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Ellery
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I thought it might be useful to have a thread that points out ways to get the most out of the character creation system. If you like playing powerful characters, this is useful. If you dislike it when players have overly powerful characters, this is also useful--you may want to modify some rules or simply say someone can't do something.

Here are a few tips:

Buy Exceptional Attribute before raising a stat to 6. Exceptional Attribute costs 20bp, but you can then raise the stat to 6 for 10bp--30bp cost total, with the option to later pay 21 karma to raise the stat to 7. If you just raise the stat to 6, it costs 25bp--nearly as much and without the advancement option.

Load your mage up with bioware. For 1 essence, you can get a +1 boost to strength, agility, logic, one physical skill, and ignore stun while getting +1 to willpower and -1 to intuition (which you won't use so much anyway, as a Hermetic), all for only 75k (15bp). That's a 34bp bonus plus some nice effects for only 25bp cost (you'll have to buy an extra point of magic along with the price of the goodies). And you can still take the "sensitive system" negative quality for +15bp, since that applies only to cyberware. If you're going for Magic 5 or 6, you might want to think twice about this, but at Magic 4 you can still throw force 8 spells if you need to (which is probably as much as you can soak anyway), and you've only lost one die from your spellcasting test. Note: Synner, this answers a previous debate we had about the frequency of augmented magical characters.

For long-term characters, buy skills in character creation and attributes afterwards. During character creation, attributes cost 2.5x as much as skills. But after character creation, attributes only cost 1.5x as much as skills. So if your game plan includes a lot of skills, and you expect your character to survive for a while, buy the skills you want right away and work the attributes up later. (Kind of backwards--people normally develop attributes early in life and then spend the rest of their life developing skills, but never mind that!)

Cluster skills by attribute, and buy that attribute instead of building up the skills.We know this already, of course. For example, agility is used for no less than 16 skills (not counting exotic weapons) in unarmed and ranged combat, athletics, infiltration, and other cool stuff. If you spend the 60bp to get a skill of 1 in each of these skills, then raising agility by 1 (10bp cost) is as effective as spending another 60bp to raise all the skills by one. Very effective! 100bp will give you 6 dice to roll in 16 different skills. It's even worth taking Exceptional Attribute and hitting 7 before raising the skills separately, unless you don't care about a lot of them. Heck, with only a -1 defaulting penalty, you might not even need the skill.

Unless you're taking advantage of the attribute boost, don't buy skills at a low level. It costs very little karma to raise a skill from 0 to a low level. It costs a lot more to raise it from low to high. So raise your skills as high as you can (given the limits) during creation--that's skill 4 except for the 1 or 2 things you want to specialize in--or don't take them.

If you're not taking cyberware or bioware for some reason, get magic! It only costs 5bp to be an adept, and you get a full power point to spend (normally a 10bp value). You don't need any skills, either. Pretty cool! For an extra 5bp, get Mystic Adept and you'll have the option to cast spells later if you want to build up your magic.
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- Ellery   How to make a better...   Aug 31 2005, 11:41 AM
- - Kater   Yay! Min-maxing'R'us ... couldn't ...   Aug 31 2005, 11:46 AM
- - Ellery   Min-maxing in SR4 is so easy it's not like pos...   Aug 31 2005, 11:50 AM
- - Chiba Cowboy   Why not try thinking of a character concept and th...   Aug 31 2005, 12:05 PM
- - Oracle   Just don't try it. This is a thread for mini-m...   Aug 31 2005, 12:10 PM
- - Ellery   It can be frustrating to build a character accordi...   Aug 31 2005, 12:15 PM
- - Oracle   I didn't say anything against your way of play...   Aug 31 2005, 12:16 PM
- - Ellery   Was that supposed to be a reply to my post? It se...   Aug 31 2005, 12:23 PM
- - Spartan   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy) Why not try thinking of a cha...   Aug 31 2005, 12:24 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   QUOTE Sure - but isn“t that a little bit beside t...   Aug 31 2005, 12:31 PM
- - Oracle   QUOTE (Ellery) [...]I haven't said what my way...   Aug 31 2005, 12:31 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Ellery) Load your mage up with bioware. Fo...   Aug 31 2005, 12:35 PM
- - blakkie   Oh, and built any 400BP Mr. 24's yet? Curious ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:41 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   If you like playing "powerful" character...   Aug 31 2005, 12:47 PM
- - Ellery   That particular set of bioware is less advisable f...   Aug 31 2005, 12:47 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy) <snipped like Bob Barker...   Aug 31 2005, 12:49 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   QUOTE Oh, and there are no more trauma dampers, th...   Aug 31 2005, 12:51 PM
- - Oracle   QUOTE [...]and cast L-drain spells for free[...] ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   Roleplay more... minimax less....   Aug 31 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   QUOTE With a trauma damper not only L-drain spell...   Aug 31 2005, 12:56 PM
- - milspec   QUOTE Buy Exceptional Attribute before raising a s...   Aug 31 2005, 12:58 PM
- - phelious fogg   You can roleplay and min-max, its a normal thing t...   Aug 31 2005, 01:00 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Ellery @ Aug 31 2005, 06:47 AM) That p...   Aug 31 2005, 01:00 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   QUOTE   You can roleplay and min-max, its a ...   Aug 31 2005, 01:02 PM
- - Ellery   Chiba, if you don't care about min-maxxing, wh...   Aug 31 2005, 01:04 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (milspec) It is not the number "6...   Aug 31 2005, 01:05 PM
- - Ellery   QUOTE (milspec @ Aug 31 2005, 07:58 AM) QUOTE...   Aug 31 2005, 01:08 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   Look, minimaxing might be cool when you are twelve...   Aug 31 2005, 01:12 PM
- - milspec   Right - sorry. Mentally overlooked that you only ...   Aug 31 2005, 01:13 PM
- - Ellery   Most specific questions about what is in the book ...   Aug 31 2005, 01:20 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy) Look, minimaxing might be coo...   Aug 31 2005, 01:41 PM
- - Chiba Cowboy   Ah the inevitable homoerotic references. If there...   Aug 31 2005, 01:50 PM
- - phelious fogg   Chiba, the only thing that matters in any gaming g...   Aug 31 2005, 01:54 PM
- - Lord Ben   Bah, it's freaking SHADOWRUN. You're supp...   Aug 31 2005, 02:00 PM
- - nezumi   Chiba, while I understand your sentiments and am h...   Aug 31 2005, 02:16 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy) Ah the inevitable homoerotic ...   Aug 31 2005, 02:44 PM
- - OSUMacbeth   As to mages taking 'ware, I've never thoug...   Aug 31 2005, 03:01 PM
- - Serbitar   http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=96...   Aug 31 2005, 03:37 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Mmm, SCSI… ~J   Aug 31 2005, 03:40 PM
- - Kesh   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy) Ah the inevitable homoerotic ...   Aug 31 2005, 04:09 PM
- - Cain   Chiba, you don't seem to get it. Min/maxing i...   Aug 31 2005, 04:54 PM
- - Critias   It never ceases to amuse/amaze me, that those who ...   Aug 31 2005, 05:04 PM
- - Clyde   You can't always dictate to other people how t...   Aug 31 2005, 06:14 PM
- - nezumi   You got that right, Clyde. But that's part of...   Aug 31 2005, 06:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   In your opinion, if you are not raising a stat to ...   Aug 31 2005, 06:27 PM
- - blakkie   From a strickly karma cost for Attributes, those 2...   Aug 31 2005, 06:34 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   Chiba is just pissed he never min/maxed himself wh...   Aug 31 2005, 06:50 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If you've got points to spare you can use on Q...   Aug 31 2005, 06:57 PM
- - OSUMacbeth   Sounds kind of ridiculous to allow the taking of t...   Aug 31 2005, 07:04 PM
- - Ellery   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) In your opinion, if you are not...   Aug 31 2005, 07:05 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Ellery @ Aug 31 2005, 06:41 AM) If you...   Aug 31 2005, 08:03 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE ..because it's also in the rules that th...   Aug 31 2005, 08:12 PM
- - hahnsoo   The fact that there is specific language there may...   Aug 31 2005, 08:23 PM
- - wagnern   You know, the inexpensive 'Magician' attri...   Aug 31 2005, 08:36 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Chiba Cowboy)Why not try thinking of a char...   Aug 31 2005, 09:15 PM
- - blakkie   Oooo, i think i see an interesting change to the M...   Aug 31 2005, 09:18 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) IMHO, why spend all the time ben...   Aug 31 2005, 09:21 PM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Aug 31 2005, 04:15 PM) IMH...   Aug 31 2005, 09:26 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Moreover, if you're going to bother to have ch...   Aug 31 2005, 10:47 PM
- - Kesh   QUOTE (blakkie) Oooo, i think i see an interesting...   Aug 31 2005, 10:53 PM
- - FlakJacket   QUOTE (blakkie)Sure they have a tough time coming ...   Aug 31 2005, 10:55 PM
- - Lady Anaka   Yep.   Aug 31 2005, 11:06 PM
- - Glyph   The method that I use is to have a rough general c...   Aug 31 2005, 11:20 PM
- - Clyde   In some games the social specialists or the stealt...   Sep 1 2005, 06:17 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Making a Mr. 24 the easy way: Summon It. A Spirit...   Sep 1 2005, 07:02 PM
- - OSUMacbeth   QUOTE Moreover, if you're going to bother to h...   Sep 1 2005, 08:14 PM
- - Kremlin KOA   they made cyberlimbs WORSE?   Sep 3 2005, 11:24 AM
- - Grinder   Shit.   Sep 3 2005, 11:26 AM
- - OSUMacbeth   Well, no, I wouldn't say worse per se. Some th...   Sep 3 2005, 12:11 PM
- - morlock76   There is still the "old" problem with cy...   Sep 3 2005, 12:19 PM
- - Backgammon   I have a character creation question... the rules ...   Sep 3 2005, 10:00 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Backgammon) I have a character creation que...   Sep 3 2005, 10:10 PM
- - Backgammon   Oooh, subtle. Thanks, wouldn't have caught tha...   Sep 3 2005, 10:38 PM
- - Supercilious   Now I want to make a totally awesome fire-elementa...   Sep 3 2005, 10:49 PM


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