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If you pay 30 points for Magic, you can create a Magician Adept.

If you purchase 6 points of Magic, then you get 36 (6*6) spellpoints to buy spells for.

If you buy this power with a Talisman Geas you pay only 4,5 points.

Now you have a magician, who can both conjure, use sorcery and has 1,5 powerpoints left to buy other adept powers.

You also have more initial spellpoints to buy spells with, than a full mage.

The price you pay is inability to astral project, and you have to chose between Power or Metamagic at initiations, you can't get both like other initiates.

Saving the 1,5 powerpoints and initiating three times, and taking the Improved Initiative lvl 3, with another Taliman Geas costs you 3,75 points.

You now have a good wizard with +6 reaction and +3d6 Initiative dice.

What do you think? - Balanced or IMBA?
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- weblife   Magician Adept?   Apr 26 2005, 06:58 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (weblife)The price you pay is inability to a...   Apr 26 2005, 07:14 AM
- - weblife   What?? You do not think the Talisman Geasa are th...   Apr 26 2005, 07:28 AM
- - Nemo   The drawback is, that if you loose a magic Point, ...   Apr 26 2005, 08:07 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (weblife) What?? You do not think the Talis...   Apr 26 2005, 08:15 AM
- - weblife   QUOTE (Nemo) The drawback is, that if you loose a ...   Apr 26 2005, 08:17 AM
- - amadeus   sorry noob to the forums... IMBA? what's that...   Apr 26 2005, 08:18 AM
- - weblife   IMBA = Imbalanced, usually in the context where so...   Apr 26 2005, 09:02 AM
- - Dawnshadow   Lots less powerful then a mage for spellcasting --...   Apr 26 2005, 11:21 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Lots less powerful then a mage ...   Apr 26 2005, 01:13 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Oops.. almost always lower spell pool. Same spell ...   Apr 26 2005, 01:18 PM
- - Cain   Unless my math is off, initiating 3 times is going...   Apr 26 2005, 06:35 PM
- - Apathy   [edit-wrong thread]   Apr 26 2005, 08:06 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 26 2005, 12:35 PM) Unless m...   Apr 26 2005, 08:45 PM
- - The Question   Sorry, can't see the point in this at all. I ...   Apr 26 2005, 08:55 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (The Question) Sorry, can't see the poin...   Apr 26 2005, 10:04 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (toturi)I can. As a Magician Adept without A...   Apr 27 2005, 01:40 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) GM opinions: Improved Ability (...   Apr 27 2005, 01:53 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (The Question) Huh? Thats an academical poi...   Apr 27 2005, 02:02 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (toturi)Because bonding a Weapon Foci using ...   Apr 27 2005, 03:57 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (The Question) QUOTE (toturi)Because bonding...   Apr 27 2005, 04:28 PM
- - The Question   Given the previously taken example of taking six p...   Apr 27 2005, 04:33 PM
- - Edward   There are plenty of reasons why you may have initi...   Apr 27 2005, 04:56 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Edward) There are plenty of reasons why you...   Apr 27 2005, 05:04 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE the default explanation would be ex wage mag...   Apr 27 2005, 05:10 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Apathy) QUOTE the default explanation would...   Apr 27 2005, 05:16 PM
- - Apathy   I don't have my books handy here at work. When...   Apr 27 2005, 05:26 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Apathy) I don't have my books handy her...   Apr 27 2005, 05:42 PM
- - Edward   The points rased go together nicely. The annoyanc...   Apr 27 2005, 05:44 PM
- - The Question   Destroying a Thesis causes you to lose a Magic poi...   Apr 27 2005, 05:47 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Edward @ Apr 27 2005, 12:44 PM) The se...   Apr 27 2005, 05:55 PM
- - Nikoli   So, your thrid initiation you alter your signature...   Apr 27 2005, 05:57 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Nikoli) So, your thrid initiation you alter...   Apr 27 2005, 06:00 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Apr 27 2005, 01:00 PM) QUOTE...   Apr 27 2005, 06:05 PM
- - Nikoli   How do you think it changes your signature? That...   Apr 27 2005, 06:40 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Nikoli)How do you think it changes your sig...   Apr 27 2005, 06:49 PM
- - hahnsoo   You don't get "links" to your signat...   Apr 27 2005, 07:15 PM
- - Nikoli   Well, there's my nugget of knowledge for the d...   Apr 27 2005, 07:21 PM
- - Cain   Don't forget that joining a Magical Group cost...   Apr 27 2005, 08:54 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   Magicians- way's are pretty easy to balance. ...   Apr 28 2005, 05:02 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0 @ Apr 28 2005, 12:02...   Apr 28 2005, 05:09 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (hahnsoo) Of course, this is augmented by t...   Apr 28 2005, 05:34 AM
- - Mortax   Sorcery adepts can't astrally percive, but the...   Apr 28 2005, 05:51 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Mortax) Sorcery adepts can't astrally p...   Apr 28 2005, 05:58 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   which sort of explains his lack of magical power i...   Apr 28 2005, 06:56 AM
- - weblife   QUOTE 1) don't allow pre-game initiation. nast...   Apr 28 2005, 08:20 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (weblife @ Apr 28 2005, 03:20 AM) In co...   Apr 28 2005, 08:34 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (weblife) 3. One Magic Point (= 1 Power Po...   Apr 28 2005, 08:36 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) Still doesn't make a...   Apr 28 2005, 08:40 AM
- - Fortune   As for MW Adepts and Initiation, I treat them as I...   Apr 28 2005, 08:47 AM
- - weblife   Alas, you are correct. The FAQ does state that its...   Apr 28 2005, 08:59 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (weblife @ Apr 28 2005, 03:59 AM) Alas,...   Apr 28 2005, 09:04 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (weblife) Alas, you are correct. The FAQ doe...   Apr 28 2005, 09:10 AM
- - weblife   Masking is not as important. The perciever needs t...   Apr 28 2005, 09:12 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (weblife) Masking is not as important. The p...   Apr 28 2005, 09:16 AM
- - weblife   Karma Average 12 11 11 12 12 13 14 14 15 16 The a...   Apr 28 2005, 09:44 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   If the MW takes just one point for spell casting, ...   Apr 28 2005, 10:16 AM
- - hahnsoo   It's not a "class". You're eith...   Apr 28 2005, 10:26 AM
- - weblife   QUOTE (hahnsoo) It's not a "class". ...   Apr 28 2005, 10:58 AM
- - audun   Exactly why is it that MW adepts don't use the...   Apr 28 2005, 11:45 AM
- - weblife   QUOTE (audun) Exactly why is it that MW adepts don...   Apr 28 2005, 11:56 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (audun) Exactly why is it that MW adepts don...   Apr 28 2005, 12:15 PM
- - audun   QUOTE (toturi)When you initiate, you gain a point ...   Apr 28 2005, 12:24 PM
- - toturi   If the sentence was removed, then the adept would ...   Apr 28 2005, 12:46 PM
- - Fortune   I can see no logical reason why a MW Adept does no...   Apr 28 2005, 01:01 PM
- - weblife   QUOTE (toturi) If the sentence was removed, then t...   Apr 28 2005, 01:13 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (weblife) But I have yet to hear any real ar...   Apr 28 2005, 03:19 PM
- - The Question   CODE Initiate Grade   1    2 ...   Apr 28 2005, 03:32 PM
- - weblife   QUOTE (toturi) QUOTE (weblife @ Apr 28 2005, ...   Apr 28 2005, 08:12 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (weblife) This is because the WW Adept can g...   Apr 28 2005, 08:28 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (weblife) I think you are confusing a few th...   Apr 29 2005, 12:33 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (weblife) What Adept Power or combination ...   Apr 29 2005, 04:01 AM
- - Dawnshadow   One power point vs One metamagic. Personally, I d...   Apr 29 2005, 02:03 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   Sorry, my point was supposed to be more on how on ...   Apr 30 2005, 04:18 AM
- - weblife   Fistandantilus, it sounds like you are used to a l...   Apr 30 2005, 03:01 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (weblife)Atleast we all seem to agree that o...   Apr 30 2005, 03:58 PM
- - Dawnshadow   The Question: According to the FAQ ruling.. No, he...   Apr 30 2005, 04:07 PM
- - The Question   But the Magicians Way Adept still increases his Ma...   Apr 30 2005, 05:49 PM
- - Dawnshadow   ....Huh? His magic rating operates like a normal ...   Apr 30 2005, 06:18 PM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) ....Huh? His magic rating oper...   Apr 30 2005, 06:55 PM
- - Sharaloth   Question, I'm not entirely sure what you'r...   Apr 30 2005, 07:15 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (The Question @ Apr 30 2005, 01:55 PM) ...   Apr 30 2005, 08:16 PM
- - The Question   After re-reading MitS, I have to agree with Sharal...   May 1 2005, 12:08 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (weblife) Fistandantilus, it sounds like you...   May 1 2005, 03:37 AM
- - The Question   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) If you're playing a ...   May 1 2005, 07:35 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   yes. The way I run it at least, an adpet's po...   May 1 2005, 10:47 AM
- - The Question   And THEN do you apply the Power Point or Metamagic...   May 1 2005, 01:55 PM
- - Cain   I wouldn't. Look, the "effective...   May 1 2005, 06:39 PM
- - The Question   Your right Cain, I got so confused by this whole t...   May 1 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Dawnshadow   How is halving the benefits of initiation fair? T...   May 1 2005, 08:46 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (The Question) Your right Cain, I got so con...   May 2 2005, 06:54 AM
- - The Question   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (The Question @ May 2 2...   May 2 2005, 11:14 AM
- - Fortune   The way I see it, there are three options. The f...   May 2 2005, 01:09 PM
- - Apathy   I lean toward agreeing with fistandantilus. If you...   May 2 2005, 02:24 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Apathy.. they will ALWAYS be less then an equivale...   May 2 2005, 02:43 PM
- - audun   QUOTE (Apathy)If you allow MW adepts to get exactl...   May 2 2005, 02:50 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE MW adepts are penalized for their flexibilit...   May 2 2005, 04:26 PM
- - Dawnshadow   In other words, you're considering Magician...   May 2 2005, 04:52 PM
- - Apathy   That sounds like an argument that all adepts, not ...   May 2 2005, 05:25 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Yep. Playing one with standard initiation, one oth...   May 2 2005, 05:42 PM
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