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Kerenshara
post Mar 3 2011, 04:39 AM
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In SR4X, and especially 4A, there is a big discrepancy between “progression” for Awakened characters and the Sammies and their brethren. The Karma for Cash rule helps right this to some extent, but being a Mage isn’t really cheap, either. We saw in a recent campaign that, short of just piling dice pools up to the heavens, the Sammy winds up going into other things because they can’t rationalize buying that 6th level in Firearms.

The issue is, having know a few snipers, short of the actual trigger pulling, sniping is a skill set all to itself. It’s precise and methodical. When you’re good enough, a lot of it becomes automatic, and the right tools help tremendously. But essentially what it all boils down to is negating the difficulties (read: DP Penalties) associated with range-to-target and / or target movement.

So, here’s my idea:

Offer a custom skill called “Sniping”. It’s a Combat Active Skill not in any group. It’s tied to Logic (take THAT Mr. “I don’t need a brain to geek drek” Sammy!), can NOT be used untrained and benefits from an Encephalon and a Math Coprocessor like a Hacking skill. Specializations would include “Cold Bore” (First shot), “Rapid Re-engagement” (Follow-up shots), “Rapid Preparation” (read: quickly control breathing after running) and “Precision Targeting” (Bypassing cover, armor, etc). The entire point of the skill is that when attempting a shot beyond close range, as part of the “Take Aim” action make a Sniping roll. Any successes are applied against the negative modifiers at the target’s end of the shot. You need not be stationary, buy you can not be in motion yourself (you can snipe from a moving vehicle if you’re stationary within the vehicle). All penalties which would normally affect a shot from the shooter’s perspective (lighting, self motion, wound penalties and so forth) apply to the Sniping roll.

The maximum number of hits on the roll is capped at Skill x2. The result of the roll replaces the usual +1 for Take Aim, but the sniper can choose to keep aiming. They also may take a consecutive total of 3 + Hits “Take Aim” actions, Max = 3 + Sniping Skill.

This way, you can have somebody who really is JUST a sniper and excels at it without having to be Annie Oakley. After all, if you negate YOUR penalties, are highly skilled in Sniping, and can negate the target side penalties, all you’re doing is squeezing that trigger nice and soft. Plus, if they're Aiming all the time, they're not taking double shots constantly, right? If they're using SS weapons, moreso.

Oh, spotters: Another person who has the same LOS and Sniping skill can assist, making their own roll and contributing their net hits to the trigger-puller’s Sniping roll subject to all the same rules. Maximum one person helping.

Thoughts?

-Kerenshara
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- Kerenshara   Sniping Skill   Mar 3 2011, 04:39 AM
- - Critias   Sounds like an unnecessary complication to me, but...   Mar 3 2011, 04:55 AM
- - Kerenshara   We had a really decent player who felt their ex-mi...   Mar 3 2011, 05:00 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   Game design: A game should be as realistic (read: ...   Mar 3 2011, 05:08 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Mar 3 2011, 12:08 ...   Mar 3 2011, 05:24 AM
- - DMiller   I agree a little with Critias. It does seem to ove...   Mar 3 2011, 05:24 AM
- - DMiller   Hmm, after reading you latest post Kerenshara, I t...   Mar 3 2011, 05:35 AM
- - Whipstitch   Might want to consider that at least as far as mak...   Mar 3 2011, 05:42 AM
- - Glyph   My personal opinion is that sniping does NOT need ...   Mar 3 2011, 05:46 AM
- - Kerenshara   Not underplaying the secondary skills at all. I...   Mar 3 2011, 06:07 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Mar 3 2011, 01:07 AM)...   Mar 3 2011, 09:38 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 3 2011, 04:38 P...   Apr 1 2011, 05:04 AM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Apr 1 2011, 12:04 AM)...   Apr 1 2011, 07:05 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Apr 1 2011, 12:04 AM)...   Apr 1 2011, 08:09 PM
|- - Nath   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 1 2011, 10:09 PM) Wh...   Apr 1 2011, 09:10 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Nath @ Apr 1 2011, 04:10 PM) It sh...   Apr 1 2011, 09:27 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 1 2011, 03:27 PM) Th...   Apr 1 2011, 10:36 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 1 2011, 05...   Apr 2 2011, 10:48 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 2 2011, 04:48 AM) Of...   Apr 2 2011, 06:21 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   This is outside the realm of Combat Skills anyway....   Mar 3 2011, 06:25 AM
- - Epicedion   SR4 does have the issue of making certain things t...   Mar 3 2011, 06:30 AM
- - CanRay   Maybe not a Sniper skill, that would be Longarms, ...   Mar 3 2011, 06:36 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   ^ That's covered by the Teamwork rules.   Mar 3 2011, 06:43 AM
- - CanRay   There we go, no wonder I had no idea about it, my ...   Mar 3 2011, 06:45 AM
- - Mardrax   What do you think about just allowing a Teamwork t...   Mar 3 2011, 07:29 AM
- - CanRay   Well, when you consider what Snipers do IRL...   Mar 3 2011, 07:30 AM
- - Epicedion   You could always remind people how boring being a ...   Mar 3 2011, 10:05 AM
- - braincraft   It sounds like your issue isn't that sniping i...   Mar 3 2011, 10:16 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (braincraft @ Mar 3 2011, 05:16 AM)...   Mar 3 2011, 12:19 PM
- - Makki   many times I read about changing the firearms skil...   Mar 3 2011, 01:33 PM
- - Cheops   If it hasn't already been mentioned I have fou...   Mar 3 2011, 03:48 PM
- - sabs   My problem with sniping really is the Agility stat...   Mar 3 2011, 03:50 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (sabs @ Mar 3 2011, 11:50 AM) My pr...   Mar 3 2011, 04:30 PM
|- - capt.pantsless   QUOTE (sabs @ Mar 3 2011, 09:50 AM) My pr...   Mar 3 2011, 04:43 PM
|- - Inncubi   QUOTE (capt.pantsless @ Mar 3 2011, 11:43...   Mar 3 2011, 04:50 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (capt.pantsless @ Mar 3 2011, 12:43...   Mar 3 2011, 05:03 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 01:03 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 06:44 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 02:44 PM) Mag...   Mar 3 2011, 07:09 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 12:09 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 07:09 PM
- - Makki   make it willpower   Mar 3 2011, 04:25 PM
- - sabs   I have actually   Mar 3 2011, 04:26 PM
- - sabs   so really the problem is that Agility is just too ...   Mar 3 2011, 04:32 PM
- - CanRay   Depends on the sniping position and situation. I...   Mar 3 2011, 04:38 PM
- - sunnyside   Alright, it sounds like you may not be addressing ...   Mar 3 2011, 05:03 PM
- - Fortinbras   Mirrors and stuff, yeah, but anything else technol...   Mar 3 2011, 07:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 12:12 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 07:15 PM
- - CanRay   Pure optics work. Just ground glass and such. Ch...   Mar 3 2011, 07:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 12:17 PM) Pur...   Mar 3 2011, 07:22 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 3 2011, 03...   Mar 3 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 12:30 PM) I j...   Mar 3 2011, 07:32 PM
- - Fortinbras   That's a little vague, because then you have t...   Mar 3 2011, 07:22 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 12:22 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 07:25 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 3 2011, 02...   Mar 3 2011, 08:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Mar 3 2011, 01:13 P...   Mar 3 2011, 09:09 PM
- - Fortinbras   Given that, any sniping at all or any attempt to ...   Mar 3 2011, 07:34 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 12:34 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 07:38 PM
- - Fortinbras   Not against that mage with binoculars, it doesn...   Mar 3 2011, 07:55 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   But wouldn't the barrier that is the tank, pre...   Mar 3 2011, 09:24 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Mar 3 2011, 05...   Mar 3 2011, 09:54 PM
||- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 01:54 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 09:56 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Mar 3 2011, 02...   Mar 3 2011, 09:58 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 3 2011, 09...   Mar 3 2011, 10:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ Mar 3 2011, 03:02 PM) See I...   Mar 3 2011, 10:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I only read the very beginning of this thread, but...   Mar 3 2011, 09:40 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 3 2011, 02:40 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 10:07 PM
- - sabs   Actually by strict understanding of the rules.. th...   Mar 3 2011, 09:56 PM
- - Inncubi   I think its about particular spell description, di...   Mar 3 2011, 10:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   The Mage Sight/fireball problem only shows that yo...   Mar 3 2011, 10:30 PM
- - CanRay   So, in essence (Without the cost of essence) a Mag...   Mar 3 2011, 11:12 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 03:12 PM) So,...   Mar 3 2011, 11:26 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 3 2011, 07:26...   Mar 3 2011, 11:43 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 3 2011, 04:26...   Mar 4 2011, 02:23 AM
- - X-Kalibur   Not a single bite on the Tenacious D line? Oh fine...   Mar 4 2011, 02:25 AM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 01:44 PM) I a...   Mar 4 2011, 02:26 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 3 2011, 10:25...   Mar 4 2011, 02:34 AM
- - Mardrax   Actually indirect combat spells with a set of bino...   Mar 4 2011, 03:27 AM
- - Fortinbras   How are the binoculars not "between the caste...   Mar 4 2011, 03:29 AM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 3 2011, 10:29 PM)...   Mar 4 2011, 05:19 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Mar 4 2011, 01:19 A...   Mar 4 2011, 06:09 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 3 2011, 11:09 PM) Tha...   Mar 4 2011, 01:52 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, 'optical' optics for magic are total...   Mar 4 2011, 03:31 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes, but the optics can negate all range penalties...   Apr 1 2011, 09:15 PM
- - Whipstitch   And as I pointed out back on page one, what isn...   Apr 2 2011, 02:54 AM
- - Kerenshara   Just one note: Sniping Skill only negates penalti...   Apr 2 2011, 04:45 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Apr 2 2011, 11:45 AM)...   Apr 2 2011, 08:30 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Apr 2 2011, 03:30 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 01:08 AM
|- - Whipstitch   Unless you've got an emotitoy. They help read ...   Apr 3 2011, 04:05 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Apr 2 2011, 11:05 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 05:21 AM
- - CanRay   There's also the "Human Factor". Co...   Apr 3 2011, 01:38 AM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, I don't see much wrong with an Option B ...   Apr 3 2011, 04:08 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Apr 3 2011, 11:08 AM)...   Apr 3 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Whipstitch   I assumed there were some, but without that contex...   Apr 3 2011, 06:01 PM
- - CanRay   Actually, one thing I like about the video game Ho...   Apr 3 2011, 07:59 PM
- - longbowrocks   In reference to the subheader of this topic: Short...   Apr 4 2011, 06:13 AM


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