnerPaul   Even if we ignore the game balance issues pointed ...   Apr 14 2005, 11:55 AM
- - Grinder   Blablabla in-game-logic blabla More power to t...   Apr 14 2005, 12:38 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (NightHaunter @ Apr 14 2005, 05:43 AM) ...   Apr 14 2005, 01:11 PM
- - Botch   I seem to be only one of two who answered, yes. T...   Apr 14 2005, 01:14 PM
- - nezumi   I voted for the crack. I can certainly see it bei...   Apr 14 2005, 02:22 PM
- - Ellery   How much karma do your mundanes have to spend, any...   Apr 14 2005, 03:09 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Botch @ Apr 14 2005, 07:14 AM) I seem ...   Apr 14 2005, 03:45 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Fortune) If you really have a problem with ...   Apr 14 2005, 03:48 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 13...   Apr 14 2005, 03:51 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Ellery) If you don't want to have any d...   Apr 14 2005, 03:53 PM
- - Vuron   Well I think certain cyberware that should be extr...   Apr 14 2005, 04:05 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Ellery) How much karma do your mundanes hav...   Apr 14 2005, 05:33 PM
- - Dawnshadow   If you're playing a game where the mundanes ha...   Apr 14 2005, 05:57 PM
- - nezumi   As I said, these are fairly young characters. Wel...   Apr 14 2005, 08:44 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Since when is someone else having a skill a reason...   Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM
- - Omega Skip   For a long time, I thought that the essence mechan...   Apr 14 2005, 09:54 PM
- - Vuron   QUOTE (Omega Skip) So where I'm at right now i...   Apr 14 2005, 10:00 PM
- - Ellery   QUOTE you can initiate three times with the same a...   Apr 15 2005, 01:04 AM
- - blakkie   Ellery, it's about the options. Mages can go ...   Apr 15 2005, 01:09 AM
- - Fortune   Mages diversify at the expense of improving their ...   Apr 15 2005, 01:18 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Fortune) Mages diversify at the expense of ...   Apr 15 2005, 01:27 AM
- - Fortune   Cyber just makes them better at what they do. It...   Apr 15 2005, 01:32 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 14 2005, 07:32 PM) Cyber...   Apr 15 2005, 01:33 AM
- - Fortune   I have no problem with them getting better cyber/b...   Apr 15 2005, 01:37 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 15 2005, 11:33 AM) And w...   Apr 15 2005, 01:41 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 14 2005, 07:37 PM) I hav...   Apr 15 2005, 01:44 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 15 2005,...   Apr 15 2005, 01:47 AM
- - Sren   Huh? A lot of people have a real problem with over...   Apr 15 2005, 02:38 AM
- - Bandwidthoracle   QUOTE (Omega Skip) A sanity rating would be kind o...   Apr 15 2005, 06:44 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (blakkie) Say, lets make it prohibitly expen...   Apr 15 2005, 06:53 AM
- - Ellery   QUOTE So at this point he's more intelegent th...   Apr 15 2005, 09:17 AM
- - Critias   lol omg roflmao only stupid people r sane !...   Apr 15 2005, 09:34 AM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Fortune) In over 15 years of GMing Shadowru...   Apr 15 2005, 09:59 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE That's their job, after all. Satisfy the...   Apr 15 2005, 10:07 AM
- - Grinder   I know i'm belonging to a minority. Guess i ha...   Apr 15 2005, 11:09 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Critias) QUOTE That's their job, after ...   Apr 15 2005, 01:35 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Since when is someone else havi...   Apr 15 2005, 03:09 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Personally, I think they deserve to stagnate if th...   Apr 15 2005, 03:20 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Grinder) But i as a player was always frust...   Apr 15 2005, 03:20 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Personally, I think they deserv...   Apr 15 2005, 03:27 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Dawnshadow @ Apr 16 20...   Apr 15 2005, 03:50 PM
- - Dawnshadow   If they don't like playing a character that ca...   Apr 15 2005, 04:13 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 16 2005, 01:50 AM) After...   Apr 15 2005, 04:26 PM
- - Vuron   I think what I've tended to see as the core ar...   Apr 15 2005, 04:28 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 15 2005, 11:26 AM) Note ...   Apr 15 2005, 05:21 PM
- - Fortune   Read the edit I made while you were posting. I al...   Apr 15 2005, 05:32 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Actually.. what I think most people are saying, is...   Apr 15 2005, 05:36 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   You mean the part I quoted about knowledge skills?...   Apr 15 2005, 05:36 PM
- - Fortune   More edit above. QUOTE You mean the part I quoted...   Apr 15 2005, 05:40 PM
- - Eldritch   I thought about it for a couple days before I vote...   Apr 15 2005, 05:55 PM
- - Dawnshadow   To make Street Sams have a progression of power th...   Apr 15 2005, 06:45 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 15 2005, 12:32 PM) So, y...   Apr 15 2005, 06:54 PM
- - Critias   Feel free to make a "cool" guy that...   Apr 15 2005, 06:58 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 15 2005, 12:58 PM) Feel ...   Apr 15 2005, 11:07 PM
- - Cynic project   With the rules in M&M and few changes one can ...   Apr 15 2005, 11:56 PM
- - Dawnshadow   QUOTE (blakkie) But wait, where is this balance is...   Apr 16 2005, 12:19 AM
- - warrior_allanon   QUOTE Making Street Sams even MORE potent puts the...   Apr 16 2005, 12:21 AM
- - Dawnshadow   Drop a tac nuke on them and you've just commit...   Apr 16 2005, 12:33 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE Note that I never once said ...   Apr 16 2005, 01:52 AM
- - Dawnshadow   Hehe... other than the swimming, my shaman-adept h...   Apr 16 2005, 02:01 AM
- - Sharaloth   Not to throw in a repeat of a discussion in anothe...   Apr 16 2005, 02:26 AM
- - Fortune   Eyeless Blond: You do seem to gloss over some of t...   Apr 16 2005, 02:38 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 15 20...   Apr 16 2005, 02:39 AM
- - Ellery   It sounds to me like the argument is that street s...   Apr 16 2005, 02:45 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   I don't think buying back essence is such a ba...   Apr 16 2005, 04:03 AM
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