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Thanos007
post May 30 2005, 11:52 PM
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You're asking yourself why is this thread here? Isn't there another thread just like this? No. This isn't about the rules. This is about why there has to be an SR4.

I don't think I'd be suprising any one by saying SR's sales have been way down since FASA's hay day. There are many reasons for this. Most of them have to do with changes in the RPG industry and gaming in general. I think if you look at the data over the years you will find several things that have to be done for an RPG to survive. You have to release, on a some what regular schedule, game world info books that explain some facet of the game world in greater detail. These may also include additional rule or just be fluff.

You also, from time to time, issue a new edition. This is especially nessasary if your game is suffering from rules blote. This is useful for two reasons. It allows important additional rules (like falling) that are not included in the main rule book to be moved there as well as general reorginisation. It also serves as advertising. It generates "buzz".

Show of hands. How many of you newer additions to these boards thought when FASA went under SR was dead? I know I did. I could always find it at Walden's. Then I one day I couldn't. The local game store didn't have any books and I was told FASA went out of business. Oh well. It was a good game. I bet there are a lot of people out there who still think SR is dead. Or worse. Wizkids abortion of an idea, SR duels probably didn't help SR's standing in the gaming community.

Look at what is going on this summer. There are a potential 5, Count 'em 5, source books coming out. There is a new addition. There will be novels late this year early next. Wizkids wants to make some money on this. If this latest push doesn't jump start the franchise then it's game over.

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- Thanos007   The Big Picture   May 30 2005, 11:52 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE How many of you newer additions to these boa...   May 31 2005, 12:00 AM
- - Raskolnikov   From what I saw, the Shadowrun Duels went pretty m...   May 31 2005, 12:03 AM
- - Nerbert   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) There's a difference betwee...   May 31 2005, 12:20 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Nerbert) The Shadowrun franchise is dying. ...   May 31 2005, 12:36 AM
- - Backgammon   QUOTE It takes four hours for a new person to mak...   May 31 2005, 01:08 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 30 2005, 06:20 PM) The S...   May 31 2005, 01:21 AM
- - mfb   i'm not opposed to SR4. i'm very much in f...   May 31 2005, 01:36 AM
- - Hasagwan   QUOTE (Nerbert) Even if you do get someone interes...   May 31 2005, 02:10 AM
- - Critias   I'm all for a new edition. Just not, y'kn...   May 31 2005, 02:28 AM
- - SirBedevere   QUOTE (Critias)I'm all for a new edition....   May 31 2005, 10:55 AM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 30 2005, 04:20 PM) The S...   May 31 2005, 11:11 AM
- - hobgoblin   i dont know why but i dont see cyberpunk as a dyin...   May 31 2005, 12:45 PM
- - Taki   QUOTE (Hasagwan) QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 31 2005...   May 31 2005, 01:20 PM
- - Ed Simons   QUOTE (Thanos007) If this latest push doesn't ...   May 31 2005, 03:04 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE So far, the fragmentary information about SR...   May 31 2005, 03:49 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE It takes four hours for a new person to make...   May 31 2005, 04:03 PM
- - Critias   Seriously. All of a sudden this week people are c...   May 31 2005, 05:15 PM
- - Nerbert   The only reason I brought up character creations w...   May 31 2005, 06:01 PM
- - Gambitt   I agree with you Thanos. Ive said similar things i...   May 31 2005, 06:06 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Nerbert) its necessary for the industry ...   May 31 2005, 06:23 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 31 20...   May 31 2005, 06:44 PM
- - Jrayjoker   I think it is safe to say that SR4 is not merely a...   May 31 2005, 06:50 PM
- - Nerbert   I think Thanos007 summed it all up pretty accurate...   May 31 2005, 06:55 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE You're asking yourself why is this threa...   May 31 2005, 07:25 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Thanos007) You're asking yourself why i...   May 31 2005, 07:30 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE ...but in *engraging* the customer body. Maj...   May 31 2005, 07:37 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Nerbert) The only reason I brought up chara...   May 31 2005, 07:37 PM
- - Jrayjoker   Not to stir up trouble, but what percentage of SR ...   May 31 2005, 07:39 PM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (Jrayjoker) Not to stir up trouble, but what...   May 31 2005, 08:13 PM
- - Nerbert   There's a big difference between being a ...   May 31 2005, 08:24 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE (Nerbert) There's a big difference betwe...   May 31 2005, 08:28 PM
- - Jrayjoker   There are, what, about 150 relatively active poste...   May 31 2005, 08:34 PM
- - Samoth   QUOTE (Shadow) SR4 is not a revision, it is a who...   May 31 2005, 10:10 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE (Samoth) QUOTE (Shadow @ May 31 2005, 0...   May 31 2005, 10:53 PM
- - Synner   Okay, I’m going to break my self-imposed silence o...   May 31 2005, 11:37 PM
- - Eldritch   Thanks for coming out of the cave! I duuno, ...   May 31 2005, 11:57 PM
- - Lady Anaka   First, D&D sales do not equate to the small RP...   Jun 1 2005, 12:26 AM
- - Nerbert   Synner brings up a lot of good points. But one of...   Jun 1 2005, 01:09 AM
- - Samoth   QUOTE (BitBasher) And as an added bonus, with all...   Jun 1 2005, 01:45 AM
- - Fortune   I just want the Magic system to represent the same...   Jun 1 2005, 01:49 AM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 31 2005, 05:09 PM) By ch...   Jun 1 2005, 02:04 AM
- - Nerbert   QUOTE (Shadow @ May 31 2005, 09:04 PM)QUOTE (...   Jun 1 2005, 02:32 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Nerbert @ May 31 2005, 08:32 PM) Your ...   Jun 1 2005, 02:53 AM
- - Eldritch   And just where is everyone getting these facts con...   Jun 1 2005, 02:59 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE ... and fundamentally a core mechanic that h...   Jun 1 2005, 03:01 AM
- - Hasagwan   I have to agree with Nerbert on Shadows post. A lo...   Jun 1 2005, 03:02 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ May 31 2005, 09:0...   Jun 1 2005, 03:04 AM
- - Nerbert   QUOTE (CrimsonDude 2.0)They destroyed my CP and KP...   Jun 1 2005, 03:07 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE They do because they've been critical to...   Jun 1 2005, 03:08 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   You do realize I'm still talking about CP and ...   Jun 1 2005, 03:08 AM
- - mfb   unlike crimson, i'm not a huge fan of the syst...   Jun 1 2005, 03:09 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   We both hate the rigging rules...   Jun 1 2005, 03:10 AM
- - mfb   heh. that's not much of a coincidence.   Jun 1 2005, 03:11 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Yeah, just you, me, and everyone else who plays SR...   Jun 1 2005, 03:14 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) You do realize I'm sti...   Jun 1 2005, 03:15 AM
- - mfb   doc, the devs and playtesters have all but spelled...   Jun 1 2005, 03:17 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Yes, but we don't know how it replaces it, how...   Jun 1 2005, 03:21 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) Yeah, just you, me, and ev...   Jun 1 2005, 03:25 AM
- - mfb   all i can really say is that crimson rarely posts ...   Jun 1 2005, 03:30 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0 @ M...   Jun 1 2005, 03:43 AM
- - Nerbert   I think what Crimsondude is trying to say is that ...   Jun 1 2005, 04:32 AM
- - Critias   MFB's mentioned in the past (in passing, rathe...   Jun 1 2005, 05:28 AM
- - Nerbert   Well alright then, I guess that falls under the he...   Jun 1 2005, 06:13 AM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE (Nerbert) Well alright then, I guess that fa...   Jun 1 2005, 06:21 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Eldritch @ Jun 1 2005, 12:21 AM) QUOTE...   Jun 1 2005, 06:40 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Nerbert) But I am starting to get a feel fo...   Jun 1 2005, 06:58 AM
- - Nerbert   Actually, what I was insinuating is that there...   Jun 1 2005, 07:07 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   How does that not mean individually to those of us...   Jun 1 2005, 07:20 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE ...desires are unreasonable... Yes. We are...   Jun 1 2005, 07:27 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Critias)Simply untrue.  Read who had h...   Jun 1 2005, 07:34 AM
- - Nerbert   I concede that what I meant to say was tenuous. I...   Jun 1 2005, 07:47 AM
- - frostPDP   Time for another ramble by yours truly. I'm...   Jun 1 2005, 08:01 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (mfb) unlike crimson, i'm not a huge fan...   Jun 1 2005, 09:45 AM
- - Nerbert   FrostPDP, I went through the turnaround between V:...   Jun 1 2005, 10:20 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) QUOTE (mfb @ May 31 200...   Jun 1 2005, 10:30 AM
- - Samoth   QUOTE (Nerbert) I think what Crimsondude is trying...   Jun 1 2005, 12:44 PM
- - Smed   I hope Fanpro handles the new game design better t...   Jun 1 2005, 12:52 PM
- - Jrayjoker   Hmmmm, mfb is speaking volumes in the silence he...   Jun 1 2005, 03:54 PM
- - Adam   Funny, I thought he was saying "Hey, I respec...   Jun 1 2005, 03:56 PM
- - mfb   heh. actually, i've just been asleep for the p...   Jun 1 2005, 03:55 PM
- - Critias   It's not so much "the last 12 hours,...   Jun 1 2005, 03:59 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 1 2005, 09:56 AM) Funny, I ...   Jun 1 2005, 04:08 PM
- - nezumi   Firstly, thank you for posting, Synner. This sort...   Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jun 1 2005, 10:45 AM) I'd...   Jun 1 2005, 04:54 PM
- - Gambitt   Thx for that Synner. It made perfect sense to me.   Jun 1 2005, 04:55 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE Finally, who let those FAQs get past the edi...   Jun 1 2005, 05:30 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Samoth) QUOTE (Nerbert @ Jun 1 2005, 0...   Jun 1 2005, 09:15 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) QUOTE (Samoth @ Jun 1...   Jun 1 2005, 09:56 PM
- - Shadow   Hey I am hoping for a great game, one that will kn...   Jun 1 2005, 10:05 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   I believe the word you want is "shocked....   Jun 1 2005, 10:04 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Samoth) QUOTE (Nerbert @ Jun 1 2005, 0...   Jun 1 2005, 10:39 PM
- - Thanos007   QUOTE QUOTE  Wizkids abortion of an idea, SR...   Jun 2 2005, 01:20 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Thanos007 @ Jun 1 2005, 08:20 PM) QUOT...   Jun 2 2005, 01:41 AM
- - Thanos007   HA!   Jun 2 2005, 01:42 AM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Thanos007 @ Jun 1 2...   Jun 2 2005, 01:55 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I'm mostly just going to agree with Synner. W...   Jun 2 2005, 03:16 PM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) And no one is saying that ...   Jun 2 2005, 04:03 PM
- - mfb   maybe if FP tarted up that Rob hottie, like WoD do...   Jun 2 2005, 04:08 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE I have been told by more tha one freelancer ...   Jun 2 2005, 04:08 PM
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