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I'm GMing my first Shadowrun adventure for new players, and one of them has conjuring skill group at 4 (she's very similar to the occult investigator sample character from the corebook), so I can assume spirits will be a part of the game. I don't expect to include many magical opponents in the adventure so my question is: how powerful spirits really are, assuming they are force 3 or max 4 vs standard grunt opponents.

The rulebook makes it look like they are very powerful against normal weapons, which is my main concern.

I don't want this adventure to look like: encounter 10 hostile gang members. summon spirit. command: destroy the guys. 5 combat turns pass: entire gang dead. The rest of the team goes for a smoke.
But on the other hand I don't want to include a magician with each and every oponent as it won't be very realistic...

Are spirits really that powerful? Would a group 3-5 standard heavy-pistol-armed grunts stand a chance of defeating one without magic and without dying in the process?

And the main question: spirits have many powers. If a player has e.g. one service from the spirit, could that service be: kill those 10 guys, and then the spirit uses engulf, exotic weapon, confusion, accident and any other powers as many times as necessary to kill 10 guys? Or is it: one service = engulf this one guy in fire, end of service?
Because the first way seems really powerful while the second option sounds rather limited.

And summoning a spirit of 3-4 force seems like a rather easy and painless job, it only requires one complex action and force 4 spirit has low chances of getting 2 hits, which means usually the player will have to resist like 2-4 drain max from one summoning. Force 3 spirit will almost always have 1 or 0 hits on the test.

How would you play spirit combat?
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- shon   spirit services question   Oct 27 2010, 11:52 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (shon @ Oct 27 2010, 01:52 PM) Are ...   Oct 27 2010, 12:48 PM
- - shon   This is a great response, thanks! Now I unders...   Oct 27 2010, 01:02 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Just don't assume that gangers are a dangerous...   Oct 27 2010, 01:16 PM
- - shon   Thanks Dakka, great suggestions. So far I have bee...   Oct 27 2010, 01:20 PM
- - Apathy   Welcome to Shadowrun and to Dumpshock! Here ar...   Oct 27 2010, 04:48 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   I wouldn't bother with watchers. While they ar...   Oct 27 2010, 05:06 PM
|- - Apathy   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Oct 27 2010, 12:06 P...   Oct 27 2010, 06:44 PM
- - Neurosis   QUOTE Shotguns or SnS ammo would be much better. ...   Oct 27 2010, 06:15 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Yup, I meant shotguns firing slugs.   Oct 27 2010, 06:18 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Shotguns always fire slugs by default.   Oct 27 2010, 06:27 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   It's kinda counterintuitive though. But I gues...   Oct 27 2010, 06:29 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I agree. But it's The Future, and everyone ha...   Oct 27 2010, 06:35 PM
- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (shon @ Oct 27 2010, 07:52 AM) I do...   Oct 27 2010, 06:39 PM
|- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Oct 27 2010, 07:39 ...   Oct 28 2010, 04:45 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Sephiroth @ Oct 28 2010, 06:45 PM)...   Oct 28 2010, 04:53 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sephiroth @ Oct 28 2010, 10:45 AM)...   Oct 29 2010, 03:21 AM
- - Makki   QUOTE (shon @ Oct 27 2010, 01:52 PM) And ...   Oct 28 2010, 08:03 AM
- - Yerameyahu   'Kill everyone' can easily cost much more ...   Oct 29 2010, 03:22 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 28 2010, 09:22 PM...   Oct 29 2010, 03:29 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 29 2010, 05:22 AM...   Oct 29 2010, 05:02 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Oct 29 2010, 01:02 A...   Oct 29 2010, 05:17 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Like I said, depending on the mood of the spirit a...   Oct 29 2010, 05:12 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   The line I quoted above does not make an "enc...   Oct 29 2010, 05:21 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Oct 29 2010, 12:21 A...   Oct 29 2010, 07:06 PM
- - Critias   If you're primarily concerned about "Kill...   Oct 29 2010, 05:23 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Spirits are certainly capable of not brilliantly u...   Oct 29 2010, 05:29 AM
- - shon   Those are some great suggestions, you're right...   Oct 29 2010, 06:54 PM


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