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At character creation, a Force 2 sustaining focus for health spells costs 6 BP: 4BP for the 20,000 :nuyen: , and another 2BP for bonding. If you were to cast Increase Reflexes into this focus, the best you could hope to achieve is the threshold(2) effect (+1 Init, +1 Init Phase). This focus could only be use on one person at a time.

For the same cost, a Force 6 (assuming a maxed-out magician) can start with a bound Force 6 Spirit of Man with 6 services due. This spirit can have 2 Innate Spells, say Increase Reflexes and Armor. At any time, the controlling magician can use a service to have the spirit cast a Force 4 Increase Reflexes on any target, with a good chance of achieving maximum results (+3 Init, +3 Init Phase). The controller can use additional services to repeat this action (or cast another innate spell), but with penalties for sustaining multiple spells obviously.

This service does not diminish the sustaining spirit as would Spell Binding, so spirits shouldn't be as reluctant to do it. Likewise, there is no limitation to the spell chosen as the innate spell, unlike Spell Binding spells (i.e., spirits can only bind spells of a specific class).
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- Spookymonster   Spirits of Man - better than sustaining focus?   Sep 4 2005, 03:02 AM
- - hahnsoo   Eventually, you'd run out of services, as the ...   Sep 4 2005, 03:42 AM
- - Spookymonster   It could be argued that the sunrise/sunset conditi...   Sep 4 2005, 02:05 PM
- - hobgoblin   but what about having a glitch or a critical glitc...   Sep 4 2005, 03:21 PM
- - Aku   could the above scenario just end the unbound ACTI...   Sep 4 2005, 03:29 PM
- - Spookymonster   QUOTE (Aku) could the above scenario just end the ...   Sep 4 2005, 11:58 PM
- - tisoz   The continual use of a power by a bound spirit is ...   Mar 7 2006, 04:34 AM
- - Dranem   And the first Astral Barrier you come across could...   Mar 7 2006, 08:47 AM
- - Shrike30   This method of sustaining spells is plausible, yes...   Mar 7 2006, 09:18 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE summoning a force 10 spirit and keeping it w...   Mar 7 2006, 11:22 AM
- - Brahm   This subject was covered within the last month. F...   Mar 7 2006, 02:51 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (Brahm)Seemed to me a very dubious reading o...   Mar 7 2006, 03:01 PM
- - Brahm   Fair enough TinkerGnome, I'll drop the very. ...   Mar 7 2006, 03:05 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (Spookymonster) This spirit can have 2 Innat...   Mar 7 2006, 03:15 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Azralon @ Mar 7 2006, 09:15 AM)QUOTE (...   Mar 7 2006, 06:13 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Actually, that was a totally dubious ruling, in th...   Mar 7 2006, 06:35 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 01:13 PM) So take ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:58 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 01:13 PM) QUOTE (B...   Mar 7 2006, 07:09 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   If you're really worried about a spirit of man...   Mar 7 2006, 07:54 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (tisoz) QUOTE (Azralon @ Mar 7 2006, 09...   Mar 7 2006, 07:59 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   I think he basically just gave it the optional pow...   Mar 7 2006, 08:02 PM
- - Azralon   Oh, and if you want to use spirits instead of sust...   Mar 7 2006, 08:09 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) I think he basically j...   Mar 7 2006, 08:12 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Well, with the exception of Innate Spell, are ther...   Mar 7 2006, 08:25 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Mar 7 2006, 12:35 PM) ...   Mar 7 2006, 09:00 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) Well, with the excepti...   Mar 7 2006, 09:00 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 04:00 PM) QUOTE Po...   Mar 7 2006, 09:14 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm @ Mar 7 2006, 01:09 PM) QUOTE (t...   Mar 7 2006, 09:19 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 04:19 PM) I saw th...   Mar 7 2006, 09:22 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) If you're really w...   Mar 7 2006, 09:23 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Shrike30) I see where you're going with...   Mar 7 2006, 09:25 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm) QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 04:0...   Mar 7 2006, 09:32 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Well, yes...I admit it's pretty shaky - for in...   Mar 7 2006, 09:37 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm) QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 04:1...   Mar 7 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 04:32 PM) I am rea...   Mar 7 2006, 09:49 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Shrike30) I see where you're going with...   Mar 7 2006, 09:53 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Most powers are continual-use powers. Most spells...   Mar 7 2006, 10:11 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Unless you're saying that a spirit would...   Mar 7 2006, 10:20 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm) It most certainly could be qualifyin...   Mar 7 2006, 10:21 PM
- - Shrike30   EDIT: Yep, that's why I should refresh before ...   Mar 7 2006, 10:49 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (tisoz) I guess the summoner needs to specif...   Mar 7 2006, 10:53 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Uh...Frank...we don't really disagree here... ...   Mar 7 2006, 10:56 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 05:21 PM) QUOTE (B...   Mar 8 2006, 12:18 AM
- - Dissonance   Hm. I'm taking this point to wonder whether o...   Mar 8 2006, 12:27 AM
- - Shrike30   The explanation of what a loyalty 6 contact would ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:30 AM
- - Dissonance   Aya. I figure that you just wouldn't metaphys...   Mar 8 2006, 12:41 AM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Dissonance) Aya. I figure that you just wo...   Mar 8 2006, 12:46 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm)No. The category the spirit is associ...   Mar 8 2006, 03:41 AM
- - emo samurai   QUOTE I will say that some of my ways of saying it...   Mar 8 2006, 03:44 AM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (tisoz @ Mar 7 2006, 10:41 PM) It also ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:55 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Brahm @ Mar 8 2006, 12:55 AM)QUOTE I...   Mar 8 2006, 01:45 PM


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