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post May 30 2005, 06:53 AM
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Hi all, I was just wondering what everyone thought was the weakest/most flawed part of char. gen? Wether it is unrealistic, clunky, makes no sense, etc...

For me, the big problem I have is the Contact system. This is absolutely horrible and makes no sense in a realistic setting. Out of everything they may change in SR4 I hope, hope, hope it is this.

200,000 :nuyen: for a friend?

starting with only 2 level 1 contacts?

What world did the game designers live in when they thought this up?

By this standard, me, a normal guy in his twenties would have to have 1,000,000+ :nuyen: just in contacts starting out, just to cover my friends for life. to cover all my friends from high school and college that I have right now.

Anyone and everyone knows more then two people casually.

How socially retarded to they imagine these Shadowrunner's to be?

My girlfriend and I have been going out for three years now, we will probably get married soon, I consider her a "friend for life" but I didn't spend $200,000 to "get her". She is works in finances at a multinational bank, so she would be considered a "contact". I have a friend that I have knowen since high-school who I hang out with all the time who is a bouncer, again a "contact" and also a "friend for life" but no, I didn't spend $200,000 "gaining his friendship" ether.

That's not including other friends, buddies from work, and people I know and family. My brother does computer networking and security (how much does useful non-dependant family cost in shadowrun?)

Anyways, contacts in shadowrun needs major work. At this time I use a tottally home made house rule system in my game, because the system in the books is compleatly unuseable in any realistic sense.

I think they should maybe make the contacts less useful, but give you more of them, at least it makes it seem like the Shadowrunner isn't a compleate loner and social loser to start with.

How about you guys? What do you think needs work/changes/ etc... in the char. gen system?
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- mallet   The Weakest part of Char. gen?   May 30 2005, 06:53 AM
- - Nythrun   QUOTE (mallet) My girlfriend and I have been goin...   May 30 2005, 07:27 AM
- - Adam   That's why it's called "Resources...   May 30 2005, 07:39 AM
- - Mortax   Personally, I look at it this way. It's a gam...   May 30 2005, 07:59 AM
- - Crimson Jack   Yeah, I gotta agree. For a game system, it does a...   May 30 2005, 09:12 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   For me, when you ask what's the "weakest ...   May 30 2005, 09:21 AM
- - Edward   The exchange of money for contacts at char gen is ...   May 30 2005, 09:24 AM
- - Crusher Bob   The main problem I had with character creation bef...   May 30 2005, 09:38 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   To be fair, most character creation systems don...   May 30 2005, 09:43 AM
- - Crusher Bob   It might be possible to re-design the contact syst...   May 30 2005, 09:45 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Yes, I don't like most character creation syst...   May 30 2005, 09:46 AM
- - Smiley   I'm not crazy about the build point costs for ...   May 30 2005, 06:05 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (mallet) By this standard, me, a normal guy ...   May 30 2005, 06:27 PM
- - Angelone   QUOTE (Charon) QUOTE (mallet @ May 30 2005, 0...   May 30 2005, 07:18 PM
- - Aku   but i would say, MOST people you know could be use...   May 30 2005, 07:37 PM
- - psykotisk_overlegen   QUOTE Just out of curiosity, how many of these peo...   May 30 2005, 08:08 PM
- - frostPDP   For me, I think contacts should symbolize how much...   May 31 2005, 01:58 AM
- - Krazy   one thing I wonder about is who makes cyber weapon...   May 31 2005, 03:00 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I've never understood it myself. Especially i...   May 31 2005, 12:16 PM
- - Grinder   Having only 2 contacts for free is a big flaw imo....   May 31 2005, 12:18 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Well VCRs aren't exactly millitary-grade. Appa...   May 31 2005, 01:17 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   In a perfect world, there's three basic grades...   May 31 2005, 01:53 PM
- - Aku   hmm, well first of all, given grid guide, i dont g...   May 31 2005, 02:08 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, I'm not trying to "eliminate riggers ...   May 31 2005, 02:12 PM
- - Lindt   Wow, I never thought about it that way before, but...   May 31 2005, 02:14 PM
- - Aku   Doc, sorry, what i said didn't come out quite ...   May 31 2005, 03:16 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   As to the VCR being needed to drive a cab thing, I...   May 31 2005, 03:36 PM
- - Crusher Bob   I'd prefer having contacts paid out of a ...   May 31 2005, 04:00 PM
- - Aku   but would they really prevent accidents under norm...   May 31 2005, 04:02 PM
- - Crusher Bob   Well, the system would provide guidelines for what...   May 31 2005, 04:06 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Aku) but would they really prevent accident...   May 31 2005, 05:16 PM
- - Aku   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) QUOTE (Aku @ May 31 200...   May 31 2005, 06:01 PM
- - Krazy   that or people would do stupid things at twice the...   May 31 2005, 06:09 PM
- - wagnern   I don't like how the cyberware system is so pi...   May 31 2005, 06:11 PM
- - Krazy   I like it wagnern. it makes that "windfall ru...   May 31 2005, 06:17 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) For me, when you ask wh...   May 31 2005, 07:21 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Krazy) I like it wagnern. it makes that ...   May 31 2005, 07:25 PM
- - EVLTIM   Let me put this in perspective . Out of all o...   May 31 2005, 07:25 PM
- - Jrayjoker   I actually have friends like that. We have a flexi...   May 31 2005, 07:57 PM
- - wagnern   Me and my GM have been bouncing around the idea of...   May 31 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   On one hand I hate having to do all kinds of crazy...   May 31 2005, 08:35 PM
- - Aku   Personally, i think there should be packages of cy...   May 31 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Modesitt   Quick Gripes on Shadowrun Chargen - 1. The rules...   May 31 2005, 11:10 PM
- - Aardvark892   My personal problem with chargen in SR3 is the rea...   Jun 1 2005, 01:41 AM
- - Krazy   I like characters to scrounge for every nuyen. I d...   Jun 1 2005, 04:55 AM
- - Aku   Krazy, i was with you until that last example, god...   Jun 1 2005, 01:04 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Aardvark892) My personal problem with charg...   Jun 1 2005, 02:44 PM
- - Adam   QUOTE (Aku) And i just noticed, i don't see th...   Jun 1 2005, 03:21 PM
- - Aku   Thanks adam, I finally did see it a little while a...   Jun 1 2005, 03:35 PM
- - Krazy   yes the last one was a little silly, I admit. but ...   Jun 1 2005, 11:03 PM
- - ElFenrir   A little late on this, but i gotta say, I love the...   Jun 21 2005, 03:32 PM
- - mrobviousjosh   QUOTE (ElFenrir) As for the contact thing, i agree...   Jul 1 2005, 10:25 AM


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