Aug 25 2005, 01:59 AM
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As everyone probably knows from how much I talk about it, I set a TN of 200 to make an AI for my group. Everyone's pretty happy with that number and it was nearly impossible to hit. Well, today, someone hit it. I won't mention names to protect the people associated with the idiot.
Basically, the whole thing was done in a special lab the group has. This lab originally started as an Excalibur and a Computer Design kit in the back of a van. It's since grown into a three-story facility, with the Excalibur modified so heavily it's pretty much now the size of the van that originally housed it. Yeah, we've worked on this sucker and pumped a lot of funds into it. Well, the idiot today decided to work on a frame for a set of Black Ice he was going to make. Imagine our surprise when he manages to roll a 203 on the test. The entire group, caught up in the excitement of him breaking our record of 59, cheered him on as he rolled. However, once the roll was done and the excitement over, the GM and I both, at the same time, exchanged notes suggesting for a dice check tonight. Yeah, we were suspicious. 63s don't happen often enough for a 203 to be believable. We would have called it on the spot, but the rest of the group was too excited and we decided not to ruin their fun. Anyway, the ruling was that his frame had spiralled out of control into an SK, and that we could spend the rest of the session dealing with it. The planned run was postponed. So, basically, the group got an easy night where all they did was interact with this SK, which was ruled to evolve into an AI by the end of the session due to human interaction and people treating it like a person. The session was a blast. After the game is over, we called for a dice check. All dice rolled openly 20 times. Well, I'll give you one guess as to how he accomplished that roll. If you say "weighted die", you win. The player in question has been reduced to probationary membership of the group, his character killed by a "freak lightning storm," and until he regains trust he'll only be allowed to play characters and roll dice provided by the GMs. The players are also talking of a special revenge, and I get the feeling there's going to be a lot of metagaming involved. Now, however, we're facing a choice. Do we allow the AI to stay, or nullify the entire session (including awarded karma)? With the group split on the issue (moron's vote doesn't count), it was decided to leave it up to you guys on the vote. |
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Sabosect I can't believe this! Aug 25 2005, 01:59 AM
Kagetenshi My advice: kick the player out immediately, then d... Aug 25 2005, 02:04 AM
6thDragon I've personally had and seen other players hav... Aug 25 2005, 02:19 AM
Cain I'm going to vote with Kage. Let it be a horr... Aug 25 2005, 02:44 AM
bclements An AI has got to have a:
-UV host
-SK (at least) ... Aug 25 2005, 03:06 AM
hyzmarca I am going to disagree with everyone else on the ... Aug 25 2005, 03:11 AM
tisoz I'd have it be a super S-K that calls their ma... Aug 25 2005, 03:24 AM
Sabosect I will note this: The decision on the AI and the p... Aug 25 2005, 03:25 AM
fistandantilus3.0 For the AI, I'd say let it go crazy or what no... Aug 25 2005, 03:28 AM
Kagetenshi I'm advising kicking him not just because he c... Aug 25 2005, 03:31 AM
fistandantilus3.0 Don't kick out Cheaters! Kick out stupid C... Aug 25 2005, 03:38 AM
ShadowDragon8685 Well, I don't think you can blame him. First o... Aug 25 2005, 03:55 AM
toturi So? It is the GM's fault that he managed to us... Aug 25 2005, 04:14 AM
ShadowDragon8685 I would simply ask him not to come back until the ... Aug 25 2005, 04:17 AM
Sabosect Toturi, I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on your... Aug 25 2005, 04:21 AM
Kagetenshi Nah, I have to agree that it was an absurd TN. *Di... Aug 25 2005, 04:27 AM
Sabosect Kaget, if AIs were meant to conform to normal rule... Aug 25 2005, 04:31 AM
Kagetenshi You might want to take a look at that base time ag... Aug 25 2005, 04:35 AM
ShadowDragon8685 64,000 days is what... /me gets out calculator....... Aug 25 2005, 04:39 AM
Sabosect Which, in turn, really doesn't change that you... Aug 25 2005, 04:40 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Aug 24 2005, 11:39 ... Aug 25 2005, 04:41 AM
Mr. Man Cheating is never acceptable. Cheaters should be ... Aug 25 2005, 04:45 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 24 2005, 11:40 PM) Whic... Aug 25 2005, 04:46 AM
Sabosect Kaget, the problem I see is the simple fact one st... Aug 25 2005, 04:52 AM
Sabosect QUOTE (hyzmarca) I'm sorry, I don't have a... Aug 25 2005, 04:57 AM
Kagetenshi Let's set a reasonable minimum time for ... Aug 25 2005, 04:58 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Sabosect) Kaget, the problem I see is the s... Aug 25 2005, 04:58 AM
Sabosect QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 24 2005, 11:58 PM) Le... Aug 25 2005, 05:10 AM
Kagetenshi To be honest, I hadn't really focused on that ... Aug 25 2005, 05:27 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Sabosect) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 24 2... Aug 25 2005, 05:30 AM
tisoz I just had an inspiration!
What if everything... Aug 25 2005, 05:37 AM
FrostyNSO If the player just wanted to shock you by throwing... Aug 25 2005, 05:39 AM
Tal Or stage a run where some third party learns about... Aug 25 2005, 05:42 AM
toturi QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 25 2005, 12:21 PM) Totu... Aug 25 2005, 05:56 AM
ShadowDragon8685 I like the "Cheat IRL/Cheat IC" idea, pe... Aug 25 2005, 06:09 AM
Sabosect QUOTE (hyzmarca) Complex programs never come out a... Aug 25 2005, 07:27 AM
nick012000 I'd let the AI stay. I like the death cult ide... Aug 25 2005, 07:51 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Sabosect) Anyway, as I understand the rules... Aug 25 2005, 08:19 AM
toturi QUOTE (Sabosect) QUOTE If the method for creating ... Aug 25 2005, 08:29 AM
Sabosect It would be nice if this were a light event. Look,... Aug 25 2005, 09:00 AM
Grinder Nullify the session, that's what i would do. A... Aug 25 2005, 10:08 AM
Conskill QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 25 2005, 04:00 AM) It w... Aug 25 2005, 10:18 AM
Sicarius I think the only disappointing thing is that the o... Aug 25 2005, 11:27 AM
Grinder And have them pay for their cheating fellow player... Aug 25 2005, 11:47 AM
Talia Invierno Just wanted to mention that I really like your ide... Aug 25 2005, 12:15 PM
Jrayjoker QUOTE (Sabosect) In fact, we're banned from a ... Aug 25 2005, 01:03 PM
toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) One could always interpret ... Aug 25 2005, 01:55 PM
Talia Invierno QUOTE So, are you saying you have been banned from... Aug 25 2005, 02:27 PM
Lindt QUOTE (Mr. Man) The best way to fix this situation... Aug 25 2005, 02:32 PM
Sicarius QUOTE (Grinder) And have them pay for their cheati... Aug 25 2005, 03:08 PM
Grinder I re-read your former posting: seems i misundersto... Aug 25 2005, 03:13 PM
Talia Invierno QUOTE The (now dead) PC could have just struck on ... Aug 25 2005, 03:15 PM
Cray74 QUOTE (Kagetenshi) My advice: kick the player out ... Aug 25 2005, 03:25 PM
toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Assuming it's a univers... Aug 25 2005, 04:11 PM
Talia Invierno Depends mostly on whether you play your contacts a... Aug 25 2005, 04:56 PM
Nyxll I have not played in a long time. There is no one... Aug 25 2005, 06:35 PM
Sabosect QUOTE (Jrayjoker) So, are you saying you have been... Aug 25 2005, 07:35 PM
SirBedevere The GM decided that the SK rolled for became an AI... Aug 25 2005, 07:56 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Sabosect, why not grow the heck up then? If you ge... Aug 25 2005, 08:05 PM
Sabosect ShadowDragon, why not grow up and realize that the... Aug 25 2005, 08:12 PM
Eddie Furious My $0.02.
I have not played SR since the old... Aug 25 2005, 09:40 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Eddie Furious) My $0.02.
I have not p... Aug 25 2005, 10:06 PM
toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Depends mostly on whether y... Aug 26 2005, 12:03 AM
Wounded Ronin Why even set such a high TN? Just say that the id... Aug 26 2005, 12:29 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Cray74)
After all, the cheating was caugh... Aug 26 2005, 12:33 AM
Eddie Furious QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Eddie Furious @ Aug 2... Aug 26 2005, 12:49 AM
Nyxll QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) Why even set such a high TN?... Aug 26 2005, 01:11 AM
Wounded Ronin OK, after some rumination, I figured out the ideal... Aug 26 2005, 01:20 AM
Cray74 QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)QUOTE (Cray74 @ Aug 25 2... Aug 26 2005, 11:59 AM
Chiba Cowboy If you want to continue playing with these idiots ... Aug 26 2005, 01:23 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Cray74 @ Aug 26 2005, 06:59 AM) QUOTE ... Aug 26 2005, 01:44 PM
Cray74 QUOTE (Kagetenshi)You think they would cheat despi... Aug 26 2005, 02:06 PM
Talia Invierno No comments on the screaming match, except to say ... Aug 26 2005, 02:13 PM
Sabosect Okay, the more I deal with this, the more it sound... Aug 26 2005, 03:30 PM
Kagetenshi Woah, wait. What? It may just be the pain meds, bu... Aug 26 2005, 03:39 PM
Sabosect Kage, trust me: It's less of a headache with t... Aug 26 2005, 03:46 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Sabosect, that's as may be, but I'd rather... Aug 26 2005, 04:21 PM
Herald of Verjigorm CODE
GM---------GM... Aug 26 2005, 04:30 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Nice diagram. Aug 26 2005, 04:33 PM
Kagetenshi I got that part, though. It was what exactly the G... Aug 26 2005, 04:34 PM
Sabosect Nope. Nothing important.
Now, hold on while I exa... Aug 26 2005, 04:35 PM
Herald of Verjigorm The "code" button up at the top has more... Aug 26 2005, 04:36 PM
Jrayjoker QUOTE (Sabosect) Nope. Nothing important.
Now, ho... Aug 26 2005, 04:44 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Wait wait wait, WHAT?....
*eyetwitch.*
The rigge... Aug 26 2005, 04:45 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Sabosect) What did the GM do wrong? He appr... Aug 26 2005, 04:49 PM
Sabosect And thus, the reason why the one who approved the ... Aug 26 2005, 04:49 PM
Velocity QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Are you fuckers playing S... Aug 26 2005, 04:50 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Sabosect) Nope. Nothing important.
Now, ho... Aug 26 2005, 04:50 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Hmmmmmm. What's the TN for a called shot to we... Aug 26 2005, 04:51 PM
Sabosect I dunno. Does burning him in effigy while he's... Aug 26 2005, 04:53 PM
ShadowDragon8685 I think you're all over-angsting. The player s... Aug 26 2005, 04:55 PM
blakkie QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Aug 26 2005, 10:51 ... Aug 26 2005, 04:57 PM
Wounded Ronin And to think that this all was kicked off because ... Aug 26 2005, 04:59 PM
Sabosect Pretty much, that's what we're doing. Exce... Aug 26 2005, 05:00 PM
ShadowDragon8685 I'd reccomend a sound beating with 7-foot-long... Aug 26 2005, 05:02 PM
blakkie QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) I'd reccomend a sound... Aug 26 2005, 05:05 PM
Wounded Ronin What was his damn problem, anyway? As a GM, even ... Aug 26 2005, 05:07 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Hmmmmmm. What's the T... Aug 26 2005, 05:23 PM
SFEley Huh.
I was in the process of writing up a long p... Aug 26 2005, 05:34 PM
blakkie I was wondering about that. That's some damn s... Aug 26 2005, 05:37 PM![]() ![]() |
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