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Should the AI be kept or not?
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Sabosect
post Aug 25 2005, 01:59 AM
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As everyone probably knows from how much I talk about it, I set a TN of 200 to make an AI for my group. Everyone's pretty happy with that number and it was nearly impossible to hit. Well, today, someone hit it. I won't mention names to protect the people associated with the idiot.

Basically, the whole thing was done in a special lab the group has. This lab originally started as an Excalibur and a Computer Design kit in the back of a van. It's since grown into a three-story facility, with the Excalibur modified so heavily it's pretty much now the size of the van that originally housed it. Yeah, we've worked on this sucker and pumped a lot of funds into it.

Well, the idiot today decided to work on a frame for a set of Black Ice he was going to make. Imagine our surprise when he manages to roll a 203 on the test. The entire group, caught up in the excitement of him breaking our record of 59, cheered him on as he rolled. However, once the roll was done and the excitement over, the GM and I both, at the same time, exchanged notes suggesting for a dice check tonight. Yeah, we were suspicious. 63s don't happen often enough for a 203 to be believable. We would have called it on the spot, but the rest of the group was too excited and we decided not to ruin their fun.

Anyway, the ruling was that his frame had spiralled out of control into an SK, and that we could spend the rest of the session dealing with it. The planned run was postponed. So, basically, the group got an easy night where all they did was interact with this SK, which was ruled to evolve into an AI by the end of the session due to human interaction and people treating it like a person. The session was a blast.

After the game is over, we called for a dice check. All dice rolled openly 20 times. Well, I'll give you one guess as to how he accomplished that roll. If you say "weighted die", you win. The player in question has been reduced to probationary membership of the group, his character killed by a "freak lightning storm," and until he regains trust he'll only be allowed to play characters and roll dice provided by the GMs. The players are also talking of a special revenge, and I get the feeling there's going to be a lot of metagaming involved.

Now, however, we're facing a choice. Do we allow the AI to stay, or nullify the entire session (including awarded karma)? With the group split on the issue (moron's vote doesn't count), it was decided to leave it up to you guys on the vote.
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- Sabosect   I can't believe this!   Aug 25 2005, 01:59 AM
- - Kagetenshi   My advice: kick the player out immediately, then d...   Aug 25 2005, 02:04 AM
- - 6thDragon   I've personally had and seen other players hav...   Aug 25 2005, 02:19 AM
- - Cain   I'm going to vote with Kage. Let it be a horr...   Aug 25 2005, 02:44 AM
- - bclements   An AI has got to have a: -UV host -SK (at least) ...   Aug 25 2005, 03:06 AM
- - hyzmarca   I am going to disagree with everyone else on the ...   Aug 25 2005, 03:11 AM
- - tisoz   I'd have it be a super S-K that calls their ma...   Aug 25 2005, 03:24 AM
- - Sabosect   I will note this: The decision on the AI and the p...   Aug 25 2005, 03:25 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   For the AI, I'd say let it go crazy or what no...   Aug 25 2005, 03:28 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I'm advising kicking him not just because he c...   Aug 25 2005, 03:31 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   Don't kick out Cheaters! Kick out stupid C...   Aug 25 2005, 03:38 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Well, I don't think you can blame him. First o...   Aug 25 2005, 03:55 AM
- - toturi   So? It is the GM's fault that he managed to us...   Aug 25 2005, 04:14 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I would simply ask him not to come back until the ...   Aug 25 2005, 04:17 AM
- - Sabosect   Toturi, I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on your...   Aug 25 2005, 04:21 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Nah, I have to agree that it was an absurd TN. *Di...   Aug 25 2005, 04:27 AM
- - Sabosect   Kaget, if AIs were meant to conform to normal rule...   Aug 25 2005, 04:31 AM
- - Kagetenshi   You might want to take a look at that base time ag...   Aug 25 2005, 04:35 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   64,000 days is what... /me gets out calculator.......   Aug 25 2005, 04:39 AM
- - Sabosect   Which, in turn, really doesn't change that you...   Aug 25 2005, 04:40 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Aug 24 2005, 11:39 ...   Aug 25 2005, 04:41 AM
- - Mr. Man   Cheating is never acceptable. Cheaters should be ...   Aug 25 2005, 04:45 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 24 2005, 11:40 PM) Whic...   Aug 25 2005, 04:46 AM
- - Sabosect   Kaget, the problem I see is the simple fact one st...   Aug 25 2005, 04:52 AM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (hyzmarca) I'm sorry, I don't have a...   Aug 25 2005, 04:57 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Let's set a reasonable minimum time for ...   Aug 25 2005, 04:58 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Sabosect) Kaget, the problem I see is the s...   Aug 25 2005, 04:58 AM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 24 2005, 11:58 PM) Le...   Aug 25 2005, 05:10 AM
- - Kagetenshi   To be honest, I hadn't really focused on that ...   Aug 25 2005, 05:27 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Sabosect) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 24 2...   Aug 25 2005, 05:30 AM
- - tisoz   I just had an inspiration! What if everything...   Aug 25 2005, 05:37 AM
- - FrostyNSO   If the player just wanted to shock you by throwing...   Aug 25 2005, 05:39 AM
- - Tal   Or stage a run where some third party learns about...   Aug 25 2005, 05:42 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 25 2005, 12:21 PM) Totu...   Aug 25 2005, 05:56 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I like the "Cheat IRL/Cheat IC" idea, pe...   Aug 25 2005, 06:09 AM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Complex programs never come out a...   Aug 25 2005, 07:27 AM
- - nick012000   I'd let the AI stay. I like the death cult ide...   Aug 25 2005, 07:51 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Sabosect) Anyway, as I understand the rules...   Aug 25 2005, 08:19 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Sabosect) QUOTE If the method for creating ...   Aug 25 2005, 08:29 AM
- - Sabosect   It would be nice if this were a light event. Look,...   Aug 25 2005, 09:00 AM
- - Grinder   Nullify the session, that's what i would do. A...   Aug 25 2005, 10:08 AM
- - Conskill   QUOTE (Sabosect @ Aug 25 2005, 04:00 AM) It w...   Aug 25 2005, 10:18 AM
- - Sicarius   I think the only disappointing thing is that the o...   Aug 25 2005, 11:27 AM
- - Grinder   And have them pay for their cheating fellow player...   Aug 25 2005, 11:47 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Just wanted to mention that I really like your ide...   Aug 25 2005, 12:15 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Sabosect) In fact, we're banned from a ...   Aug 25 2005, 01:03 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) One could always interpret ...   Aug 25 2005, 01:55 PM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE So, are you saying you have been banned from...   Aug 25 2005, 02:27 PM
- - Lindt   QUOTE (Mr. Man) The best way to fix this situation...   Aug 25 2005, 02:32 PM
- - Sicarius   QUOTE (Grinder) And have them pay for their cheati...   Aug 25 2005, 03:08 PM
- - Grinder   I re-read your former posting: seems i misundersto...   Aug 25 2005, 03:13 PM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE The (now dead) PC could have just struck on ...   Aug 25 2005, 03:15 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) My advice: kick the player out ...   Aug 25 2005, 03:25 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Assuming it's a univers...   Aug 25 2005, 04:11 PM
- - Talia Invierno   Depends mostly on whether you play your contacts a...   Aug 25 2005, 04:56 PM
- - Nyxll   I have not played in a long time. There is no one...   Aug 25 2005, 06:35 PM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (Jrayjoker) So, are you saying you have been...   Aug 25 2005, 07:35 PM
- - SirBedevere   The GM decided that the SK rolled for became an AI...   Aug 25 2005, 07:56 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Sabosect, why not grow the heck up then? If you ge...   Aug 25 2005, 08:05 PM
- - Sabosect   ShadowDragon, why not grow up and realize that the...   Aug 25 2005, 08:12 PM
- - Eddie Furious   My $0.02. I have not played SR since the old...   Aug 25 2005, 09:40 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Eddie Furious) My $0.02. I have not p...   Aug 25 2005, 10:06 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Depends mostly on whether y...   Aug 26 2005, 12:03 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   Why even set such a high TN? Just say that the id...   Aug 26 2005, 12:29 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Cray74) After all, the cheating was caugh...   Aug 26 2005, 12:33 AM
- - Eddie Furious   QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Eddie Furious @ Aug 2...   Aug 26 2005, 12:49 AM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) Why even set such a high TN?...   Aug 26 2005, 01:11 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   OK, after some rumination, I figured out the ideal...   Aug 26 2005, 01:20 AM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)QUOTE (Cray74 @ Aug 25 2...   Aug 26 2005, 11:59 AM
- - Chiba Cowboy   If you want to continue playing with these idiots ...   Aug 26 2005, 01:23 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Cray74 @ Aug 26 2005, 06:59 AM) QUOTE ...   Aug 26 2005, 01:44 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)You think they would cheat despi...   Aug 26 2005, 02:06 PM
- - Talia Invierno   No comments on the screaming match, except to say ...   Aug 26 2005, 02:13 PM
- - Sabosect   Okay, the more I deal with this, the more it sound...   Aug 26 2005, 03:30 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Woah, wait. What? It may just be the pain meds, bu...   Aug 26 2005, 03:39 PM
- - Sabosect   Kage, trust me: It's less of a headache with t...   Aug 26 2005, 03:46 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Sabosect, that's as may be, but I'd rather...   Aug 26 2005, 04:21 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   CODE        GM---------GM...   Aug 26 2005, 04:30 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Nice diagram.   Aug 26 2005, 04:33 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I got that part, though. It was what exactly the G...   Aug 26 2005, 04:34 PM
- - Sabosect   Nope. Nothing important. Now, hold on while I exa...   Aug 26 2005, 04:35 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   The "code" button up at the top has more...   Aug 26 2005, 04:36 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Sabosect) Nope. Nothing important. Now, ho...   Aug 26 2005, 04:44 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Wait wait wait, WHAT?.... *eyetwitch.* The rigge...   Aug 26 2005, 04:45 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Sabosect) What did the GM do wrong? He appr...   Aug 26 2005, 04:49 PM
- - Sabosect   And thus, the reason why the one who approved the ...   Aug 26 2005, 04:49 PM
- - Velocity   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Are you fuckers playing S...   Aug 26 2005, 04:50 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Sabosect) Nope. Nothing important. Now, ho...   Aug 26 2005, 04:50 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Hmmmmmm. What's the TN for a called shot to we...   Aug 26 2005, 04:51 PM
- - Sabosect   I dunno. Does burning him in effigy while he's...   Aug 26 2005, 04:53 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I think you're all over-angsting. The player s...   Aug 26 2005, 04:55 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Aug 26 2005, 10:51 ...   Aug 26 2005, 04:57 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   And to think that this all was kicked off because ...   Aug 26 2005, 04:59 PM
- - Sabosect   Pretty much, that's what we're doing. Exce...   Aug 26 2005, 05:00 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I'd reccomend a sound beating with 7-foot-long...   Aug 26 2005, 05:02 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) I'd reccomend a sound...   Aug 26 2005, 05:05 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   What was his damn problem, anyway? As a GM, even ...   Aug 26 2005, 05:07 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Hmmmmmm. What's the T...   Aug 26 2005, 05:23 PM
- - SFEley   Huh. I was in the process of writing up a long p...   Aug 26 2005, 05:34 PM
- - blakkie   I was wondering about that. That's some damn s...   Aug 26 2005, 05:37 PM
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